Moscow

[Doctor_Skank]

The second hour payment plan is usually paid by the pint of blood, right?

On the subject of no payment, a couple of CF pros reported to me about guys not paying at all or not having enough money to pay, especially drunk Russians. In those cases the pro was SOL (shit out of luck) and ended up with nothing. The gist of the complaints was that I should pay ahead of time, because she had to be sure I had money.... so maybe they were just "sob stories" made up to induce early payment, but the stories sounded legit and were probably true. In my case I paid half up front and half later.

One pro reported banging an American business guy all night and then he kicked her out of the SwissOtel in the morning with no payment and told her to complain to the cops if she had a problem. She didnt really have any choice but to leave, as she figured making a huge scene screaming bloody murder would have gotten her kicked out of the hotel by security and she wouldnt end up with any money anyway. Wonder how often that happens?

[Pat Reno]

Doc, Sounds Like you have a great thing going with the Militia Daughters of Moscow. Nothing makes you more respectable looking then being called a Good Boy by the Momma/Babushka.

The quickest way to scare a pro besides saying zhopi and siski is to get her to agree to a second hour and then tell her that your out of money and can she put it on your tab. My friend did this in a small hotel in Votkinsk and they actually went though his suitcases
to find something to pay for his second hour with the girl.
Pat

[Doctor_Skank]

The Perm story is pretty spooky... but trust me, I didn’t stay in the Moscow oblast apartment longer than I had to. I actually met the girl’s mother once too, and was rip-roaring drunk at the time. Only good thing I had going for me was that I was extremely polite and that the gf’s grandmother thought I was good-looking, which I guess means I look like Stalin in riding pants or something.

In any case, she officially has permission to stay over at her “girlfriends house” when I am in town… in actuality mom and grandma have officially allowed her to get thoroughly rodded by a thirtysomething doctor of the skanky arts.

As for sudden innocence, even hos will sometimes object when too obscene language is used. I mean, these girls lick out guy’s assholes and I cant say “zhopa” and “siski”?

Sounds like you have a good gig with the Alyonas and Sashas of the world… I think I need to hang out around the uni more often, but I suppose I’d look terribly predatory with my "ISG sexual terror squad" t-shirt on…

[Pat Reno]

Doc:

I agree 100% with you it's amazing with as much groping and experimenting they do in the corridors of the schools how innocent and coy they can be at 18/19 even after starting University. I remember a University girl named Alyona, beautiful blonde, who interviewed for a part time job with us and she sat with her legs apart and wearing white pantyhose and sheer panties. I thought, she has to know she is driving me crazy, she must want the job bad, and then a week later she's with me in a bookstore and I ask her to translate the back of the book cover for me and she stops half way though and says with a little girl voice whisper, " It's about something dirty between a man and a woman." It was a book of poems by the way, not erotica. On the other extreme was Sasha same class as Alyona, same year, I think different section though, I woke up to find her going through the trash and rubbing the condom inside out on her Koshka! She wasn't coy about what she wanted.

That's a great story about the Militia daughter. I'm not sure I would have stuck around. My next door neighbor in Perm is a General in the Road Police and he made some kid who was necking with his daughter strip down to nothing and through him outside in the snow. I never saw any white man run that fast. Pat

[Doctor_Skank]

PR:

Yeah, the photo albums are a must. Sitting down on the aged upholstered couch drinking tea or vodka, of course. And the house should smell like a volatile mixture of boiled cabbage and dust for the full effect...

The obligatory bikini shot seems to be some sort of federal law too, because they all have it. Another trend I have noticed is that most have pictures of them kissing their other girlfriends when they are in their teens... like they are practising or something... or pictures in their pyjamas and lingerie taken during impromptu modeling sessions from their teens.

Despite all this apparent sexual experimentation at early ages, it is surprising how many girls are still quite sexually inexperienced at 18 or 19.

The militia colonel in any town is a good guy to know... especially if he has daughters to be your bodyguards...

An angry militia father is a bad guy to know. Now that I am reminiscing, I remember sitting together alone with my new barely 18-yr old gf in a Moscow oblast 12th floor apartment browsing through just such a photo album admiring my new girlfriend's half-naked pictures of her friends when she non-chalantly cooly commented "I hope my father doesnt come home now, he hates Americans and will kill you." Even as I gulped down a muted laugh I saw the militia hat hanging in the corner of the room next to some plaque... she continued turning pages, making a typical russkaya comment.

"This is my friend Masha. She is very beautiful. Is she more beautiful than me?" Hint hint.

No Ksusha, she isnt. But maybe her dad doesnt carry a pistol and a badge...

[Pat Reno]

Doc:

I love when I go to Moscow because of all the choices and top level girls, in the regions it's a lot of adventure and sweet girls too. Hard to decide which is better, but I wish I spent more time in Moscow. Russian's definitely like sharing photos, I go to Russian homes for business dinners a whole lot, and they always sit down on the coach and bring out all of the photo albums. And they always have the mandatory bikini shot and short robe in the morning shot of the mother/daughter(s). I have dinner with a Militia Colonel and his family maybe four times a year and he shows me the same photos everytime as if it was the first time, luckily he has two daughters to keep me entertained. After reading your posts all this time I was ready to vote for you, but with a photo like that you probably will have to run in Las Vegas. I remember during Yeltsin that Justice Minister that got caught in bed with the two 17 year old WG's and had the photo splattered all over the place. Pat

[Doctor_Skank]

PR:

I envy you for your regional travels, must be pretty interesting to see all aspects of Russian life. Dacha/holiday season does take its toll on city nightlife though, even in a place like Moscow.

Maybe Russians have a photo fetish like the Japanese? I remember a funny situation at CF when I was talking to a very cute CF pro named Nadia and a somewhat suspicious Russian guy starting taking dozens of pictures of us, asking us to pose together etc., which we did. He then abruptly left. The girl then turned to me and said "your friend is very strange, why did he want to take our picture?". I then said, "my friend, I thought he was your friend!".

Never saw him again, but he must have about 30 pictures of me with a beer in hand and a platinum blonde, pink-lipsticked ho hanging all over me. So much for my budding political career...

[Pat Reno]

Pat Reno:

Thanks for the list of beaches! Moscow can actually slow down club-wise in the summer, so having some beach areas to check out gives us more girl-watching and girl-chasing opportunities, especially during the day! Thanks for the help!

Doc:

I am more in the regions than in Moscow, and it's amazing how Kazan becomes like the twilight zone during Dacha season. I have gone to the beach a lot of times in Kazan, Perm, Samara, and Yekaterinburg and I noticed that the girls are really friendly, it was easier getting phone numbers than in a club. A lot of people share shisliki, play football, or beer and young and old people mix and talk. I remember an older Russian man came up to a girl I was with and asked to take a picture of us because we looked good together, probably her above average sized breasts had something to do with it too. Good luck!

[Big Bro AJ]

I forgot to write.

On saturday night around 22:30 only 300 metres away from CF, we saw a tochka. There were at least 20 WGs. They were too comfortable and didn't even bother to wait their customers at the valley.

They were chatting with the potential customers and beacon girl just presented the girls.

[Ricardo Cabro]

Long time filing this report, but as I see Doc has shamed me by getting his belated report filed I thought I’d better pull my finger out. This report dates back to early July and marked a small milestone for me, this being my 20th trip to Moscow. I always seem to gravitate to CF, whatever the weather. This time I was going to try other options, including hitting some clubs with Doc Skank. As it turns out though, this is mostly a report about the “Black Hole “(like the name Doc).

Saturday 01/07. Things started badly. I had just 90 minutes to clear immigration, collect my luggage and get from Domodedyevo to central Moscow before the England vs Portugal world cup game kicked off. However, my flight was delayed 90 minutes in London leaving me no time at all.

I eventually checked in at the hotel and went straight to Petrovich with my business partner (BP1) just in time to see the worst display of penalty taking ever by the England team. With no more serious interest in the world cup I could try and concentrate on other issues but my immediate disappointment was hard to hide so, after a bite to eat and a few beers I headed home to sleep.

Sunday 02/07. At 1:30 in the afternoon BP1 called to say he was coming by to go out for the afternoon to his friend’s dacha. As I struggled to the bathroom I got another call, from Lina, a long time semi-GF saying she was on her way over in a taxi. A bit of history here: I met Lina about 5 years ago through a dating web site and we usually meet when I am in Moscow and we’ll go shopping, choose something nice for her and then she turns into a fuck bunny for the next 24 hours. Now Lina is an attractive, brunette, and 41 years old but with a very well looked after body. I had told her I would be in Moscow a few weeks before by email, she replied that she was getting married to an American and going to live in Hawaii. I countered with the offer of a farewell lunch but forgot all about it until she called as I stepped into the shower.

However, this is Russia and BP1 arrived at my hotel and when he saw I had company he simply called his GF and arranged for her to meet us at the dacha. We drank wine , cooked shaslik and generally had a chilled out afternoon at the dacha. Early evening, I took Lina to the bathroom where we enjoyed an intense farewell fuck. As we left, BP1 and his GF took over from us and were ensconced for some time clearly (ie; audibly) enjoying each other.

Around midnight we were heading back to the city in the same taxi that took us out to the dacha (1000 rub this guy charged for almost 12 hours!!). As we hit Prospect Mira close to the Cosmos Hotel, BP1 discovered he had left his cell phone at the dacha. Lina and I jumped out and took another taxi back to my hotel to continue our goodbyes while BP1 and GF played hunt the cell phone. After another round of sucking and fucking Lina had to leave so I put her in a taxi and wished her well in her new life and 2 minutes later I was in a taxi of my own en route to the “Black Hole” or CF. As one door closes its important to get your toe into another.

The CF crowd was pretty solid for 2:15am on a Monday morning, probably half full and, most surprising of all to me, there was a high factor of not only new faces but some solid 8’s and the occasional 9. Rumours about the ownership of CF changing have been rife for some time and the general slide in expat friendliness is probably linked to this. But, and it an important but, if the quality of the WG’s has gone up several notches then we shouldn’t ***** too much about the price hikes. To me CF is now an indoor Tochka with security on the door and the opportunity to meet, assess and party a little with your chosen one before buying. Drinks are incidentals, I would buy these whatever bar I was in, so $200 - $300 per night for a very beautiful companion is not too OTT. The first time I went to CF I got away for $70, but the norm was $100. Five years on the price has doubled but I get more $$ for my GBP so it don’t hurt so much.

I settled on a bar stool close to my identified target: a very pretty redhead, skinny with big tits and probably 160cm tall. Oxsana (as I found out later) was chatting with a Flat Top but I made eye contact and exchanged a couple of smiles. Meanwhile, a very slim, big eyed brunette called Marina had started hitting on me so I had some fun drinking and talking with her whilst keeping a regular check on Oxsana and the Flat Top. By now Marina was growing on me and as the time was 3am decision time was approaching. This process was being facilitated by the glares and grunts coming from the Flat Top as he began to realise I was hitting on his date.

The next few minutes were surreal and part of the reason I love Russia so much. BP1 arrived (with his cell phone), slapped me on the back and we got a beer each. He instinctively new where to find me as my hotel desk told him I had gone out. Once he understood the situation with Oxsana he approached Flat Top and a short but heated discussion in Russian ensued. The outcome was that Flat Top got up and left. I later learnt that BP1 asked what his problem was and Flat Top suggested that foreigners should not come to Moscow and fuck Russian girls. BP1 kindly informed him that I was more Russian than him and he agreed to leave. As a reward, I introduced BP1 to Oxsana and shortly after we all left (me with Marina) for BP1’s apartment for some much needed fun. Marina sucked like a Dyson and was full of fun and enthusiasm. Both girls asked $200 each for the balance of the night.

Monday 03/07. Spent most of the day drinking and sleeping at BP1’s apartment and returned to my hotel at 6pm. I took a nap and then went for dinner. After the previous night’s pleasant surprise at CF I decided to be lazy and go back to check it out again (as you do, even when you really know exactly what to expect). I arrived at 12:30 am and the placer was hardly jumping. The weekend was clearly over and most of the girls were recognisable as the seasoned CF regulars. I took a beer and went to talk to Anna one of the above mentioned seasoned regulars. Anna is probably mid thirties, bottle redhead and a large rack and too much make-up but we have some history from a few years back. You’ll know if you meet her ‘cos she always promises “good sex, good sex”. 30 minutes later the place hadn’t warmed up so I struck a deal with Anna and we went back to the hotel. I’d forgotten what Anna means by good sex. She is certainly enthusiastic, but not a GFE. She does all the right things but its fairly mechanical – a bit like fucking a porno movie. After a couple of hours I’d had enough and Anna left, apparently returning to CF to see if she could score again.

Tuesday 04/07: Time to work and after a busy day I ended up at the Albion with a client from Belarus (BP2). After a couple of beers and some bar snacks at the Albion we moved on to Pyramid to scope the chicks. Not too much to report so we called BP1 (a mutual friend of BP2). He was still drinking more than 24 hours after I left him so we took a taxi to his place to make sure he was OK. This was something of a mistake as the evening descended into the three of us drinking vodka at his kitchen table until we all passed out.

Wednesday 05/07: I managed to rouse myself and crawl back to my hotel at 6am and then slept until early afternoon when it was time to earn a little more cash with a couple of business meetings. This was an important day for me as I was scheduled to meet Doc Skank in the evening so I was determined to stay out of trouble, away from the vodka during the business meetings, etc. We all know Doc is a bit of a legend on this board. His exploits and input have been superb and I have learned my way around Moscow and St Petersburg by absorbing his many posts. I still carry a copy of his infamous “White Shoes” post with me – it’s a literary masterpiece, it always makes me smile and it tells you a lot about how Russians think as well as Doc’s mongering exploits in Piter.

My final business meeting started well but disintegrated. The two Russians I was with have been business partners for years but today was the day they decided to divorce. The boss man departed and I was left with his forty-something but attractive former partner crying on my shoulder, having (foolishly or gallantly, I’m not sure) promised to look after her. Lets call her BP3. I invited her for dinner, feeling sure that I would be away and free in time to meet Doc, so we got in her car. Here I should explain that I don’t speak Russian and whilst BP3 understands some English, her spoken English is not good. Still, I was doing the right thing. The first hour in the car we moved about 500 metres (don’t you love Moscow traffic). Eventually we got moving and she just kept driving. All I knew was we were going west, into the sunset.

Eventually we arrived in a suburb built exclusively of Soviet style apartment blocks. We parked and entered one of said apartment blocks and took the stinky elevator. By now I assumed we were going to her apartment but realised this was not the case as she wandered around looking for the right door. Finally, we entered and were greeted by a guy in his 50’s (her husband maybe?). Within minutes the table was laden with food, the vodka came out and BP3’s best friend was chatting away, to my relief, in English. We had a great couple of hours, he played guitar and sang songs, we drank and BP3 cheered up. Turns out this guy is a former Colonel in the Moscow police so you can bet I kept his visit card…you never know when you need a good contact.

Finally, we departed and BP3 drove me back to the hotel where I swapped her car for a taxi and headed for CF, already late for my meeting with Doc, ostensibly to watch football but by now it was getting too late.

Now, I’ve been travelling for 20 years and been to almost 60 countries. In all my travels I have been really fortunate and have met one articulate, educated and internationally aware American. I can now double this tally as Doc is right up there. I knew a lot from his writing style but the man does not disappoint. Friendly from the word go, well humoured and exceptionally comfortable in the company of women. I drink for courage, Doc has natural confidence. We sparked quite well and the difference is immense compared with when you hit a place like CF alone. Russian girls are drawn to confidence and to (apparently) successful people having fun. We soon had a burgeoning harem on our corner of the bar and, beer goggles or not, the quality was high.

Somewhere along the way we adopted another American guy with an amazing white smile. I forgot his name but Doc remembered the details in his post. Several beers later and I had reached the point where I don’t get more drunk but I just keep on drinking. This is danger time for me so while Doc and Mr Teeth departed with their chosen ladies I took a couple of bottles of water and went and sat in the restaurant area near the dance floor. After an hour or so I felt the self control returning and had to start from square one as I had allowed the harem to disperse when Doc departed. I noticed a slim, long haired brunette (there’s a theme here) dancing and went to join her. The DJ assisted me by then playing some (c)rap so we retired to the bar. Nadia was Moldovan (or from somewhere similar) and had a plumper butt than I would normally go for but she was very touchy feely and seemed genuinely happy to be with me. After a coffee we struck a deal (5000 rubles/ $185) and went to the hotel.

We showered together and Nadia smiled and kissed me when I slid a soapy finger in her butt hole. Things were looking good. When we went to the bedroom she produced condoms and lube. She gave a pretty good BBBJ and then rode me cowgirl before we switched to doggy. I applied a spot of lube and next minute I was sunk to my nuts in her ass. A few strokes later the condom was off and I came in her mouth. This was followed by her dash to the bathroom to spit. Sleep then took over for a couple of hours before we had a repeat round. Nadia’s not the prettiest girl in the world but she does the business, is very affectionate and came in at under $200.

Next time I go to Moscow I’m going to fulfil the promise I made to myself in September 2005 – no more CF. It’s a dive, its overpriced, the security charge is a disgrace, it’s the same old *****s, etc, etc.

Hasta la Victoria, siempre

Ricardo

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[Doctor_Skank]

Pat Reno:

Thanks for the list of beaches! Moscow can actually slow down club-wise in the summer, so having some beach areas to check out gives us more girl-watching and girl-chasing opportunities, especially during the day! Thanks for the help!

[Helena Moscow]

Helena you are one of the most beautiful and intelligent woman that i have never seen (and 1st in my heart) please explain me with Pat Reno why Here a means of making test HIV and to have a response in less than 20 minutes on the other hand I do not know the price, this way detects also other infections and if with this means one we could fuck finally without condom ?

http://www.orasure.com/products/defa...7&subx=3&sec=3

In all the cases, the HIV (aids) is detectable only 3 months after the contamination, that the test is done in 20 minutes or into 1 week does not change anything.

There is no question of having made medicine studies but to have a minimum of good direction and not to be irresponsible... I hope that the pigeons who will buy that will understand that the 20 minutes relate to only the test in itself and will not fuck without condom while believing themself quiet

Vince, nobody speaks about unprotected sex =))))). You are right about the 3 months and importance of being responsible. Just I am very much interested in this sort of oral tests, because the normal prosedure of HIV-testing is very painful . I think for people who make these tests often, it could be a good idea to avoid making holes in the hand each time. On the other hand there are some other infections detected by blood analisis, which makes holes in hand almost unavoidable.

[Pat Reno]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor_Skank
BTW, does anyone ever go to the beaches or aqua parks in Moscow? Must be a decent place to find women. On my last trip, several of the regular gfs told me they were "at the beach" when I called them... apparently there are a few public and private beaches along the Moscow river where girls go to sun themselves. Obviously swimming in the river is probably a health hazard, but scamming on the babes shouldnt be toooooo dangerous... ideas`or info anyone?

Hello, I E-mailed a Secretary in our Moscow office your question and this is what she sent back to me. -Pat

This is the list of the most popular beaches in Moscow, approved by sanitary inspectors as clean and safe:

Troparyovo Beach
Address: Academician Vinogradov Street, recreational area “Troparyovo”, 339-38-52
Pure sand and clear water. Trampoline, horses, beach volleyball, barbecue, shooting gallery. You can hire a three-seated boat at 180 rubles an hour, or catamaran at 200 rubles an hour.
Entrance: free

Rublyovo Beach
Myakinskoye highway, 1, phone: 414-14-24
Catamarans and boats at 200-400 rubles an hour. Pure sand, well-attended clean area, clear water. Ocassional glamour parties and beach dancing contests.
Entrance fee: 30-40 rubles

Serebryanny Bor-3
Polezhaevskaya metro station, 199-09-70
The most famous Moscow beach. Divided into three areas. Beach-3 enjoys most attention of Muscovites. Neat and clean. A little far away from the main area is a nudist beach.
Entrance fee: 50 rubles

Serebryanny Bor-2
Tamanskaya, beach-2

Khimky-2
Nikolsky Tupik, 2
Clean. Beach voleyball and badminton. Enjoys increasing popularity.
Entrance: free

Strogino
Schukinskaya metro station, then bus# 277
One of the busiest beaches in Moscow. Windsurfing, kiteboarding, hydrocycling and water scooters.
Entrance: free

Bolshoi Sadovy (Academic) pond
Bolshaya Academicheskaya street, 38a, 154-34-66
Not deep, 2 meters. Boats, playing grounds with slides and paddling pool for children; shower, cabanas. Nearby is a magnificent ancient empire grotto with whitestone columns. The pond is located on the territory of the former country estate Petrovsko-Razumoskoye.
Entrance: 50 rubles

Levoberezhny
Pribrezhny avenue, 5
Despite the noise from the nearby Lenigrad Highway, the beach is very crowded every weekend.
Entrance: free

Besides these accessible and widely popular beaches, there are also more expensive beaches that offers more variety. For instance, the entertainment beach center “Beach Club” in Moscow has: bar on sand, facilities for children, gym, restaurant, sushi bar, coffee house, hire station, super-banya, bungalow, VIP zone, mini yacht club, games, aquapark, parking, beach volleyball, mini-soccer, background music, stage for concerts and fashion shows. (www.beach-club.ru) Another beach area of a higher than average level is Gorky Beach located on the territory of Gorky Park, near the Moskva river. Has parking zone, disco in the open air, restaurant, bar. www.gorkybeach.ru 8(495) 517 59 87

[Guy #2]

Thanks for your advice, which I will keep in mind. I am working on the college girls. I have had a lot of other opportunities with 20 something girls hitting on me or coming up to me drunk or hitting on me at work, all of which I have passed up. I know that sounds odd. My thinking is time is short and if I waste to much time fucking everything, I am not spending my time going after what I really want. I had a 27 or 28 year old German Canadian in Toronto get naked on me, and it wasn't pretty. Plus for some reason, some women older than 24 have a body odor. This week I will try to get the phone numbers and go out with the college girls and anything hot over 18 that I see on the street. I am recovering from food poisoning so have been out of commission for the last few days. Factoring in the cost of hotel in Russia, and the hassle of getting a visa, it may be smarter to fly into Prague where escorts are now running at $80 an hour. Regardless of my success with the college girls in the US, I'll probably make the trip to Moscow or St. Petersburg in a couple of months. I'll just have to find a way to eat the hotel costs. No I am not looking for my dream girl. But I see women who put out for free for one guy and then make another guy pay. I don't think it is all about looks. I think it is how you handle the woman. I don't want to be the chump subsidizing some girl so she gives it away free for someone else. It's not about love. It's about not being made a fool of. That is why I don't see the logic in going out with anyone over 24. Most of the girls are not virgins by 18-22. So it should make no difference whether a 22 year old fucks somene her age or someone older because she is no Virgin Mary. And I don't want the 26 year old who feels pressured to get married or who has been fucked over--I am not the clean up man. That is why I don't view this site as a site for chasing escorts. People here don't talk about dollars and buying chicks. It is more about where in the world you can find a culture of beautiful slim women and how you can manage these girls. The word freebie and non pro comes up more often. This site is about fighting back and leveling the playing field. I think this week will be a significant turning point because I will hit on anything over 18 that is beautiful. It has taken me a year just to even get into the college bars. Most of my friends my age are embarrassed to even walk into a place with people under 30. We'll see what happens. I did get the number for the college girl that came up to me. But I also am interested in how she treats me: does she expect me to do more work than some bum her age? Or does she expect me to do more work? If she expects me to do more work, then fuck her and I will move to another girl. It's all about fighting back--morally, legally, ethically. Two consenting adults over 18--I didn't tell her to take off her pants. We also never discussed a business model that pays for chasing women--adult business. If you are going to spend x amount of dollars trying to get laid, you may consider starting an adult business--an online adult site, etc.--that will pay for your hobby. If these girls are only interested in money, and you are only interested in sex, you should create a business model that pays for your expenses. Or like some members here, start a business overseas--like buying a bar or an apartment--that allows you to live abroad. I don't care what happens in terms of how successful I am with women. Whatever happens happens. I just don't want to mismanage my money and have a year where I am spending more than taking in. Travelling to Russia or Canada for pussy is about the same or less than what it would cost me to maintain several girlfirends in the US. The only difference is that the time spent with the pussy is concentrated into a certain amount of days instead of spread out over the entire year.

PS For some reason--and I have studied women in bars over the past year--26 seems to be a defining cutoff. Once a woman hits 26, it seems like it is normal for her to go out with a much older guy. If that is the case, I don't see a difference between 21 and 26 or 22 and 26 which is a matter of a few years. I see it as an arbitrary and cultural difference. Also, most people I talk to don't really try. I think I am the only guy I know who stops people on the street. Maybe there are others but not in my circle. So I think this arbitrary cut off prevents people from trying. But what happens when someone pushes the envelope and does try? Well, I guess we'll see what happens this week. In the meantime, I will plan my trip to Moscow in case I don't fuck anything over the next 2 months. I look at this from a business perspective managing my time and money.

[Cruiser D]

Guy, even though you sound somewhat personality challenged I am going to give you some advice. I am sure since you addressed this to Dr. S he is going to do a much better job in replying then I. But I am bored.

Going to EE to find the girl of your dreams who 'loves you for you' as a tourist is never going to happen, ever. The only girls who are going to be interested in you are those looking for outright cash (or perhaps gifts) or those who think you can take care of them in good lifestyle (house, car, out of the country then dump your ass).

On the other hand, if you want to learn Russian, spend six or so months out of the year there then you will be able to tap into the hot 'normal' girl market.

As far as the 25+ year olds vs. college girls in the US/Canada it's been my experience - having grown up in Boston, the prototypical college town that college girls are generally extremely friendly and willing to talk to anything that moves. Talking to a college girl really doesn't mean all that much unless you get her phone number and go out on a date with her. As for the jaded 25+ year olds, they are at the point in their life where they have already been fucked over once or twice by a 'bad boy' type. But are still young enough to be looking for a Brad Pitt type (note to all - Brad is 40+ is it still okay to use him as the uber example?).

As far as your unwillingness to fuck anything over 26 in the west, although it maybe be merited to paint all the girls in EE with that brush (most of the girls do age hard in EE - sorry EE girls). I find it odd to draw that same assessment of girls in the US/Canada in particular - assuming of course they aren't using the terms 'full figured', 'curvy', 'not thin' or any other online term used in personal ads that equals fat.

BTW - Nothing says 'desperate (I'm omitting the second word for reasons of civility)' more then hitting on everything that moves.