Saint Petersburg

[Bbois77]

AlphaTester, as it was my failing to double check and get up your nose, apols, its just that Humsup came to mind as he had uploaded flyers I scanned in for the warsaw section.

Certainly it will be great for newbies plus thsoe who wish to explore every aspect of apartment and indie type encounters in warsaw.

Many thanks, your efforts are equally appreciated!!

Long live LOPA!!

Bois

[AlphaTester]

Your polish tigress sometimes go to Warsaw?

Come and visit WAW, it's nearly half the price of SPB : 1 hour in salon is 100/150zl (26/40 euros), 1 hour in private is 150/300zl (40/80 euros). Top notch girls are not supposed to cost more than 400zl (400zl / 105 euros is nearly considered a scam in WAW) and I found very good ones for 200zl. I go to Warsaw cause I'm such a cheap monger (and I like polish girls!).

[Doctor_Skank]

Doctor Skank,

From what I’ve read, you’re a handsome young man who speaks the lingo. If you can’t come up with decent stats, what chance have I got?

As you say that the performance depends on the chemistry between you and the girl, I gather you don’t interview them beforehand. I definitely would.

- Pictures are an absolute must! No pictures = No money. No exceptions!
- Without DFK, you might as well fuck a plastic doll.
- CBJs are another hallmark of totally insensitive and highly professional putas.

If a middle-aged foreigner who doesn’t speak a word of Russian walks into a salon, picks the hottest girl and asks her if she’ll agree to pictures, DFK & BBBJ, what are the chances of her answering “Da” to all 3 requests? And sticking to the deal!

The hot girls attract plenty of punters, even if they provide lousy service. Foreigners probably aren’t the most popular customers, especially if they don’t speak Russian. And if I start asking awkward questions...”Nyet” all the way, would be my guess.

Loso

Please check Explorer69's recent post.

The stats I indicated by the way are my "guesstimation" of what a newbie going in cold could expect. YMMV.

...Except for the very hardcore, Russian girls are turned off if you start discussing this in advance. And they will refuse most of it.
But if you walk in with the camera and ask for CIM, photos, etc. You will have 99% "Njet".

He's right, asking upfront (the interview) is likely not going to lead to satisfactory results, at least in terms of BBBJ and photos.

You don't really have much opportunity to interview as it were, it's not like a pickup bar, Therme or FKK where the girls lounge around. When you arrive the mamachka greats you and calls the girls in. When the lineup of girls is presented (a bit like an indoor tochka) you'll have 5-8 girls to choose from. They usually only stand there for 1-2 minutes. You can ask questions to the girls or mamachka, but you don't really have a chance to talk to them alone and make private negotiations. Asking for photos and BBBJ in front of everybody else is almost always going to yield a "no"... as most likely it's against salon policy or at the very least, she's not likely to admit that in front of the mamachka or other girls. Especially the new girls are unlikely to admit to doing anything "strange".

Sometimes you can get the mamachka to let you talk to the girls alone and ask about extras, but this isn't really standard... especially if you only speak English.

Still, you can probably get most of what you want. Russian girls in general love to kiss, love oral sex and generally love to fuck. So it doesn't take much to motivate a pro to employ her best female attributes. I always book outcall (go to my apartment) and am not really sure if incall changes the situation at all.

- Without DFK, you might as well fuck a plastic doll.
Loso

DFK:
A friend of mine always asks the mamachka about which girls do DFK and usually gets the answer "up to the girl" at which point he asks to speak to the individual girl. When I have been with him, he usually has been allowed to... but he speaks Russian. Not every girl agreed up front in the salon, but most often though and in my experience as well, if you have a good vibe with the girl (not really that difficult) she'll DFK. When the girl didn't DFK with me, I almost always blame it on myself... and usually blame it on a lack of motivation on my part as sometimes I really could care less about DFK, especially if really tired. It also helps to book 2 hours instead of 1 so you have time to relax and give a massage, drink some booze, chat or whatever and get 2-3 fucks in. As Explorer69 correctly stated, there are no guarantees... but I don't think I've ever had a total dud from a salon.

- Pictures are an absolute must! No pictures = No money. No exceptions!
Loso

Pictures:
I have pictures of the majority of salon girls I've been with. Their pictures appear on the websites and in the brochures from their salon anyway, so they aren't usually camera shy.... at least for lingerie or softporn shots. If you ask them up front, they usually say no... in practice however, they rarely care and many even enjoy it. Hardcore porn is definitely something that varies, but softporn pics are relatively easy to get.

If pictures are your main thing, have you ever considered "mixphoto" for a truly raunchy porn shoot or hiring a model for whatever type of pics you want to take?

DATY:
That truly depends on the girl, it's not standard.

- CBJs are another hallmark of totally insensitive and highly professional putas.
Loso

BBBJ:
As stated above, it's not standard anymore... which doesn't mean it won't happen. You may consider CBJ insensitive or too professional, they consider it a way to stay healthy and in business. Most will do it... I believe presenting them with a clean, trimmed, good-looking cock helps the persuasion process. Like all guys, I agree with you that BBBJ is one of life'S great pleasures.

CIM:
Many of the girls who do BBBJ will ask you not to CIM or CIF. Especially avoid the hair!

Anal:
That truly depends on the girl, it's not standard. Most likely if she does, she'll charge extra.

Maybe it is all a bit too "iffy" for you since there are no guarantees, but if you like sexy white women, St.Pete is really one of the very best gigs around.

What's your usual stomping ground? Brazil? I know most Brazilians are into DFK and often do BBBJ, but do you usually negotiate things like DATY, CIM/CIF and porn pics etc. in advance as well?

[Explorer69]

Doctor Skank,

As you say that the performance depends on the chemistry between you and the girl, I gather you don’t interview them beforehand. I definitely would.

If a middle-aged foreigner who doesn’t speak a word of Russian walks into a salon, picks the hottest girl and asks her if she’ll agree to pictures, DFK & BBBJ, what are the chances of her answering “Da” to all 3 requests? And sticking to the deal!

The hot girls attract plenty of punters, even if they provide lousy service. Foreigners probably aren’t the most popular customers, especially if they don’t speak Russian. And if I start asking awkward questions...”Nyet” all the way, would be my guess.

Loso

I have been a lot in St Peter, I am in the category "middle-aged foreigner who don't speak Russian". I have been with a lot of girls, so prefer if they speak English. Usually there are 1-2 in the salons who do. And sometimes it is surprising how much you can dommunicate witha girl who speaks almost no English if you take it easy and slowly.

I don't take pictures, I don't ask them beforehand what their services are. Except for the very hardcore, Russian girls are turned off if you start discussing this in advance. And they will refuse most of it.

I let things happen, and after a little foreplay from her I start playing with her: massage, DATY, etc. If this is done slowly and naturally, after a couple of DATY-induced orgasms for the girl. And most Russian don't care and don't give orgasms to the working girls. Then the girls are coming back to you with BBBJ, DFK (not usually CIM). And often an intense GFE.

But it is a hit an miss. Sometimes you are disappointed. But this works in 80% of the cases, at least for me. The performance depends greatly on the chemistry you develop.

But if you walk in with the camera and ask for CIM, photos, etc. You will have 99% "Njet".

[Loso69]

For those of you that will be visiting SPB, I've attached a list of salons, compiled from Amur SPB... and transliterated!

Loso

[Loso69]

Doctor Skank,

From what I’ve read, you’re a handsome young man who speaks the lingo. If you can’t come up with decent stats, what chance have I got?

As you say that the performance depends on the chemistry between you and the girl, I gather you don’t interview them beforehand. I definitely would.

- Pictures are an absolute must! No pictures = No money. No exceptions!
- Without DFK, you might as well fuck a plastic doll.
- CBJs are another hallmark of totally insensitive and highly professional putas.

If a middle-aged foreigner who doesn’t speak a word of Russian walks into a salon, picks the hottest girl and asks her if she’ll agree to pictures, DFK & BBBJ, what are the chances of her answering “Da” to all 3 requests? And sticking to the deal!

The hot girls attract plenty of punters, even if they provide lousy service. Foreigners probably aren’t the most popular customers, especially if they don’t speak Russian. And if I start asking awkward questions...”Nyet” all the way, would be my guess.

Loso

[Doctor_Skank]

I’ve never been to Russia, but it’s high on my to-do list. I can get cheap plane tickets to Riga or Tallinn, and can travel by bus to SPB from there. So far, so good. Next was researching the P4P scene. I just finished reading the entire SPB section of the board...and I’m not exactly impressed.

Doctor Skank says the salons are by far the best thing in SPB and maybe even the best thing in all of Russia. Sounds great. But...

- The salons are very difficult to find, especially if you don’t speak a word of Russian.
- The girls generally don’t speak English.

And it gets worse...

- CBJs seem to be salon policy, although some punters report a 50/50 chance.
- DFK isn’t always on the menu either.

The Rus Dosug site, which is in English and offers extensive search possibilities, was a real eye opener.

- A basic search revealed 381 dyevs in SPB. Plenty of choice!
- How many of those allow pictures? 71/381 or 18,6%. For the record, I never fuck a girl without obtaining pictures first.
- How many provide BBBJ? 56/381 or 14,7%. I hate CBJs!
- Finally, how many girls will let you cum in their mouth? 4/381 or 1%. Strangely enough, none of those actually give BBBJs, so the number of girls providing BBBJCIM in SPB is a big fat zero!

Those stats are simply appalling! There are no stats about DFK, but I can’t imagine they would be very impressive either. And without DFK, there is absolutely no chance of a GFE.

What other P4P options are there? Independent escorts advertise on sites like Rus Dosug as well, so they probably don’t provide better service than the apartment girls. The pick-up bars used to be good, but basically suck these days. The hotel girls are expensive and often over the hill. The strip joints have rip-off prices.

Since SPB doesn’t seem to have quality service providers, I think I’ll give it a miss.

There is one interesting option, though. The Mix Photo porn stars! Kudos to Catalyst for realizing many a guy’s dream and posting the most amazing reports. I’m a monger/photographer and not into porn videos, but I’ll make some enquiries anyway.

Loso

Loso, you've obviously read into St.Pete, your report is a pretty good summary of the way it is.

Truth is, as you reported, BBBJ, DFK, DATY and CIM are no longer standard... but actually hasn't been this way for several years now.

Just a rough guess, but I would estimate that the providers allow the above in following percentages:

BBBJ: 50%
DFK: 60%
DATY: 50%
CIM: 25%

That's not a scientific statistic, but more a "gut feeling". Much of what the girl will or will not do is based on whether or not she likes you or not... the vibe. RusDosug's stats are therefore to be seen as a "minimum" percentage.

Generally I have found that freelancers from bars are the most flexible in terms of what they'll do, however salons are the best value in terms of expense and relative beauty. They perform quite well in my opinion... and it's only $100/2 hours! Some of them are true knockouts.

Not speaking Russian is a disadvantage, but speaking is not a must. The salons get plenty of tourists coming in.

I also like all the things you mentioned, I like raunchy sex with CIM etc. I too wish ALL girls were into it, but they are not. I don't think this is just a St.Pete problem though.

Catalyst's reports clued us in to the MixPhoto scene, which sounds very interesting. It's a different price level, but also a "no holds barred" sex experience. If you have the cash and aren't camera shy, a great option. I personally prefer making "home videos", but may very well use MixPhoto on a future trip.

I think you're making a mistake by passing up St.Pete.

[Loso69]

I’ve never been to Russia, but it’s high on my to-do list. I can get cheap plane tickets to Riga or Tallinn, and can travel by bus to SPB from there. So far, so good. Next was researching the P4P scene. I just finished reading the entire SPB section of the board...and I’m not exactly impressed.

Doctor Skank says the salons are by far the best thing in SPB and maybe even the best thing in all of Russia. Sounds great. But...

- The salons are very difficult to find, especially if you don’t speak a word of Russian.
- The girls generally don’t speak English.

And it gets worse...

- CBJs seem to be salon policy, although some punters report a 50/50 chance.
- DFK isn’t always on the menu either.

The Rus Dosug site, which is in English and offers extensive search possibilities, was a real eye opener.

- A basic search revealed 381 dyevs in SPB. Plenty of choice!
- How many of those allow pictures? 71/381 or 18,6%. For the record, I never fuck a girl without obtaining pictures first.
- How many provide BBBJ? 56/381 or 14,7%. I hate CBJs!
- Finally, how many girls will let you cum in their mouth? 4/381 or 1%. Strangely enough, none of those actually give BBBJs, so the number of girls providing BBBJCIM in SPB is a big fat zero!

Those stats are simply appalling! There are no stats about DFK, but I can’t imagine they would be very impressive either. And without DFK, there is absolutely no chance of a GFE.

What other P4P options are there? Independent escorts advertise on sites like Rus Dosug as well, so they probably don’t provide better service than the apartment girls. The pick-up bars used to be good, but basically suck these days. The hotel girls are expensive and often over the hill. The strip joints have rip-off prices.

Since SPB doesn’t seem to have quality service providers, I think I’ll give it a miss.

There is one interesting option, though. The Mix Photo porn stars! Kudos to Catalyst for realizing many a guy’s dream and posting the most amazing reports. I’m a monger/photographer and not into porn videos, but I’ll make some enquiries anyway.

Loso

[Catalyst]

I can say only what price form 150 to 500 for models. But I very many speak with peoples and some peoples want very different things. Somebody want just have hardcore with model (models), other anal, atm, creampie, dv, dp, gungbung with 5 man. Its real, but I'will mistake if say you what cost it, because I not know you requirement.

I can confirm that the prices Elena is quoting are accurate. If, like me, you don't want to pay 500 for a model there is a good selection of girls who don't charge the highest prices. As I indicated earlier I paid $4,000 for 7 shoots with 11 girls, including several gangbangs. That included all costs except my airfare, apartment, and meals. If you just want straight sex with one girl at a time you will pay less.

Lena,

I wouldn't send girls to Guy #2. He will be unhappy and complain. The girls won't like him. You will be unhappy. Everyone will be unhappy.

[Tits_Lover]

Yeah we do but we also want to know prices for each girls. I want to know the facts that provide the basis for how everything as executed. Erotic stories are nice but I am too old to fantasize. I need to do a cost analaysis and you never discuss the prices for each girls.

Instead of screaming and crying .... read his previous report. You will get all you need. He explained already everything about prices and health issues.
Catalyst is just what we all can call friendly a " lucky bastard" Without offense for him HE has the guts and the money to do what many men can only dream. Give him all the credits and keep dreaming
TL

[Garden Gnome]

Don't know in USD as I always pay in roubles. In addition, with the decrease of the USD in the recent years, the price increase should be even more significant.

Presently, the going rate is about 2000 to 2500 RUR an hour in the majority of salons I know, with a couple at 3000 RUR. It was about 1500 RUR a few years ago.

Since February 2007 when I last checked their price for my next visit, Amsterdam, Babochka, Elis, Tsum, Golden Lotus for example have increased the hourly rate of some of their salons from 2000 RUR to 2500 RUR.

Jim

On the other hand. The number of visits to Russia decreased from 7 million in 1997 to 2. 3 million in 2005. Maybe the internal (local customers) market is growing. Anyway, it is an interesting contradiction, or just Russian business logics.

[Elena Exbi]

Hi,

Thank you for your comments but do you really think that the picture of the girls you see in these internet sites are true?

On our site you can see really girls. But they available only for shoots, not for escort.

If you interest shoots with russian porn star you can ask me about detail..

[Guido88]

ASH1001

I agree with Doc. Take the walk and graduate to the salons. The quality can be outstanding. Do a salon in the afternoon, then look for other options at night.

The Magrib is pretty questionable. Most of us are going to have a hard time getting the $150 price Doc does. He has the advantage of being young, good-looking and fairly fluent. The little Brunette Doc mentions is both sweet and cute as I remember. Be a good idea to get her number.

Look for these 2 magazines at the newsstands. http://www.randevu.su/ http://zdv.ru/ These will give you access to many salons in town.

Thanks and credit to GandJim for posting the above links for the Magazines.

Good luck

Guido88

[Doctor_Skank]

Lukasek, Guido and Luchino: info much appreciated.

I'll definitely try Magrib as I really just go for the disco/take out thing. I have yet to 'graduate' to salons. I guess you've got to be really unlucky for there not to be at least one hottie in such a place?

Prices in St Pete = Moscow - 20% ?

Ash101:

I really think you should try the salons in addition to Magrib... they are by far the best thing in St.Pete and maybe even the best thing in all of Russia. As a testimony to this, when I am in Moscow for example I focus almost entirely on fucking freebies... in St.Pete I do most of my fucking with pros, mostly from the salons. Very high value in my opinion.

In terms of picklup bars, there isn't a Boarhouse/BF equivalent. As Guido said, Marstalls/Tribunal are lousy. Tribunal moved to the center by the way, but haven't seen any action there.

Magrib is still the best option in terms of pickup bars for pros... but can be frustrating. Often lots of eye candy to get you hot, but you'll soon discover that much of them are just locals out for some fun with their friends and most of the normal girls quite unapproachable... at least in terms of easy quick sex. Basically the only working girls these days are the ones sitting at the bar. There are actually two bars in the club (not the restaurant, NO action there!) ... the first bar is traditionally the ho bar. Still give it a shot though and be social. The girls will let you know soon enough if they are working. I really haven't enjoyed Magrib since about 2002. It's "almost" a normal night club now, and not a very good one at that.

By the way, if you go into the club and can't seem to find any girls and you haven't paid the entrance fee... then you aren't in the club yet... you are still in the restaurant.

As for salons, there are many... and if you aren't up to the challenge of finding one on your own yet, ask a taxi driver. May cost you an extra 500 rubles, but will be worth it. Quality much higher than the girls in Magrib, + more selection. The taxi drivers outside of Magrib are bandits, but they do know where the salons are and can take you there. Trust me. And agree on a price up front with the driver. There are salons literally 3 or 4 minutes WALKING distance away from Magrib, so even at bandit prices 300-500 rubles should do it with the Magrib cab mafia. Normal price would be 100 rubles for a short trip, but gypsy taxis may not know where to go... so you are better off taking a real taxi and then remembering where the salon is. I prefer fotomodeli salons.

If that still doesn't work for you, I can give you the number of a dark-haired English-speaking pro that I met in Magrib a while back... she's only OK looking, but friendly, has a nice soft curvy body and speaks English very well. You can also try any of the numerous websites/dating sites etc for additional contacts.

Prices in St.Pete:

Salon: $120/2 hours incall or outcall
Magrib: about $150/2-4 hours

As for clubs, the other guys were on the money. Decadance and Arena. Rossis is also good, especially Thursday as Guido said.

[Ash1001]

Lukasek, Guido and Luchino: info much appreciated.

I'll definitely try Magrib as I really just go for the disco/take out thing. I have yet to 'graduate' to salons. I guess you've got to be really unlucky for there not to be at least one hottie in such a place?

Prices in St Pete = Moscow - 20% ?