Saint Petersburg

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I've been in and out of SPB for some years. I don't wander too far. Maximus has been the barometer for me. The first time I went maybe six years ago it was packed with gorgeous blond girls and girls with great bodies. If a girl was older she was like a 31 year old super hottie still that didn't lose anything because of her age but had just lost the vapid stupidity and quest for brand names, along with the arrogance and disdain of the younger girls. And had also lost the pushiness because it's got to be tiresome to be so push.

But those days are over.

It's been a slow slide. The prices went up over the years and the quality has been in a death spiral. SPB has always been the ugly sister compared to Moscow and maybe with the harder economic times the better looking girls have migrated down to the city where the traffic never sleeps.

Because they are sure not here now.

Don't get me wrong, it is still a whole level above the BS that you're going to get in almost every other country, but this club is called Maximus because that's the level of pushiness you're going to deal with. By the time you sit down you will have four girls surrounding you interrogating you with the same BS questions you'll always get. Where are you from, have you been here before, where are you staying.

The next time I go to these places I swear to god I am going to either wear a fucking sign around my neck with the top 10 questions pre-answered or I am going to bring a stack of printouts to hand out to them when they start asking. It is not so bad if you get one girl approaching you over 30 minutes, but in a place like this the effect is one of throwing a cup of bloody flesh into a tank of starving piranhas.

The local girls are, if you're lucky, slightly below the girl next door to a bit above the girl next door. Russian girls are getting fatter now with their McDonald's and Starbucks and quadruple sugar creme coffees or whatever the hell they drink. Juice juice juice, someone needs to tell them that Juice is just sugar water. Better off drinking vodka.

Anyway when you're lucky you will get some girl from Belarus who is trying to swim upstream and she will stand out from the crowd in a joint like this in SPB. She hasn't made it yet to Moscow and she won't be as pushy or annoying as the local girls. 6 years ago the best of this crowd would be the ugliest girl in the bar. 6 years ago in Kiev none of them could get a job in a club like this.

I will hold out some hope for Moscow, the world is painting me into a corner, everywhere I turn there are dancing hippos on tables asking me for money. I can tell you this though, I point the finger straight at Instagram, where any half pretty girl can post some selfies and our friends living close to the equator with too much money, too much sand, and not enough of anything else will throw tens of thousands of dollars at them. I fired off a message almost at random to some girl on instagram suggesting some money and she said she doesn't lift a finger for $1500 and if you wanted to spend 12 hours with her then you should come up with $3000. This for her is regular and normal and she was barely cracking 8.

Any half pretty girl can pick up a phone and make some selfies and with filters and photoshop and the right pose look about twice as good as she does in the real world and these jerkasses start throwing around money that can feed a small village at these girls in order to get a few hours of their time. Or at least they will claim to and set expectations in these girls heads.

Don't even think in this world about normal dating. They will check your watch, check your shoes, check your car, find out what you want to spend on them and that will cost you far more than buying them for the night. On a website that will not be named a girl who was a bit better than average suggested she wanted $25,000 per month to be a girlfriend. That my friends equates to $300 k of after-tax income.

Do you have $500 k of pre-tax income to devote to a nice looking girl to hang around, be upset, yell at you, be forever in need of some extra crap over and above her salary? While she drops phones, smashes cars, knocks glasses of water over your laptop and accidentally sets your backup disk on fire? Bringing these girls into your life is like opening the door and asking a category 5 hurricane to please come in and make itself at home. And they want to be PAID for it.

Thank you Instagram where any reasonable girl can have 100,000 men panting over the prospect of maybe being blessed with the opportunity to lick the soles of her shoes.

The only justice is that for them it lasts such a short time and there is another crop just around the corner that will be even more media savvy then them. Who is going to give a flying fuck about your selfie or that picture of your lunch when you're 34?

Maybe in the end the world will balance out but for now it sure feels like there is more money than there are beautiful girls, and those beautiful girls are sure as hell no dummies. They have followed the cash, and that cash is not in a strip club. Nope, now everyone is a thousand dollar an hour hooker and Instagram brings them a thousand customers a day, offering private jets and trips to the Seychelles and a credit card to fill all those Dior and Chanel bags with crap to post right back on Instagram again. Why their parents never clue in is beyond me.

I weep.

Another city off my list. Once you've seen the buildings, there really is not any reason to return. Plus, there are pictures of this place on Instagram.

[RainMan8]

This is my first time to St Petersburg. From other posts suggested the site karamelki shows real pic. So I tried it which Google to http://karamelki-spb.org/ . I made many calls to the numbers which water marked on the gals picture but most of them cannot be connected. Then, turned to Rusdosug, some gals do not speak English, until there is one who answered my call speaking a bit English and I requested the address by SMS. Arrived there in 30 minutes, the pic is fake and there were four gals to pick. All of them are just so-so, just pick one looks young, a bit fat and not pretty. Not very satisfactory, how can I get a higher quality gal?

[FredZee]

Made my way to Orchid Massage around 5 pm and they had 5 girls to choose from. None of the girls on their website were available but I did choose a red head named Julia. I was given the choice of a regular oil massage for 4200 rub or a soap massage for 4900 rub and both were for 60 minutes. Julia was your girl next door type, cute and in decent shape. The soap massage is a new experience for me and they use what looks to be a pillow case and a bucket of warm / hot water to suds up and make it a big amount of suds / bubbles. Julia had me lie on a cotton sheet that was on top of a thin foam sheet that rested on a nice heated tile platform. She poured the soap on me and started the full body massage. It was about 20 minutes of back massage and then 20 minutes of frontal where she rubbed her self all over me. It was nice and she was in the reverse cow girl position as she was stroking me and I could see her pussy full on. It was quite nice and once I came she continued to massage my cock and it was really quite intense and nice. So, all in all, a nice and relaxing 60 minutes for 4900 rubs. I would do this again for sure.

[FredZee]

I have written about them previously.

My first visit two years ago was with a reall stunner who offered to go full service near the end of my 90 minutes.

5 visits since have not been so successful, so you can't expect more than the basic tantra.

I requested 90 minutes 4 hands about a year ago. It was very mechanical while the 2 girls focused on personal chit chat in Russian about their personal lives. Most disappointing.

I can't think of a better place if all you want is a basic massage.

Meesee,

Thanks for the info I didn't search but I should have. Rub and tug is good for me if the girl is hot enough. Had a great time at Vanilia in Moscow. If this is similar then I would be good.

Thanks, Fred.

[Meesee]

Dear forum members.

I will be in SPB the second week of September and was interested in any member's experiences with XM Spa. The website is een.xxxmassage. Ru I have read others write about Orchid and I will check that out but any input on XM Spa would be great. It looks like they might offer more than just massage.

I have written about them previously.

My first visit two years ago was with a reall stunner who offered to go full service near the end of my 90 minutes.

5 visits since have not been so successful, so you can't expect more than the basic tantra.

I requested 90 minutes 4 hands about a year ago. It was very mechanical while the 2 girls focused on personal chit chat in Russian about their personal lives. Most disappointing.

I can't think of a better place if all you want is a basic massage.

[FredZee]

Dear forum members.

I will be in SPB the second week of September and was interested in any member's experiences with XM Spa. The website is een.xxxmassage. Ru I have read others write about Orchid and I will check that out but any input on XM Spa would be great. It looks like they might offer more than just massage.

Also, does anyone have an experiences with the Angelterre Hotel on Malaya Morskaya for working girls or is it working girl friendly?

Thanks in advance.

[Delac]

Hi fellow mongers,

Just returned from heaven. What a satisfying trip. Some tips and guidelines.

Download google translator. Two pronged help. One can translate English to russian and same can be used for chatting. Also has picture translator and audio translator. Which will help you on streets.

Download Mamba and badoo. Good social chat sites and keep on liking the gals. Probably some additional money required to charge or buy some special packages of respective sites like coins etc.

I could manage gals on both who were ready to come to hotel. And economical rates. Going rate is 5 K-7 k in hotel for couple of hrs and 3 k in their apartment for an hour..

Hey Tia,

Thanks for the good report.

I'm heading to Peter tomorrow for 3 weeks, I have just realized that I'm staying almost in the same building as Orchad spa (14 A vs 14 B on Kuznechyy per). Small world, uh?

No need to mention that I will certainly drop by.

Do you have any particularly good masseuse to recommend?

Thanks

[Meesee]

Unfortunately covered blowjobs are the norm in SPB. It is possible to get uncovered in certain salons.

I found the same. No problems getting one at markiza or carmel. Just request at the beginning and pay an extra 1000. Worth it.

It is an all-she-can-eat for that price.

[Tia912]

Hi fellow mongers,

Just returned from heaven. What a satisfying trip. Some tips and guidelines.

Download google translator. Two pronged help. One can translate English to russian and same can be used for chatting. Also has picture translator and audio translator. Which will help you on streets.

Download Mamba and badoo. Good social chat sites and keep on liking the gals. Probably some additional money required to charge or buy some special packages of respective sites like coins etc.

I could manage gals on both who were ready to come to hotel. And economical rates. Going rate is 5 K-7 k in hotel for couple of hrs and 3 k in their apartment for an hour.

Found one or two sites also where in in call is available. MARKAZA and Carmel. Above that befriend a taxi driver and he would do the needful. Could manage in 2 K for an hour too.

What else. Try FIDEL and other joints in Dumskaya street. If you are lucky, you can find pick up, nice English speaking gals available there. However, its a disc and karaoke street.

Orchad spa is another classy place for good relaxing and happy ending massages. Others, on nevsky prospekt, I found to be below average.

Happy mongering guys.

[Kitzi]

I have talked to a few on mamba and try seem like regular non-pro women. How did you find semi-pro"s.

I have the same confusion actually, chatted with some gals, seems no pros.

[Jake993]

Several years ago prostitution was so out in the open. Even on the streets. The famous tochka, etc. So why are they cracking down on prostitution now? I doubt it's because they've suddenly become superior moral beings. This is fucking Russia for crying out loud!

So how does cracking down on sex trade benefit their current political agenda or local elites? I can't see how. Anybody knows?

Honestly JP, I am surprised at you. You KNOW the answer to this. Cracking down on prostitution is about money; nothing else. As we all know, Russia is a petro economy. So when the oil price is down, there is less money sloshing about, budgets get cut and the "skim" gets thinner and thinner. By the time it trickles down to the lowly Millitsia, (sorry, it's now called Policia) there's fuck all left. Raiding known Salons is one of their only source of extra income left. Believe me, they don't like it any more then we do. But hey, what's a poor working stiff to do? Shaking down the proprietor of the salon and "threatening" a raid only goes so far. Sometimes, you need to perform a little demonstration to let them know you are serious. It's just unfortunate that the poor sex tourists get involved and humiliated. Let me assure you, these raid have nothing to do with morals or politics.

[Skwiskwis]

Here's a girl I was curious to meet (photos look too good.), but, unfortunately, she wrote she wouldn't be available until after August 5.

She also wrote that she only meets in hotels and prefers meeting Russian men, but I took those as guidelines and not rules.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1548895376?hit=3

She gave me a phone number.

Again, I didn't meet this girl. Just chatted with her on Mamba, and we didn't have a discussion on the particulars (price, etc.).

She only speaks Russian, but if all you want to do is discuss a meeting a translator might work.

[Jonners]

Blow job was covered.
Took her in doggy.
Over all average experience.

Unfortunately covered blowjobs are the norm in SPB. It is possible to get uncovered in certain salons.

If it's important for you. Ask for 'minet bez preservatif' but you could go to quite a few before you find a girl who will say yes.

[Monocef]

I see what you mean. But this is just to protect their establishments against the increased police raids from the last months like you can see here www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIUXTNErBU and here (http://www.ntv.ru/video/1294347/); so this is in no way to make our mongers life difficult. And they also don't want to expose themselves too much to wanabee vigilantis or angry neighbors. Tough Life.

Yes bro I can understand. They were extra careful all the time.

[Jonathan Pine]

I see what you mean. But this is just to protect their establishments against the increased police raids from the last months like you can see here www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIUXTNErBU and here (http://www.ntv.ru/video/1294347/); so this is in no way to make our mongers life difficult. And they also don't want to expose themselves too much to wanabee vigilantis or angry neighbors. Tough Life.

Several years ago prostitution was so out in the open. Even on the streets. The famous tochka, etc. So why are they cracking down on prostitution now? I doubt it's because they've suddenly become superior moral beings. This is fucking Russia for crying out loud!

So how does cracking down on sex trade benefit their current political agenda or local elites? I can't see how. Anybody knows?