Moscow

[Guido88]

Unfortunately Moscow seems to be moving towards the Fuck the foreigner’s mindset.

On my last trip it was nonstop, CF girls tried to get money up front, Militia hassles with no girls in the car, wait staff stealing money from a paid bill, Moscow Rick’s assistant scamming money, problems with escorts companies that had been reliable, on & on. This was completely different from prior trips.

A couple of simple of suggestions concerning safety issues with the working girls, Tochka, CF or any pro.

Watch your drink at all times. If at any time it has been unprotected get another. You may pay for a couple of extras at the bar or dirty a few more glasses in your apartment. So what?

Lock you apartment door always. The girls expect this; I have never had one complain or feel threatened. No girl is leaving until you say so anyway. Lock up your valuables with the key.

Don’t get so shitfaced drunk that you loose your ability to be aware of what’s going on. Our own Doc Skank operates best in this knee-walking drunk condition, most of the rest us do not.

Moscow can be an incredibly fun city, but is becoming more hazardous and extremely expensive. Might be time to look for other areas to monger in. Sounds as though CT may have found an interesting alternative in Odessa.

Guido88

[Doctor_Skank]

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Sorry mate! Really horrible to hear what happened! The girl looked great and I guess it was really too good to be true.... remember that I also got drugged at CF sometime last year and somehow made it home alone and alive. Fucked me up for almost 2 days. Really happy to hear that you are ok.

CF does kind of suck in a major way, but for those wondering why we go there, sometimes on a slow and extremely cold Sunday or Monday night it is the most sensible option... or at least it seems. Dont know why I keep finding freebies there either... but I have also had both great and awful times there as well.

My Own Again:

Tochka girls will do just about everything, but you'd be silly to go bareback with any pro.

Tochka:

Tochka reports have been better again lately, maybe our favorite hobby is showing some signs of revival?

[Russia Fan]

thought i’d share a recent experience at oh la la. we’d heard good reports of the place but now cannot confirm this. if anybody really wants to go there, make sure you take lots of change, i.e. lots of 100rb notes. they seem to have a cynical and short-sighted policy of not giving change, presumably to encourage stupid businessman to pay 500rb or more for 2 mins lap dance instead of 100rb. we went with some german business visitors and this policy quickly scared all of our guests away from the main room into a protective huddle by the bar to escape the aggressive girls. our partners were definitely ready to spend money but this approach tor****ed the evening. somebody said it used to be run by a frenchman but has gone down hill since he left. can’t imagine going back. any ideas on lower pressure places?

[One O Nine]

You're absolutely right My Own.

I started off at Spearmint Rhino tonight, and unfortunately didn't play my cards right at all. As soon as I walked in I saw this absolute stunner, who was sitting with a bunch of Turkish businessmen and looked bored. While I was waiting for her to free up, I was approached by another gorgeous girl, who looked a lot like Patricia Velasquez from that movie The Mummy, even with the same exact haircut. So I hit it off with Ankh-sun-a*** pretty well, but then she had to go up on the main stage, and at the same exact time the Turkish gentlemen left, and the blonde came up to sit with me. Ankh-sun-a*** didn't like that at all. Soon enough I struck out with the blonde; she told me very quickly that she wasn't that kind of girl, she was only out there to dance, she didn't have sex with nobody, and so on. So off she went.

Then the brunette was back at my table, and just as I was this close to finally convincing her to go home with me, the girl Olga I had met six months ago (see this old report http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...091#post380091) came out of fucking nowhere, sat at our table, and ruined everything. I couldn't get rid of her for the life of me, she wouldn't let me say a word to Nadya the brunette, and soon enough I was left with the choice of going home with Olga, or going home by myself. I chose the latter.

The driver drove me to some far-away tochka, the selection was decent for 2 am on a Tuesday, I grabbed this 18 year old from Moldavia named Alyonushka and we had a great time. She had some of the weirdest, scariest stories to tell about her past, but a while ago I just stopped caring. The sex was good, she worked really hard, and left me more than satisfied. All for exactly $150.

So, yeah, tochkas are great, as long as you're jaded enough to fuck a teenage orphan who's been hooking for six years and had her spine broken last year by the mob.

[My Own Again]

Why don't you go to a tochka instead. For 150$ you have a very decent girl for the whole night. And the selection is very large.

[One O Nine]

Because on a slow cold weekday night, CF is still the cheapest, easiest, surest option with the largest selection. Everything else either takes more money or more time. At CF you can just walk in, get loaded, and leave with somebody with no effort on your part.

Of course, after getting drugged there twice, I think last Sunday was my last visit there ever.

Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind.

In my personal experience, a proper dosage (which is much higher I'm sure than the recommended ones you find in medical literature) will literally turn off your brain for two days. Not familiar with the effects of the other drugs you've mentioned, but Klofelin will certainly do its job if administered properly. The previous time this was done to me, thankfully I noticed the effects just before we got to my apartment and got rid of the girls; and then the next thing I remember is waking up 14 hours later, and then being unable to wake up for more than an hour every 12 hours for the next two days. I hadn't had anything to eat or drink the whole time, too, as I was barely concious when I was up.

Trust me, when the dosage is right, the thing is brutal.

[Helena Moscow]

I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.

I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.

Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.

Locking the door can work. But it can also frighten an absolutely normal girl. For ex. I'd never stay with a guy who locks the door. I'd suspect him of something.

You are right that she can give wrong number or still it out. But still there is a chance. Firsr you'll see her reaction: how she'll behave after you ask her number. If she is happy or nervouse. You can try to call her mobile immediately - and see if its real or not. Second - she may change her mind to give you klofelin even if she planned, because she may hope that you become her permanent client (be useful without crime). I think these girls are scared themselves to do it. And the slightest change of scene can make them change their criminal plans.

And. The best thing is for sure: to let her know that you have no money in your place, except the agreed amount of money for her. Because if there is nothing to still from you, then no motivation for crime.

Anyway it's good that it's possible to discuss such things and share experience. Little by little = a lot.

[Stravinsky]

Just curious....

Can someone explain the attraction of CF?

With all the bad reports that come out of there and with all the other options available in Moscow, why would anyone want to waste their time there?

[Waster99]

Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind. I guess a severe blood-pressure drop could result in a lot of dizziness but there has to be much better drugs available on the non controlled pharmaceutics market in Moscow, such as diazepam (Valium®) or Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol®)

[One O Nine]

BL5,

You may be right in general, but it certainly didn't seem to be the case in my particular incident. Firstly, I haven't been to that place in almost six months. Secondly, I found the empty bottle from the drug in my bathroom here. Lastly, I highly doubt that a criminal organization would so completely trust a drunken histerical *****.

I'm betting she acted alone, and I was one of her first victims. She clearly did not know what she was doing. She couldn't give me the proper dosage of the drug, she couldn't stay calm waiting for it to take effect, and she couldn't handle the situation at all once things started falling apart. Thank God for that.

Here's a photo of the thing I found in my bathroom. You can kind of see it says KLOFELIN in Russian, but it's a little hard to read. It's a little squirt bottle, and you have to unscrew the top to use it - so it takes a little effort and a bit of time to use it. Keep your eyes open.

[Starchild2012]

I had the very similier or exactly the same after effect that you had mentioned.

I was about to write my experience yesterday, but you had mentioned that you were not drugged but just drunk.

Boy, it can happen to you anywere, the incident that happened to me was in my backyard not in russua but in india, mumbai.

And being a local guy in that bar, some of the staff know me pretty well, but not to the extent of caring me well but for tips and still more tips when im dead drunk.

They knew that i usually go home dead drunk but not that im not aware how much i spend.

last friday, i had being drinking and drunk as usual, but just as if i was unaware what was hapenning to me...i was not even able to move myself from one side to other. My whole mind was spinning totally out of control and did not know what is going around...i normally used to drink that much, but i never had that after effect.

I know something was wroung, so i asked for bill and they said its 2000 RS normally it would be 800 ....i said i need to go to ATM..two guys came along with me and i did not know at that moment how much i withdraw....

i just took a cab and just dropped dead in my house and woke up next day 6 PM....I have never ever slept so much with as much drinking my whole life...

i knew i lost it out and i being druged and i was not able to comprehend how much money i lost out and fight with those guys for money.

With a big heart i dared to check if i had my ATM card, thank fully i had and tried to check my balence. ...i lost 5000 RS that day and withdraw two times for 3 and 2 k .....im not sure when did that happen...

After lot of R&D..i found out there operation....the girls are not the chief operands...waiters, bartenders, anybody who is associated with the club is involved in drugging you..

Im 100 % sure that you did not go to the bar first time. they must have identified you and i think you go to these places and get drunk heavelly most of the time.

As you said you have being drugged in the bar itself, The authorities are im sure knows what goes on were and then there next card is women to make you more involved.

If you check with these guys in the bar, they would support you whole hearttedly and blame the women and would say we will check it out...but just keep a low profile and visit the bar after some weeks and if you keep a vigilent eye ...you will know it goes hand in hand with the bar managers and you will find exactly the same women that you think drugged you.

Rule No. 1 ....I think..if we drink heavely in the same bar, we are at risk, cos im certain that it happens with the involvement of the bar authorities, cos the women keep changing most of the time and we do not take the same women twice.

I think some other senior forum member, a year back had mentioned the same drugging efffect in CF.

Rule No.2 ....Im just lucky that im alive ....and it feels to live the tale ...God knows in a foreign country we are on our fate itself.....be careful what goes in and out of your glass....and do not stay for more than it is required..cos the authorites are scanning their next victim....

It should have being in the India forum, but i was planning a trip shortly in moscow..so it better go here..and anyway mostly all bars in mumbai are closed.


Loser.

[My Own Again]

[QUOTE=One ... with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. [/QUOTE]

I would not be worried about the girls from tochkas. They are on the very lowest level in the hierarchy, much worried about what is going to happen to them to be able to do anything criminal themselves. They are sold to a customer they do not see and know nothing about. They do not know how many man are waiting for them in the appartement they are being taken too. They do not know what will be required of them. They do not know where they are and how to get out from there. Even if they manage to lock themselves in the bathroom and telephone for help, they usually do not know where they are. They are usually girls from the country that arrived to Moscow a few days before and do not know anyone there apart from their ponce, the mamochka and one or two girls they share the bed with.

[One O Nine]

I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.

I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.

Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.

[CA Traveler]

HM... actually that is a very good idea... providing that your phone doesn't transmit your telephone number at the same time... then you would have some idea how to contact her if she does something like this.

[One O Nine]

Thanks everyone. Looks like I was drugged after all, just nowhere near as bad as the last time this summer. I checked out the vial she left behind on the internet, and it's a mild form used as eye drops. The dosage of Сlophelinum was less than 1 g, which is what anyone could be prescribed for high blood pressure. Most of the negative side effects in my case are probably from mixing it with alcohol. I just felt really slow and sleepy all day, developed some near sightedness for a couple of hours, and that was really it.

So, once again, watch your drinks at all times! I already had a bad experience, but apparently I still wasn't vigilant enough. Keep your eyes on the bottles, too; I think she might have put it in the bottle of wine we were drinking and not directly into my glass.

Secondly, hide all the sharp objecs. I put away all the knives and forks and corkscrews, glasses and frying pans. This wasn't the first time that a girl went crazy on me, and it's just not a good idea to have a butcher knife convinently lying around.