Saint Petersburg

[Eros74]

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However, in the last couple of years, prices in salons have almost double. Compared with last year, there is usually a 25% increase.

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Last time I was in Piter, was september 2004 and more or less was 100$ for one hour,which prices are we expecting to have this year?

Thanks!

[Ricardo Cabro]

Just checked backwards and the date was March 2004.
RC

[Ricardo Cabro]

GandJim, Guido88,
This may be something of a red herring but I saw something approaching a tochka in St Petersburg a few years ago. I can't remember the exact time but it was a few months before I discovered the photomodelli salons so probably 2003.
I took a taxi in search of girls and the driver took me off I know not where. He stopped outside a cafe/bar (this was about 1:00am) and 3 girls came running out across the pavement to the car window. One of them spoke excellent English but was clearly a transexual (never bothered to ask if pre or post op) so I told the driver to move on.
The next stop was an archway leading to a courtyard and parked in the archway was another car. 4 girls poured out of the car with the mamochka in the front passenger seat. None of them were keepers so we moved on again, finally arriving at an appartment on Vossanya Ulica, which I visited the following night as well. All 3 locations were in the same general part of SPB as Vossanya Ul.
The "tochka in a car" was not on the same scale as Moscow - but the system does, or did, exist. My Russian isn't good enough to find this type of service deliberately, but others may fair better. The only reason it took me so long to arrive at an appartment was because I couldn't ask for what I wanted and just kept repeating "girls, dyevochki, da" to the driver.
RC

[Guido88]

Hey GandJim,

Yes those are the two magazines, good research.

After reading your PM looks like you are well acquainted with the salon scene. Unfortunately pricing has increased in the past couple of years.

One monger described the increase as the result "PIF" epidemic worldwide.(Pussy Inflation Factor) Problem is we have to have it.

Still considering the quality available in Petersburg pricing is better than most of the world for petite light skin women. My favorite!

Thinking might be time for a trip to lesser-traveled areas in RU for better value.

Guido88

[Toptraveler1]

Hi,

Thank you for your comments but do you really think that the picture of the girls you see in these internet sites are true?

GandJim,

To my knowledge there is no Tochka type operations in St Petes. Spangle off WSA had found an area on the RU Russian boards with a few street girls, but that it as far as I know. RC and I were referencing RU women’s attitudes in general including Moscow Tochkas as example. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. With so many great options in Petersburg no Tochkas is not a huge loss.

The salons in Petes overall are quite good with some real cuties. I have used various ones Dominos, Photomdeli salons with good results and there is one over on the canal Gribolvolda. (sp?) that I like.
http://www.fantaziyalove.ru/news.html

Stary Nevsky has a bunch of them.

My approach is to initially go to the salon to see a line up. Then either partake there or take home and when I know which girls I want call for home delivery later. The girls I like I always get their cell number and see them on their own time. Better value and service.

Either use a cabbie to find them or pick the magazines at the newsstands in the metro.
Rendezvous is one I Mag looks something like this in Crylic- PaHAeBY There will be another next it as well.

Also Spangle posted salon contact info with google earth maps I think on WSA. If you have not looked at that board its well worth the cost to join for a month.

Internet is good for home delivery as well.

Omen.RU has an intimate section that can be great. Got 2 cousins 19 & 20 delivery, full service with lesbian. Thought I had died and gone to heaven.

Here’s a couple of links:
http://amurspb.ru used this for several years
http://spb.s09.ru/ many links off this link.

Have fun

Guido88

[GandJim]

Thanks Guido, I was just curious about the tochkas. For the salons, I have already visited many of them over the years.

However, in the last couple of years, prices in salons have almost double. Compared with last year, there is usually a 25% increase. So that's why I was hoping there is a cheaper alternative in St-Pete when I saw you mentioning tochkas, because that's one of my budget options when I'm in Moscow.

Jim

PS: By the way, you can post in cyrillic in this forum. The magazine is "Рандеву" . Is the other magazine you're talking about "Знакомства", or is it another one ? (see covers on their website: http://www.randevu.su/ and http://zdv.ru/)

[Guido88]

GandJim,

To my knowledge there is no Tochka type operations in St Petes. Spangle off WSA had found an area on the RU Russian boards with a few street girls, but that it as far as I know. RC and I were referencing RU women’s attitudes in general including Moscow Tochkas as example. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. With so many great options in Petersburg no Tochkas is not a huge loss.

The salons in Petes overall are quite good with some real cuties. I have used various ones Dominos, Photomdeli salons with good results and there is one over on the canal Gribolvolda. (sp?) that I like.
http://www.fantaziyalove.ru/news.html

Stary Nevsky has a bunch of them.

My approach is to initially go to the salon to see a line up. Then either partake there or take home and when I know which girls I want call for home delivery later. The girls I like I always get their cell number and see them on their own time. Better value and service.

Either use a cabbie to find them or pick the magazines at the newsstands in the metro.
Rendezvous is one I Mag looks something like this in Crylic- PaHAeBY There will be another next it as well.

Also Spangle posted salon contact info with google earth maps I think on WSA. If you have not looked at that board its well worth the cost to join for a month.

Internet is good for home delivery as well.

Omen.RU has an intimate section that can be great. Got 2 cousins 19 & 20 delivery, full service with lesbian. Thought I had died and gone to heaven.

Here’s a couple of links:
http://amurspb.ru used this for several years
http://spb.s09.ru/ many links off this link.

Have fun

Guido88

[GandJim]

No doubt with the Tochka girls they appreciate a warm apartment, ....

Indeed. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate any tochka in St-Pete in my previous visits.

Will be back in St-Pete in June-July. Would appreciate some hints on tochka approximate areas in St-Pete. I stay at a friend who has a car and we drove around a lot at night, but I have never been able to spot a tochka beacon anywhere.

Thanks

[Romeo1]

The Corinthia is a pretty good hotel and is next door to a Photmodelli parlor and across the street from Magrib. I don't know about "lobby girls", but when I returned to the hotel after 11 PM there were three women sitting patiently in chairs right next to the elevators--high side of 30's, very polite. They asked if I wanted company. I wasn't interested--well dressed, heavily made-up pros, but not particularly attractive.

I too have been researching the forum for a good hotel and was told that both the Corinthia Nevskij Hotel and the Grand Hotel Emerald are good "girl friendly" hotels. Is this true or was I give the wrong information??

I wish this Forum would also have a "hotel" section like the BKK forum

[Guido88]

RC,

No doubt with the Tochka girls they appreciate a warm apartment, food and drink along with a male who is relatively nice to them. Sometimes it’s hard to get them to leave after 18 hours. I think many come from hard lives and are probably not living in the best of accommodations.

1st RU trip second Tochka girl, get her back to the apt, fix drinks, let her watch TV then on to bed where she receives a massage and promptly falls asleep with no intention of waking for sex. She correctly pegged me for a tourist and decided to take the night off with pay. Mistake on my part, should have been more direct and less nice. 2nd night in Moscow, did not have a clue as to the Tochka location to return her lazy ass.

Funny thing is she was a little vixen who Doc had done at an earlier time and posted pics of with a stellar revue. Ah……. the luck of the draw.

Doc had made a post a couple of years ago along the lines of “the Russian women know their place and like it that way” Found this to be true. No reason to be a brute, many reasons to be assertive, direct letting them know their expected place. If allowed many of the Devs will play games, be lazy, steal small items ect…

IMHO that’s where western men need to adjust their thinking. I have had on a rare occasion salon girls that refused to give head period. After hearing NO 4 times, the word OK magically pops out with a smile and she happily goes to work then later asks for a tip. She was simply testing boundaries.

Doc,

Excellent point on the competition aspect. Kind of fun to watch girlfriends brazenly compete for your attention. The # of single women in St Pete’s far outweighs the number of mature single males with more than a few rubles in their pocket.

The ratios in the clubs can at times almost make you feel guilty. But not quite, just the reverse ratios of what I normally see in clubs in my country.

Here’s to the pursuit of the A game.

Guido88

[Firebird]

I too have been researching the forum for a good hotel and was told that both the Corinthia Nevskij Hotel and the Grand Hotel Emerald are good "girl friendly" hotels. Is this true or was I give the wrong information??

I wish this Forum would also have a "hotel" section like the BKK forum

[It Travel]

You'll enjoy St.Pete I am sure.

I am not a hotel expert because I rarely stay there, but my few visits lead me to believe that for lobby girls, it will depend on which hotel you are in... I wouldn't bet the farm on it for Western hotels. Very hit or miss. I've seen lobby girls in the Grand Hotel Europe and the Kempinski Moika 22... in both cases the girls looked 30ish and average. Just as often I've passed the lobby bars and there was nobody there, or the lobby bar was closed after midnight. Hotels with large pro stock is soooo 1998. Times are changing. Not sure about Russian hotels, they may have better and more abundant selection. Most big Russian hotels have 1 bar in the complex which has pros. That said, Russian hotels suck in almost every other way.... especially location. Pribaltskaya and Pulkovskaya for example are nowhere near the center. Oktyabryskaya is... and had pros last time I was there in 2003.

Still, you might get lucky in the lobby bars, even though I am sure the price tag will be about $150-250... so I think any agency (see the St.Pete times) or even better one of the Photomodeli salons could offer you something more affordable and higher quality. Just my 2 cents.

Pribaltskaya and Pulkovskaya are excatly nowhere! Never go there!

One resonable Russian "Business" hotel is Hotel Moskva, but you have to take a better room in the choiche, price around 150 USD/night low season or more up to 250... high season there is "movements" at the bar (usually three/four, and in the lobby too, nothing exceptional but fuckab... No price idea), plus you have the metro at 3 meters from the entrance, and you are at the end of Nevsky Prospekt... Getting a girl to your room is not difficult, just register her and pay the fee.. usually 1 RUR, but she can't sleep so you have to bribe the security as usual... but you can buy a double occupation suite...

IT

PS Just two more cents, perhaps we get up to a dollar!

[Doctor_Skank]

Hi!

I will go to St P fin July for the first time. Heard that in almost every hotellobby there´s girls avaiable. Anyone with an idea if there´s any hotel better than the others?

Niklas

You'll enjoy St.Pete I am sure.

I am not a hotel expert because I rarely stay there, but my few visits lead me to believe that for lobby girls, it will depend on which hotel you are in... I wouldn't bet the farm on it for Western hotels. Very hit or miss. I've seen lobby girls in the Grand Hotel Europe and the Kempinski Moika 22... in both cases the girls looked 30ish and average. Just as often I've passed the lobby bars and there was nobody there, or the lobby bar was closed after midnight. Hotels with large pro stock is soooo 1998. Times are changing. Not sure about Russian hotels, they may have better and more abundant selection. Most big Russian hotels have 1 bar in the complex which has pros. That said, Russian hotels suck in almost every other way.... especially location. Pribaltskaya and Pulkovskaya for example are nowhere near the center. Oktyabryskaya is... and had pros last time I was there in 2003.

Still, you might get lucky in the lobby bars, even though I am sure the price tag will be about $150-250... so I think any agency (see the St.Pete times) or even better one of the Photomodeli salons could offer you something more affordable and higher quality. Just my 2 cents.

[Nicke1961]

Hi!

I will go to St P fin July for the first time. Heard that in almost every hotellobby there´s girls avaiable. Anyone with an idea if there´s any hotel better than the others?

Niklas

[Doctor_Skank]

Guido88, Doc.
I haven't really had any problems in Russia getting bbbj except in salons - I always assumed this was just house rules. I was curious to know if the girls were more relaxed about this with take away service.
Learning not to be nice is quite difficult for many westerners, particularly when our societies are becoming more and more PC. I feel it is more a matter of confidence and its how you ask, not what you ask for. I'm a fairly accomplished chameleon having learnt to do business in many countries and cultures on all continents. I play the English Gentleman card when appropriate and good manners are always appreciated by the ladies (holding a door open is simple, polite and effective). As Doc says this can help those GFE moments.
I agree with general comments that a lot of the girls probably see westerners as a soft touch but I remember way back in the Moscow forum many posts from mongers saying how they got great service and warmth from tochka girls just by being firm but fair with them. This was useful info that I've learnt from - nice doesn't have to mean weak - think benevolent dictator.
The line between Russain male assertiveness and intimidation is a fine one to tread for westerners. I feel that if you have to intimidate someone into doing something they probably won't be happy doing it. For me the key is to remain in control - if the girl ever feels she is in control then its no good trying "not to be nice", she's already sussed your real character.
Just my 2 shots worth.
RC

RC:

You touch on a good point. Assertiveness does work, but one thing that has NEVER worked well for me is being a brute. I tried it out a couple of times and found that it turns most girls off. They either get scared and skittish (and no fun) or counter-aggressive (also no fun).

Assertive, demanding and forward: Absolutely.

Clumsy, thuggish and brutish: Not for me.

As for salons and BBBJ, I've very rarely stayed in a salon for sex. Since the price for takeout is essentially the same, I've always taken her home. This is a St.Pete thing though... for example in Moscow many salons don't offer take out service.

I agree that the main point is maintaining the initiative.

G88:

Being too nice is a no-go, just as chasing after girls is also a no-go. That can turn them off. Applied niceties do work wonders though. Keeping them guessing also keeps them interested. One thing that works really well with the freebies for me is letting them know or at least implying that there are other women in the game. Girls like guys who are popular with other girls. The like trophies just as much as guys do. It isn't all about looks with girls though (we guys tend to focus mostly on that)... equally important are things like status. Status is measured not only by (but often including) money, but a number of other factors. She wants to be able to show you off to her girlfriends or at least brag about you.

Russian women are fiercely competitive with one another. They are constantly trying to one-up each other by comparing holiday photos, the latest fashion purchases and even the status or coolness of their boyfriends, lovers and suitors.

This can help us, if she knows somebody else is after you, she might just switch to her a-game... and as you already know, a Russian girl's a-game can knock your socks off...