Moscow

[Blastoff]

Helena Moscow

Your right in that I should and will seperate the honest and innocent girls from the ones who want to enjoy my company for a short time.

[Lover]

Privet to all readers!

I read all disscussion on this topic including posts from Blastoff and Helena and tend to agree more with Helena even though I understood Blastoff points clearly because in couple of weeks I am going to visit Russia and have a lot of fun.

But, I am planning in no way to give anybody idea that I am looking for something serious. I am speaking Russian and on russian dating website I placed my profile and get some responses.

I let girls know that I am traveling for a few weeks and I am no looking for anything serious and just would like to have fun.

There is no mention sex free or paid. I will travel outside of Moscow in some places for personal interest and I already figured out 3 girls in those sities: two of them already gave to me their phone # and I expect the last one to follow soon.

I will be happy just to have somebody to hang with in their native places, be happy and if their is no sex not a problem I will find it because in Russia it is not a problem.

I do not have any connection with girls in Moscow yet because I decided to concentrate on proffesionals there or semiprof.

Yes to pretty, smart russian girls
Yes to parties
Yes to happiness
Yes to great sex
Yes to great conversations
Yes to great memories

No to lies
No to hurt feelings
No to sex slaves
No to morning headaches
No to something I will regret rest of my life.

Lover

[Helena Moscow]

I think a news paper add is an excellent option and an addition to the method I suggested. I will definitely do that as well to see the reaction, in fact I may arrange an add in the Moscow Ex-pat English papers soon advising the girls I will be in Moscow June and July and see what kind of reaction I get. Can some one tell me the name of the main ex-pat paper in Moscow please. I will keep you posted o the results.

For such purpose "Exile" will be perfect and inexpensive =)) Also can try "Moscow Courier", but it's not so funny as the first one. "Moscow Times" and "Moscow Tribune" absolutely serious.

Tel. of "Exile" 795-33-76. They speak English.

[Helena Moscow]

I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.

Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.

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I don't say that all of them are innocent, but some of them are. And they can be seriously hurt by such an attitude. I know that some girls are liars. There are enough monsters among everybody. But for what reason become one of them? I mean, if the girl speaks she needs serious relationships, better believe her, because she may tell you the truth, even if it doesn't look so. Probably what you call shit metre is just paranoya, because you are angry for those who cheated you before? In any case, it's better to find those who initially agrees for your conditions and not cheat those who doesn't. You will always find company in Moscow, don't worry, there's no chance here for you to stay alone. We have much more girls then guys. And we like fun-loving men, especially when they are honest =))

[Blastoff]

This is true, you have about summed up most of the comments here. I will take them all on board.

No matter what country I travel to, romance NEVER goes a stray. It always helps set the mood whether the girl is a hardened prop or new at all this, if I am kind to them and sweet and listen to what they have to say, it goes miles for me. Charm is VERY important and I have dated Russian girls and other EE girls here in my own country so I do have a good idea of there expectations.

Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread, I am sure it has been a great help to others not only to me.

[Piper1]

Well Blastoff, you asked for a discussion on your plan, and you got one. Interesting points being made; the key points being: don't overdo it (have some breathing space), and don't lead the gals astray with promises of a long relationship. If you are honest with them about your intentions you will lose a few of your potential visitors, but the ones who do come to stay for the mini-vacation and adventure will be more comfortable with you.

I still think it's a good plan.

Who knows? You may just end up falling for one of the gals, and leaving Moscow a married man! A few years down the track, there will be the patter of little Victor and Anya Blastov.

cheers

Piper

PS - let us know how it pans out

[Blastoff]

CA Traveler,

I hear and take on board what your are saying thanks. This is not my first mongering trip or my first trip to Europe, only my first trip to Moscow. Same dog different fleas as they say.

Regarding my over planning, I think you misinterpreted my intention in starting this thread. It is to share my current experiences with Russian girls and to listen to veterans like you and absorb. I have no doubts that I will be swept along with the flow of Moscow and yes I don't want to get stuck with the “Olga from hell” for a week but it has never and will never happen to me because I will make it go away one way or an other if I have to.

I don't intend to have 10 girls in 20 days turn up to my hotel even though my earlier comments may have sounded a bit like that. I am suggesting that this method is an alternative to the other forms of mongering available in Russia. I will certainly partake in mongering on all levels while I am in Moscow regardless of the cost, I just don't want to leave any stone unturned because life is all about experiences and I have always been an "outside the square" thinker.

Thanks again for your comments and you help.

[Big Bro AJ]

Helena Moscow,

Thank you for your honest and realistic comments. Woman’s perspective (especially a Russian woman) adds a lot to our conversations. .


Blastoff,

You remind me a friend of mine. He went to Moscow like all the girls were dying to get laid with him. He acted like brick, cause he thought money was enough for the girls. But he forgot that money wasn’t that important. And all he got was his skinny Korean interpreter.

Girls probably know that you are on sex vacation, it doesn’t matter it lasts 1 week or 1 month. I have never been to SA, and don't want to; just watch yourself, Russia and Russian people is unique and doesn’t look like SA.

You really have no clue about the Russian women and their expectations from the normal or look a like relation. I am not talking about pros.

Things are too easy with pro. cause you only borrow her time and friendship for couple of hours or a night. Both sides acting like close friends and we call it GFE, if she is too talented and very very open minded than we call it PSE.

In last 2 years, I have met hundreds of girl from Russia, Belarus, Moldavia and Ukraine. I am a sex addict and damn I am good at it. But in last 5 moths I have a serious relation with a Moldavian girl. She is 24 years old but she is a mamushka. Once I was her customer; now I am her boyfriend. She has 8 girls and 3 of them live with her. So I have a chance to understand them closely. Moldavia or Russia, it doesn’t matter, their view of life and expectations are similar. These girls lived in small towns; most of them are only 20 or 21 years old. Some lost their virginity in their first day at job. They are in adult business but have very strong religious belief. All they want is to save enough money to establish their own business and buy a nice house.

They have a simple life; they are dreaming their prince charming to save them. Most of the time the prince is a foreigner, and his age doesn't matter. A warm hug or a kiss, a nice dinner or a simple gift make them feel important for you. If she feels secure and important for you than she truly dedicates herself.

You are dreaming that you are gone present a life that a small town girl never have a chance to live and in return she jumps on your bed. WOW…why don’t we think about it before?

I don’t envy you or try to start a fight but I believe your approach to Russian girls is wrong. I thought mongering has some un written morality rules.

[CA Traveler]

Apparently, the club Coconuts burned down over Christmas. According to my source, one person died, but the cause has not been determined. I've been told that Doug consulted but didn't have any money in the place although you never really know who's into what in Moscow. Things are never what they seem...

As it was once written about Moscow for non-Moscovites, "The only 'experts' on Moscow are those who have been here for two weeks or twenty years!"

[CA Traveler]

bbaj... If Marty returns this will not be his first venture to try to steal the CF/boarhouse mystic... He opened another club a couple of years ago, as I recall, but it never did too much. However, if CF closes it may have an opening.

bo... I appreciate your enthusiasm about the internet and bringing girls to Moscow, but you would do well to listen to doc and others. A new girl every other day or so is a killer. Moscow is a whole new world for both you and, maybe, your 'girl'. If she has not been to Moscow you will have to do the tourist thing, which is not bad the first couple of times you do it, but gets very old after awhile. Besides the dead guy is only open in the morning on some days and closed other days.

More importantly, my experience with bringing girls in for longer periods is a real mixed bag... it is a gamble whether you will get along and have the chemistry to make it happen for you and at the same time that she will be what you expected or you what she expects. On top of that, I don't think you realize what you are asking for a girl to spend as long as two days on a stinking bus to come visit you for a couple of days. Something doesn't compute with that on the girl's part...

Besides, I doubt that you would want to be with her after she has spent two nights on a bus bouncing her way to Moscow. Even a train is a long trip, but I suggest that you consider limiting your radius of searches to a reasonable distance from Moscow.

Quite frankly, I think you are falling in the seductive trap of over planning your trip. If you schedule every minute of your time with internet friends, what happens if you really like one of them and another Elena is on the bus headed your way? What happens if you get sick of her and just want to have a beer and soak up Moscow? I can tell you from personal experience that it is a real downer to tell a girl that you don't like her after an hour and then try to put her back on a plane/train/bus/automobile!

Not only that, but you must allow yourself time and energy to find the bus/train station, each RU city's trains/buses may arrive at a different station, then fighting traffic to get there and back to your flat, then doing the same thing to take her back and then to pick up a new girl. Believe me it is much easier to plan than to accomplish... especially if you don't speak Russian and know Moscow! As a start, I suggest you find out how many train stations there are and where they are located in the city... I promise you they are spread out all over the city... the bus stations are probably worse!

Chances are that some of these girls will be scammers and some will be VERY nice girls who are just looking for a better life with a good man. The scammers can easily be discarded but the nice girls are difficult, at least for me, to deal with because they are playing by what they think the rules are and then the door is slammed in their face because a new Elena is arriving.

At the same time, just because you've invited them for two days doesn't mean that they think that they will have to leave in two days... Their expectations may be totally different than yours.

On top of all of that, I suggest to you that an overplanned trip will quickly fall apart because you'll soon find that there is so much in Moscow to be absorbed that you'll regret not being able to experience it all while you are there! I've done exactly the same thing, and it is fun while you plan your trip, but when your feet hit the ground everything changes and you will be pulled in many directions, quite willingly I imagine. Take this for what it is worth... Don't be disappointed if your plans go to shit shortly after you arrive... That is what Moscow is all about and go with the flow and enjoy the ride!

One last comment, and I don't want to burst your bubble of enthusiasm, when you wire money to any girl... write it off! Don't fret if she doesn't show up... count it as a gift as soon as you give Western Union the cash. Also, don't count on having to just pay the girl for the bus/train ticket... on a long trip she must buy her food along the way or before she leaves. If you send her exact change, don't count on a happy camper when she arrives... IF she arrives. Besides, unless she is totally new to the internet game, don't expect that you being the first.. at anything! Always remember... She may be getting HUNDREDS of new emails every day! And then, unless you are a Brad Pitt look-alike, ask yourself exactly what are you offering to make her drop everything and ride a bus/train for hours/days to meet you?

[CharlieH]

Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.

I'm in agreement with Helena.

On my first trip to Russia, I met a girl that I "met" on a marriage site. I slept with her a couple times then I quickly got tired of her because there were so many stunningly beautiful girls around and I didn't have enough time to chase them. Keep in mind that it was my first ever trip to Russia so my resistence level was low, I was like a kid in a candy store. Anyhow I do think that she was a nice enough girl. I didn't know her situation very well but I knew (in hindsight only, I wasn't thinking at all at the time) she wanted to get out of her situation and I was probably her only way out. Long story short I saw her again in a hospital a few days later after I had stopped seeing her. It was obvious even to a dumb ass like me that she had been crying and she was heartbroken. I felt guilty. I lied to her in our emails that I was looking for marriage, I continued to lead her to believe that when I was in Russia, I slep with her than dumped her for other girls. I broke her heart and I shattered the last hope she had. She was so happy when we first met in person. I guess at first she didn't believe that I'd show up and I guess she liked what she saw and I treated her fairly well. I could see in her eyes that she was so happy to meet me and she liked me so much. Both her and her friend thought she hit the jackpot. I then dumped her shortly after. I guess they were both sadly mistaken about me. I was an asshole and a liar. In normal dating, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes people get hurt. But in this case I lied to her, I took advantage of her situation. Although I never promised her anything either in the mails or in person, I did lead her to believe that I was looking for love. I don't know how she's doing now. But I always feel bad about what I did. I would like to ask people monger with care and responsibility in Russia. Some of the girls live in dire situation and are sincerely looking for a knight in shining armor to save them, they're not out to cheat or use us for money. They just want to meet a decent guy that can make their lives a little better, at least it was the case of my girl. Since then I stopped using marriage sites and stopped telling girls that I was looking for a relationship or love. I simply tell them I like to travel and I'm simply a vistor (either in peron or on dating sites). That probably hurts my chance a great deal but I still had a lot of fun especially that I could live with myself. I was honest and I still had a ton of fun. It's so easy to get laid in Russia, there's no need to lie. Some of the girls really have high hopes and are putting their future on the foreigners they meet online. Just remember there's karma.

[Blastoff]

[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]

Blastoff:




"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))

Yes I agree fully. The problem lays with the fact that so far all my internet chat girls say they are looking for marriage and children in the first or second email. It is hard for me to say NO as it would defeat the purpose but I do use your methods of romance and say things like, "Time will tell and It's up to God what will come out of this " etc. All of this is true in fact as I was once married for 10 years so the possibility is still there. It is just unlikely that's all

[Helena Moscow]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:




"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))

[Blastoff]

Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.

I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.

Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.

Who knows that if I or other mongers meet a genuine girl who is who she says she is and can fall in love for the right reasons and not only for money as many girls look at us like we are only walking automatic teller machines which they can withdraw money out of all the time thus treating us like dumb ass idiots, we may just fall in love with the right girl. Time will tell but in my 20 year experience around the world, most girls I have met lied to me about themselves and their life history. I hope I do meet a genuine and serious girl as you are suggesting in my endeavours in Russia.

[Blastoff]

I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.

You have misunderstood me. I would NEVER leave them on the street. Even if I hated them from the first meeting I would still pay for there trip home and give them some money. Hope that clears this up.