Moscow

[GandJim]

They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it?

..... It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.

I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.

[Piper1]

...I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this.

Since you asked, here's how I did it last time. (Not in Moscow, but you've got me thinking about doing it for Moscow also). Very effective and efficient method. No time-wasting chat-rooms, no hours of "seduction" emailing back and forth. I simply put an ad on expatriates.com (Dubai section) which said something like this:
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Free Trip to Amsterdam.

Married guy, late 30s [okay, I lied about my age!], travelling to Amsterdam for one week next month. I'm looking for a discrete and adventurous woman to join me for fun, adventure and intimate times. I'm professional, okay looking, fit and healthy, adventurous, and fun. Will be staying in a 5-star hotel, enjoying the sights and nightlife. Come and join me! email me at xxxxx
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My plan was to bring a gal from Dubai (if I could find a suitable one), but I ended up with about 20 replies from all over the world. I settled on a Paris-born-and-bred student with an Arabic background. We only exhanged about 6 emails each over a few weeks. She politely backed out a few days before we were supposed to meet, which was fine by me. But when I arrived, I sent her an email telling her I'd arrived, and if she changed her mind, to let me know. She emailed me her phone number, we chatted about 10 minutes, and she hopped on the first train to Amsterdam. Try placing an ad.

PS - here she is.

[Big Bro AJ]

Blastoff,

If you quote, please don’t quote the all message and write one sentence. It takes too much space.

[Doctor_Skank]

Although Big Bro's concerns are valid, I'm not quite as suspicious as he is of the girl's intentions, but you should be careful.

As internet is one of my primary sources of new talent and most girls are fairly honest, I'm not quite as suspicious as I dont think they necessarily are coming to haul in the mother lode, but I am sure they would be very disappointed if they got "nothing but cuddles" out of it.

I also think that it would only be decent to reward them somehow, as it is quite an effort for a girl to ride a shitty bus across Russia (provided they even accept this as a legit mode of transport to meet their prince), take holiday from work or school, explain to her family and friends why and how she is going to Moscow, not to mention the latent anxiety of meeting a complete stranger and having to stay with him. I also assume that the girls, at least if they are smart, have a plan B in case you turn out to be a psycho.

Especially if they are really innocent girls as you suggest, a fair but not overdone "reward" would be very decent.

If she looks "polished" in her internet profile... nice hair, nice clothes etc. or shows pictures of herself on holiday in Turkey or whereever, you can almost be guaranteed that she has a sponsor and probably expects a bit more than the more plain student types would. Its still not a bad idea, but there really is the question of what do you do with her if she arrives and you dont like her? Just kicking her out on the street might sound great in theory, but you may then be surprised to find out how many "brothers" and "friends" in Moscow she suddenly has.

I'd still give it a go, for sure, but really dont overschedule. I dont know how long you are planning to stay, but bussing in new girls every second day is a bit much. Remember that Moscow nightlife is an energy vampire and although you may want to spend all your nights and days in the comfort of your hotel bed with your internet maiden, I am sure the girls are going to want to go out and see the town... and its restaurants and bars. They may not necessarily want "to paint the town red" (after all it is already red) but I am sure they expect some fun. If you arent careful, you could find yourself utterly drained and desperately wanting a break, even as you drive to the bus station to pick up Olga #3...

[Big Bro AJ]

Blastoff,

Arranging girls via chat rooms is what most of us (including me) did. It’s hit and miss…As long as she lives in Moscow, it’s an adventurous way to find freebies. Arrange 2-3 girls, have a drink or late lunch (luckily most of them only eat salads or fruits), if you like each others, take her out at night and probably get laid at the second date (worst case scenario).

When you find a girl from a club/bar/tochka/internet; and don’t like her or don’t really find what you expect on sex than you only send her back. BUT, what are you gone do if you don’t like the girl you sponsor.

Besides how can you believe her that she really lives in another city. She speaks English and has access to Internet. If she is clever enough, she can easily arrange couples of guys for free summer holiday in Moscow. All she has to do is play the innocent country girl trick. I know it because it happened to me.

She will expect you to take her to fancy and popular clubs and shopping; breakfast-lunch-dinner is gone be pricey. Why do you bother yourself for sponsoring? Of course it’s your money, and none of my business; BUT as I understand this will be your first time in Moscow.

I humble think that sponsoring girls will definitely limits you and will cost you more.

[Piper1]

Blastoff,

Seriously, don't be a fool. Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies.

Blastoff! It's a great plan. Of course they are looking for sugar-daddies. So what - it's a fair trade (a bit of shopping, clubbing, dinners etc, in return for some fun company and GFE carnal pleasures). Go for it. But like Dr Skank says, don't fill all your time with the internet dates. Keep some free time for non-sugar daddy mongering. My sugar-baby stayed with me two days. Good fun, but in the end I wanted her to go back home so I could be a bachelor monger again.

[Big Bro AJ]

Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD....

What a great way to monger...

Shag her while her DAD/brother sleeps in the next room. :))

Do we also have to arrange girl for DAD/brother???

Blastoff,

Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies. Sponsored vacation to Moscow, little shopping and clubbing. These girls know to write the right words to make you happy and believe her.

Instead of sponsoring, explore the beauties of Moscow nightlife. Why do you want to stick with one or two girls? There are hundreds of girls as long as you have $200 in your pocket.

Moscow is full opportunities; you may easily find 7/8ish girls for $70-100/2 hours at daytime.

[Cruiser D]

People are always getting toasted in clubs in the US. A few years back 99 or 100 died in a club in RI. 20-30 in NYC. 20-30 in Chicago. One should always keep that in mind when going out. Club owners and promoters generally aren't the most safety minded people in the world. And this is the US the land of the lawsuit. There are more dangers then one thinks. Come to think of it, what would one do in the old 111 in Kiev if there was a fire. As far as I could see there was only one entrance/exit via the stairs. I wonder what the abandon ship drill is at River Palace.

Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.

After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.

As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff:

Sounds like a great plan, here just a few comments:

"Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks... "

$300-400/night is pretty standard for upper tier girls, but anything above $400 is paying above market prices. Expensive it is either way you look at it.

"champagne taste in women."

Well champagne is champagne, but what about sparkling white wine?

"I am having huge success on line."

Its relative... I learned to not "count my chicks before they hatch" or is we say, "until you got your dick wet, you haven't scored." But a start's a start and you are off to a running one.

"They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon."

Russian women do understand that they have to sell themselves somehow, and they know what men want and react to. I totally respect that honest and liberal approach.

"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

"My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow"

How long will you be in Moscow? Or what if your "busload" all shows up at the same time...

"This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow."

Are you sure you want to subject them to a bus trip? Russia is seriously large and bus is a really shitty way to travel. Depending on the distance, they could be in the bus for a couple of days...

"No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there."

You dont have to pay them, although I do think they somehow expect you to be generous, which seems deserved based on how much effort they have to make to see you. Perhaps you could go shopping to a mid-level clothing store or provide them with "help for their school tuition". Being Mr.Cheapo after they arrive isnt going to make a great impression...

"Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow."

That's golden... Dont count on the really good-looking ones on never having been anywhere though. A great-looking girl need not suffer for money anywhere in Russia. The really hot ones usually are sponsored somehow. Not all of course, but a girl knows what she has to do to survive. Perhaps in the really poor areas you can still find some true diamonds.

"If this works out for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL"

Don't be surprised if you end up spending a small fortune on your budget mongering scheme, but it'll still be less than you would spend on p4p 3 times a day.

Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD....

[Bez Bezarra]

bez... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs.

Kanyeshna Nachalnik!

That's what the bribes are for.

The limits on imports are only for basing the prices to pay
tribute to your friend Mr. Customs Officer, its the cornerstone
of the whole fucking crooked FIS economy.

[Piper1]

Blastoff - good plan.

I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. )

I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear , well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").

I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage!

[Blastoff]

As you will know if you have been following this forum, I have been putting in a lot of hours of research into my up coming visit to Russia this June/July.

The inherit problem, as I see it, is that if you want to enjoy numerous hot girls per day while your are there, it’s damn expensive. Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks adds up to a hell of a lot of money quickly. No matter how much money you have, you will soon run out spending it at that rate. Say u want 1, 2 or 3 hot girls per day depending on your drive and preferences, that could add up to a few grand per day depending on the quality of the girls and where you get them from, especially if you have champagne taste in women.

I have been chatting on line to many girls in Russia both in Moscow and in other smaller cities and the reaction I get from them is extraordinarily positive. I have been using the usual meeting sites like www.lavalife.com and www.friendfinder.com etc and I am having huge success on line. Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that they will all turn into bed partners but the reaction to my contact is amazing.
They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon.

They are ALL totally keen to come to my hotel in Moscow and stay with me for some days or weeks if I allow them to. They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it?

My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow and stay with me a few days or longer each at staggered periods . This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow. It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.

So far I have had 100% agreement from all the girls that have responded to my initial emails, to come and spend some days with me in my hotel. No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there.

Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow. The girls from areas like Ioskar-Ola and Kazan seem to be very beautiful and VERY poor. Here we have a perfect combination for mongering heaven wouldn’t you agree?

This will make for an interesting subject so I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this area.

If this works our for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL.

Let’s give it a spin.

[Big Bro AJ]

Honeslty, I have no first hand info about it. My buddy from Moscow has been visiting me and he told me the story.

He loves to hang around at CF on Monday and Thursday nights. But he always complains about the low quality of the girls, aggravating services and unpleasent incidents.

Marty definetly knows better what the market needs...

[Doctor_Skank]

Big Bro,

I read about a fire at a Moscow club, but didnt realize it was one of Doug's. Do you remember the name of the club?

In any case, a new mongering venue would be great!

[Big Bro AJ]

Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.

After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.

As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.