Moscow

[Spark78]

Hi friend I have seen you every where on the bard. Now tell me what it is good in Moscow. I am travelling to moscow, kiev & Odessai. So give your fair advz.

Spark 78

Rating expensive cities:

These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.

Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!

If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.

Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.

I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...

If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..

It's good to be a man in EE.

[Blastoff]

this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.

how much does a girl in nf go for these days?

Here is an other web address on the subject that confirms the earlier findings and better explains how the authors came to their conclusions.

Enjoy

http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

[Blastoff]

this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.

how much does a girl in nf go for these days?

Explain NF please and I will answer if I can.

[Ffmbud]

In this Hotel girls in a bar do not sit. It is new Hotel. You will find girls here
http://www.sweet-dreams.ru and http://www.yourfantasy.ru

I know, I first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many.


Thanks to all,

K

[/QUOTE]OK, so on my last morning in Moscow I gave Victoria a ring to have Katya come by the apartment for 2-3 hrs prior to taking my long trip home. I have nothing to complain about with respect to the service and the girl's attitude but it sure the hell wasn't Katya that advertised on the yourfantasy website, no matter how much she insisted that it was or how bad your screen resolution might be! The "Katya" that showed up was not 19, closer to early thirties, perhaps late twenties consider how Russian women tend to age (I laugh at CT's 'they age in dog-years after 25' comment.

So mongers be warned, the photos are come-ons, but the experience was nevertheless good, but if what you order is what you expect, you'll be disappointed what shows up.

[Maslitio]

Sorry guys. Don't mean to [CodeWord140] anyone off. Moscow prices, for everything, are fake. There is this example that I use with people to explain the difference. If you have an acre of land in the west you plant fruit trees that reap the reward in a couple of years. In Russia if you have an acre of land you build a fence, bribe officials, hire security, and plant potatoes that you reap in less than a year. See the differnce? Thank you Matthew Maly

See, people here open a store and they do not know when it is going to be closed down. They will try to screw you over for the maximum price for the limited time they are in business. The business plan extends to about 1 years here at tops.

As a small business owner, I think that the rates on offices and apartments are ridiculous. The average person who lives here makes about 550 dollars per month. That is less than my rent. To live here like a dignified human being, not a Russian with the explolding Rubin TV and sausage that is not made cat meat, it costs more than LA. I actually told a landlord- "Why am I paying Cali prices" and she said " Well, this is not California."

Yes, I can see that.

No ocean and -30 in the winter. Here have all my money! Please let me live here!

You guys, what would you choose, a house by the sea in Malibu or a "kottazh" in Zhukovo? I am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?

They have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from China where before you could import 200 kg a month. The reason was to protect Russian manufacturing. The problem is- there is no Russian manufacturing! In the Far East 80% of things are imported from China. It will basically raise prices at a time when the PM said to the the money minister "Kus kino mat'".

I seriously think that when they make laws here they go- "how can we screw over the average Russian?"

Sorry to be pendatic but I only post messages here when I am drunk off my ass.

I think I will be at the Boarhouse tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to meet up.

[Blastoff]

this list must be plagued by a very screwy methodology and doesn't pass the initial smell test. it porports that budapest (24), warsaw (28), and prague (27) are more expensive than los angeles (44) and that hanoi (50) is just as expensive as san franciso (50). maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...

I am suggesting that it may be based on the cost of living proportionate to the per capita income of the population and the basic monthly salary. Just a guess..

[Blastoff]

According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.

http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm

Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.

Many thanks for this link and info. I will use it to plan where to visit as I am looking for 3 or 4 cities or towns in Europe where sex with fare skinned girls is easily available and the cost of living is not ridiculously high. I am covered with Asia as I have found that Utopia in the Philippines and Thailand, Africa, the DR, Colombia and Brazil more than cover me for my dark fetish but reasonable priced, fun loving, white skinned or blonds have eluded me for a while other than in my own country of Australia but then you need to keep them long term as a GF which I don't want to do due to the hassle.

I will post all reports of future trips here as a thank you for all the great info I have got so far.

Cheers!

[Prosal]

These ratings aren't really 100% accurate .... there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others. .

"Mercer’s survey covers 144 cities across six continents and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment. It is the world’s most comprehensive cost of living survey and is used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees. With New York as the base city scoring 100 points, Tokyo scores 134.7 and is more than three times costlier than Asuncion, which has an index of 40.3."

[Doctor_Skank]

Rating expensive cities:

These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.

Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!

If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.

Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.

I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...

If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..

It's good to be a man in EE.

[Prosal]

maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...

Yep, maybe ....

lol

[Prosal]

According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.

http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm

Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.

[CA Traveler]

doc... no question that Moscow has more options available for P4P, but you have to admit that ODS holds its own when it comes to regular girls in both quality and quantity!

No doubt that Moscow is a fun place to visit, especially when you have an unlimited expense account and a very flexible schedule, but...

When it comes to less cost, less hassle, less traffic, easy trip from airport, better weather, excellent restaurants at a reasonable price, all in a stress-free environment, ODS is ahead of the game... AT LEAST AS A PERMANENT RESIDENCE.

Maybe you've just been away from ODS for too long?

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:

I admit that Odessa is definitely less hassle than Moscow and a great place to relax amid a bevy of beauties, but there are still reasons we go to Russia...

[CA Traveler]

This entire thread of conversation just reminds me one of the reasons that I moved away from Moscow to Odessa!

[Helena Moscow]

Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.

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I just can add that it's a wise decition to carry passport original. Even we, Muscovites, do the same. Because if something is wrong with your papers, you can be locked in the police for a day or more, which is not at all pleasant. In some days it seems they check documents on every corner, but if everithing is OK with your passport, visa and registration, they let you out in a polite manner.