Moscow

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff:

Sounds like a great plan, here just a few comments:

"Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks... "

$300-400/night is pretty standard for upper tier girls, but anything above $400 is paying above market prices. Expensive it is either way you look at it.

"champagne taste in women."

Well champagne is champagne, but what about sparkling white wine?

"I am having huge success on line."

Its relative... I learned to not "count my chicks before they hatch" or is we say, "until you got your dick wet, you haven't scored." But a start's a start and you are off to a running one.

"They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon."

Russian women do understand that they have to sell themselves somehow, and they know what men want and react to. I totally respect that honest and liberal approach.

"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."

Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."

"My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow"

How long will you be in Moscow? Or what if your "busload" all shows up at the same time...

"This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow."

Are you sure you want to subject them to a bus trip? Russia is seriously large and bus is a really shitty way to travel. Depending on the distance, they could be in the bus for a couple of days...

"No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there."

You dont have to pay them, although I do think they somehow expect you to be generous, which seems deserved based on how much effort they have to make to see you. Perhaps you could go shopping to a mid-level clothing store or provide them with "help for their school tuition". Being Mr.Cheapo after they arrive isnt going to make a great impression...

"Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow."

That's golden... Dont count on the really good-looking ones on never having been anywhere though. A great-looking girl need not suffer for money anywhere in Russia. The really hot ones usually are sponsored somehow. Not all of course, but a girl knows what she has to do to survive. Perhaps in the really poor areas you can still find some true diamonds.

"If this works out for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL"

Don't be surprised if you end up spending a small fortune on your budget mongering scheme, but it'll still be less than you would spend on p4p 3 times a day.

Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD....

[Bez Bezarra]

bez... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs.

Kanyeshna Nachalnik!

That's what the bribes are for.

The limits on imports are only for basing the prices to pay
tribute to your friend Mr. Customs Officer, its the cornerstone
of the whole fucking crooked FIS economy.

[Piper1]

Blastoff - good plan.

I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. )

I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear , well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").

I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage!

[Blastoff]

As you will know if you have been following this forum, I have been putting in a lot of hours of research into my up coming visit to Russia this June/July.

The inherit problem, as I see it, is that if you want to enjoy numerous hot girls per day while your are there, it’s damn expensive. Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks adds up to a hell of a lot of money quickly. No matter how much money you have, you will soon run out spending it at that rate. Say u want 1, 2 or 3 hot girls per day depending on your drive and preferences, that could add up to a few grand per day depending on the quality of the girls and where you get them from, especially if you have champagne taste in women.

I have been chatting on line to many girls in Russia both in Moscow and in other smaller cities and the reaction I get from them is extraordinarily positive. I have been using the usual meeting sites like www.lavalife.com and www.friendfinder.com etc and I am having huge success on line. Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that they will all turn into bed partners but the reaction to my contact is amazing.
They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon.

They are ALL totally keen to come to my hotel in Moscow and stay with me for some days or weeks if I allow them to. They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it?

My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow and stay with me a few days or longer each at staggered periods . This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow. It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.

So far I have had 100% agreement from all the girls that have responded to my initial emails, to come and spend some days with me in my hotel. No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there.

Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow. The girls from areas like Ioskar-Ola and Kazan seem to be very beautiful and VERY poor. Here we have a perfect combination for mongering heaven wouldn’t you agree?

This will make for an interesting subject so I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this area.

If this works our for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL.

Let’s give it a spin.

[Big Bro AJ]

Honeslty, I have no first hand info about it. My buddy from Moscow has been visiting me and he told me the story.

He loves to hang around at CF on Monday and Thursday nights. But he always complains about the low quality of the girls, aggravating services and unpleasent incidents.

Marty definetly knows better what the market needs...

[Doctor_Skank]

Big Bro,

I read about a fire at a Moscow club, but didnt realize it was one of Doug's. Do you remember the name of the club?

In any case, a new mongering venue would be great!

[Big Bro AJ]

Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.

After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.

As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.

[Blastoff]

Blastoff,

My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...

I'd chose a place based on:

* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris

A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.

Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.

I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.

Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.

I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.

As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.

Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.

So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in...

Excellent points of view many thanks.

[Doctor_Skank]

Blastoff,

My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...

I'd chose a place based on:

* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris

A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.

Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.

I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.

Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.

I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.

As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.

Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.

So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in...

[CA Traveler]

bez... just a clarification... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs to get to Moscow.

[Blastoff]

Peasant:

There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point...

If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.

Blastoff:

NF is Night Flight.

Dirk Dingy:

From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.

Spark78:

What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.

Doctor_Skank,
You said if you had a couple of million dollars you would NOT live in Moscow but just visit week ends, which surprised me.

May I ask IYHO where you would base yourself in the world if you were retired with a couple of mil and no wife and family?

[Alex Koen]

Hello, friends!

I would like to present you the selection of Kiev (Peter, Moscow) prostitutes. All have quite normal pictures in their questionnaires, so you can make it out. Here is the selection itself:

Janet 25 (60$ for hour, 100$ for 2 hours, 200$ for night)
http://www.destiny.com.ua/alimila
(7-812-972-12-26, 1500RUR for hour 2500RUR for 2 hours)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/likaaa3000
(8-911-242-36-00, 3000RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/magda555
(8-921-780-60-84, 1500RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/tetka01
(8-905-222-35-66, 1800RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/gannetta1
(8-904-332-75-19, 1800RUR for hour)

http://www.destiny.com.ua/wlada4
(8-911-176-13-13, 1800RUR for hour)

You have to be registered to see the big pictures. Registration is free and if you know what and where you should push it will take a couple of minutes. Just don't ask how much time it took for me )

So, how to be registered:

1. Click on the word "Регистрация" (Registration) at the upper left.

2. If a questionnaire did not appear push the big green button named "Регистрация"(Registration).

3. Fill the questionnaire:
"Логин" = enter your login (try make your login longer so it won't be already occupied, but if is occupied the system will suggest to choose the other variant)

"Пароль" = password
"еще раз"(once again) = here you shall repeat your password

E-mail - well, you know what to do )
"Ваше имя:"(Your name) - just enter your name here. Actually you can write here anything, but it should consist of one word.

"Ваш пол:"(Your sex) - choose your sex ("Мужской"(male)/"Женский"(female))
"Дата рождения:"(Date of birth) - enter any date, but you have to choose something

"Место жительства:"(Place of residense) - you also have to choose something here
"С кем бы вы хотели познакомиться?"(Who you would like to become acquainted with?) - choose with whom you wish to become acquainted ) (choose "с девушкой" = with a girl)

"Код:"(Code) - enter a code on a picture

"Я принимаю условия, изложенные в Соглашении о предоставлении услуг"(I accept the terms specified in Agreement about the grant of services) - put a mark and push the button "Зарегистрироваться"(Register).

You will get an e-mail, where you will find a link for confirmation of registration. In principle you can confirm it if you still gonna look for the girlies here, otherwise your questionnaire will just be removed in a day.

Well that's all! Have fun!!!

[Doctor_Skank]

Peasant:

There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point...

If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.

Blastoff:

NF is Night Flight.

Dirk Dingy:

From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.

Spark78:

What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.

[Bez Bezarra]

so [CodeWord140] off.
moscow is everything fake.

there i use people.
in russia you bribe officials, and [CodeWord123] the dyevs who
make about 5 dollars per month.

that is my human sausage the cat meat costs more.

well, i am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?

they have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from china where before you could import 200 kg a month. the problem is- there is no russian manufacturing! in the far east 80% of things are imported from china.

i think the laws here screw over the average russian

there are a few other places a monger could make a stand with a
couple million.

just send your driver down to the container port 10km from odessa, and you can import as much as you want.

all laws are meant to screw average people. you think the rich lawyers
that make the laws give a fuck about anyone but themselves and
their rich buddies? you better wake up. though if you've got millions,
then you're one of them. so from all us average joes, go cry to mommy!

[Ffmbud]

Stravinsky,

What I was proposed was $200 for 3 hrs for the services.