Moscow

[Uke Boy]

Yeah, learn Russian.

[Strike 69]

Guys I cannot get the website of mamba translated from Russian into English using google or altavista, any suggestions?

[Shelbysbaker]

i'm not advocating anything. everyone should make their own decisions. the riskiest thing you could probably do is have unprotected receptive anal sex with a male homosexual street prostitute who has track marks from iv drug use. the safest thing you can do is become a monk and join a monastery... on second thought, maybe it isn't (especially if you're a little boy:-)). most of in the forum find ourselves somewhere between these two extremes.

i think that doctor_skank put it most succinctly (look down a couple of posts):

all i can say about the subject is play as safe as you see fit and get yourself checked regularly.

regarding mixphoto: i'm not affiliated with mixphoto in any way. i'm just a satisfied customer who is reporting on his experiences. it's up to you to decide if it's safer (or less safe) than anything else you might be doing.

and if you can find ample girls "on the next corner" who will come into a studio setting and pose for pictures they swap cum with their girlfriends, suck my creampie out of their girlfriend's pussy, get gangbanged by 4 guys, [CodeWord134] in a bathtub, shave their pussy, or stick a vibrator in their ass while i creampie them, then by all means, please tell me which street corner. that's what the forum is all about: free exchange of information.

so, shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? well... maybe. but, when i was a child out in hillbilly country, denmark my old gran used to tell me:"talk is cheap." i'm not tempted by this site mixphoto and, frankly, i think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.

[Priamos]

If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.

So, Shelby, we should all insulate ourselves from this awsome risk by sticking to the online services that you recommend? Well... maybe. But, when I was a child out in hillbilly country, Denmark my old gran used to tell me:"Talk is cheap." I'm not tempted by this site Mixphoto and, frankly, I think it's a trap site to make foreigners overpay for what they could have had down on the next corner.

[Doctor_Skank]

Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?

Tochkas exist everywhere in some form AFAIK. In any case, it seems that local mamachkas can drum up a few girls to stand in line and choose from whether you are in Ryazan or Pskov. Finding these mamachkas is another challenge entirely, but that is another story.

Tochka is also a relative term, a bunch of girls lined up along side the highway giving blowjobs for $20 or quick sex in the car/truck for $70 aren't the same as Moscow's tochka girls whose prices can reach low end Night Flight level ($300-500) and are for the night. One man's tochka is another man's 3 girls standing infront of a Toyota Hiace at 2 am outside the train station in Novosibirsk. I also haven't tochka'ed in a long time, not because of risk per se but more because of cost. P4P is less and less a part of my mongering, especially in Moscow.

Risks? There is always risk in sex. The girl you pick up at Hot Dog or the freebie you pick up at Opera could also have AIDS, herpes, syphillis, gonorrhea. Broken condom can happen of course and has happened to me on a few occasions. I remember every incident vividly as they were dramatic in one way or another. I switched brands and hasn't happened since, but that is also another story.

I think as a monger/man-wh0re every individual has to judge risks for themselves.

Bareback sex with freebies/girlfriends?
Bareback sex with pros?
BBBJ with freebies/girlfriends?
BBBJ with pros?
Sex with multiple partners?

I've actually gotten more cautious with age, but anybody out there doing a lot of fucking puts himself in a higher risk category than those who are only occasionally having sex. I think that is fair to say and something mongers accept as part of the entertainment package.

All I can say about the subject is play as safe as you see fit and get yourself checked regularly.

[Pizdyets]

Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?

Hmm, from a quick scan on sextalk, it appears you're correct. Now I know why my colleagues in Piter always invited me to banya and not tochka! Not that tochkas are usually my cup of tea even in Moscow...

[Shelbysbaker]

Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - especially in Piter.

Maybe this question is more suited to the St. Petersburg forum. But I heard that tochkas were unique to Moscow, and that they didn't exist in Piter. (At least not the kind where the parade of girls stands in front of the headlights.) Is that true?

[Pizdyets]

Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.

Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.

Condoms occassionally break...

Definitely makes me think twice about hitting a tochka - especially in Piter.

[Doctor_Skank]

If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.

The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.

Ouch, pretty scary stats even if I am not a firm believer in statistics, they do indicate a general trend. Nonetheless, why would anybody screw a street ho bareback in the first place? There is a degree of risk in any sex, but there are some risks just too extreme to be taken.

Even scarier than the prostitute statistic is the fact that official numbers put 10% of Russia's HIV positive in St.Petersburg.

[AColonizer]

Doctor Skank,

It seems we had a similar life experience with a street walker, but our opinions are pretty different:

- Until one year ago, non-UE prostitutes could work on roads only, because an hypocritical Italian law leaves all prostitution to criminal organizations. Therefore street walkers in Italy were the only real choice. We could find any kind of girls, young or old, beautiful or ugly, lovely or unpolite, passioned or mechanical, vaginal fuck or extreme sex, cheap or expensive. About prices, prices are often connected to girl's mood and pimp's management. I can't explain everything here, but there is no direct connection between price and quality of sex: cheap price doesn't mean bad sex and expensive price doesn't mean good sex!

Moreover, the other prostitutes, working in flats, are almost all frauds because very expensive prices for unprofessional mechanical sex.

- Yes, I am afraid about the decision of my former friend to become an hardcore prostitute at 13 years old (this is horrible! ), but I see with my eyes, she has a dangerous work but she enjoys her adventurous life better than my regular life. Yes, she lives only for money and the good girl was dead 8 years ago:.(In my experience, there was no violence by pimps, there was girl' greed only!

[Shelbysbaker]

If you read the following document, it will keep you away from Russian street prostitutes forever: http://www.popline.org/docs/193315 .
According to this, 48% of street prostitutes in St. Petersburg are HIV positive (and 96% of the HIV+ prostitutes are IV drug users). In Moscow, 15% of the street prostitutes are HIV+.

The statistics in Moscow are like Russian roulette with one bullet in the gun. The statistics in St. Petersburg are like playing with three bullets in a six-shooter.

Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.

Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.

Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.

Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.

Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.

BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.

[Doctor_Skank]

Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!

Who knows, although I think that it is obvious that the rougher the ho is in terms of lifestyle (drugs, coercion etc.) the more likely it is she will voluntarily participate in unprotected sex and be forced to do it. In any case, in terms of vaginal sex I wouldn't take any chances.

Now BBBJ... that's hard to resist. Still wouldn't do it with a street ho that blows truckdrivers for 300 rubles though.

Generally speaking though, I think price levels are independent of protected vs. non-protected. By that logic, non-protected would be MORE expensive, as many mongers want it and are willing to pay it. In reality though, the more expensive pros are more likely to demand CBJ and certainly wish to avoid BB (bareback) sex.

Also, high traffic (salons, brothels etc.) seem to insist more on CBJ, at least at the mid to high level.

Street hos, no matter which country they are in, are the lowest end of the totem pole. They are, and I mean no offense to them directly especially considering the fact that many aren't working the streets voluntarily, the trash of the prostitution industry. I shudder to think about their lives, even though I have screwed a lot of tochka hos back in the day. I chose not to think too much about their lives, even though I did once have a semi-relationship with one for a short while. It proved to be impossible. Hope she is OK, but I am quite certain any innocence in her was robbed by the life she led.

BBBJ... interestingly enough, contrary to supposedly "lawless Russia", very high traffic brothels in hyper-regulated Germany (FKK) are virtually ALL with BBBJ as standard service, and some of the women there have been in the business for 10 years or more.

[Stravinsky]

Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!

Seems to me protected sex is a reasonable precaution to keep oneself from dying a slow, withering death.

Just a thought.

[AColonizer]

Thanks for reply!

This is a big enigma. Until one year ago, all Ukrainian and Russian road prostitutes in Italy had made swallow blowjobs on request, maybe they didn't made them with bad mood, but in general Ukrainian and Hungarian prostitutes mean swallow blowjobs for 20/30/50 euros. Therefore I thought "I shall go to Ukraine and Russia, the countries of masters in swallow blowjobs", instead. In Kiev it is very hard to find good sex providers. In Moscow I read more opportunities but I am afraid Russians lie much more than Ukrainians. In Kiev the first prostitute I met was also the better (she gave me more than I expected) and I remember her profile management in Internet was identical to Moscow profile management in Internet. Ukraine and Russia are border countries but their people seem to come from two different worlds!

Moreover, I had an experience with a hardcore Ukrainian young prostitute (but with some Russian/Siberian/Tartar blood), she started prostitution at 13 years old at salons in Kharkov and she was used to do EVERYTHING, also without condom. Therefore I am very doubtful about protected sex: protected or unprotected sex is just a lie to keep prices high!

If you are talking about Moscow, lately most of the pros I have been contacted by or contacted on Mamba are working in salons, at least all of the afforadably priced ones.

Whether or not they do swallow blowjobs is ultimately up to them, but generally most salons ask their girls to do CBJ, so I wouldn't count on the salon always having a girl who looks like the picture and also wouldn't count on them always telling the truth.

Best resource to check is www.sextalk.ru

Of of dosug.nu, you can get in direct contact with the real girl (and pictures geneally real). Perhaps you can get a more accurate picture there.

In terms of freebies met on Mamba, I've NEVER met a girl who didn't look like her picture. Often they look better than their pictures.

[Stravinsky]

Pizdyets,

You're on! I'll get her phone number. LOL