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[Street Sleuth]

I would more or less have to agree with Dr. Skank.

Russians aren't, at their core, mean people - just on a supeficial level, they are more abrupt and rude (by Western standards). Privacy also is not nearly as respected as it is in the West (though I find the same problem in Southern European cultures - Spain, Italy, Greece etc).

As far as the extreme notions that you wouldn't get help if you had a flat tire, or they'd pass you by if you were on the ground - nonsense. On that level, Russians are at least as helpful as any other people.

I also agree that thier core persona is driven by a lot of different things which we have a hard time relating to - fate and superstition (they can be ridiculously supersticious, and take their supersticions very seriously).

Furthermor, it is a Western standard to be overly friendly with strangers (strictly on a superficial level), whereas, for Russians, they see no compelling reason to act bubbly and feign happiness with strangers.

As for the women being sexually unfaithful - I agree this is true with a relatively high percentage of Russian women, but certainly not with all of them, and I think it is blatantly obvious which women would (or wouldn't) cheat on a guy. If you can't naturally sense this from a woman's behavior/personality, you're in for a lot of trouble in dealing with the opposite sex - in Russia, China, or Timbuktoo for that matter....

[Doctor_Skank]

I don't know about the perception of Russian through western eyes, but through Asian eyes (yep, I'm Asian), I agree with Drifter 39 that they can be most friendly.

I have been many times to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine and find that Russians are spontaneoulsy generous and helpful people.

On the other hand, in the US, people are less friendly but are also helpful in a different way. They are very well organised. One time, I went dizzy in a mall because of low blood pressure. I think I scared the persons next to me so they jumped away when I reached out for they arms. But after I felt, immediately a few people took their hand phone and called some emergency number. They then stayed in circle around me to make sure nobody would walk on me by accident (I didn't like some of them taking photos with their camera-phone though). After a few minutes, a medic came with all the equipment necessary. That was fast and efficient. In some other countries (I won't name because I don't want to start a flame war), I would just have been left lying there like a dog, with people kicking me when they pass by thinking I'm a dirty drunk beggar.

PS: I don't wanna say that all Russian people are nice. I was scared to death by some skinheads in St-Pete a few years ago, but I was scared more than once in the US too.

Russians have split personalities. They can go from jovial and friendly to berserk and hateful very quickly... they are very emotional people. Very emotional... much more so than Americans or most Europeans, who look at life in a logical fashion. Russians tend to follow their almost childishly naive instinct. These emotions, combined with their belief in fate and tragedy make the women wonderful lovers... and quite easy to convince to follow the passion of the moment.

I wouldn't characterise them as overly friendly though, especially not in the cities. Service is lousy in all but the best restaurants, smiles on the sidewalk or in the metro are almost non-existent and the language itself can be horribly rude. How many times have Russian vets seem Russians, male and female alike, just yell something at a perfect stranger without saying pardon or please? Happens all the time and isn't considered anti-social in Russia.... but from a Western point of view seems totally rude.

They however have their own set of rules... like it is considered very rude to turn down an offer for tea or food at someone's home... or to wear your shoes in someone's apartment.

One scene I'll never forget was riding the metro one evening. A totally drunk young man was sitting across from me slouched over. Everybody was looking at him, but as usual no one said a word in the metro as the train rattled from station to station. At some point the guy got sick and started throwing up in the train. Nobody moved or said anything. After the guy was done throwing up, he apologized solemnly for not controlling himself and an old lady kindly handed him a tissue while saying nothing... the rest of the car said nothing as well and did their best to mind their own business.

I couldn't decide if the drunk's apology, the old lady's kindness or the fact that this must happen so often in trains that nobody thought anything of it impressed me more...

Essentially speaking though, Russians really can be very friendly... but go violent just as quickly. They are emotional, passionate people. I wouldn't really trust the women (I have screwed dozens of married women, girls with fiancees, local and foreign boyfriends etc. without really trying that hard... they seemed to feel no real shame in doing it either) but I can confess that I really adore their passionate, unpredictable nature... at least when expressed by their women... who despite their nature are very loyal (but maybe not faithful) and loving as well. I couldn't find any better women anywhere... at least for me. I am not looking to marry one either though...

And I love the way they party... with an indescribable childish passion... like high school kids... loads of fun...

[Ash1001]

Due to my work next week I have to fly to Nizhniy Novgorod. In this forum there are very few info about this very important city and it seems me very strange. Can someone help me giving the right info?

The only thing I know about Nizhny Novgorod (formerly Gorky) is that the model Natalia Vodianova was discovered there running a fruit stand.

I'd be really curious to know what the local dyevs are like if girls of that quality must resort to selling produce to make a living Then again that was the mid 90s.

My guess is that if you stay in one of the better hotels in town you'll have no problem meeting WGs in the bar. Or have a friendly word with the concierge. Best of all, get to know a youngish, with-it taxi driver and share his local knowledge.

But DO check out the regular nightlife, and give us a full and detailed summary of:
1) Which places had the best girls (freebies and/or WGs)
2) Their friendliness/availability
3) Prices (for WGs), drinks/meals expenditure (for 'free' girls)

Although I guess if you're not going to be there for long you won't have time to focus on the freebie scene?

I'm curious as I have long term plans to 'do' the Russian provinces including Murmansk, Kaliningrad, Samara, Tomsk, Novosibirsk etc. Damn, if only TIME grew on trees..

[Hat Trick]

I don't know about the perception of Russian through western eyes, but through Asian eyes (yep, I'm Asian), I agree with Drifter 39 that they can be most friendly.

Jim, thanks for the stories bud. I agree with your points and conclusions. I know there are good and bad in every country and race, and every country needs a Luke Skywalker now and then, some more than others.

But I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions, I guess I'm drifting off topic here. Maybe I should find the right forum in the online universe and seek my answer elsewhere.

Thanks anyways guys.

HT

[GandJim]

But what I was looking for here was what people think about Russians, what are the negative perceptions of Russians on the whole through western eyes.

I don't know about the perception of Russian through western eyes, but through Asian eyes (yep, I'm Asian), I agree with Drifter 39 that they can be most friendly.

I have been many times to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine and find that Russians are spontaneoulsy generous and helpful people. As an example, I always have difficulty walking in the winter when it snows or is icy. If I slip (and I slip regularly), the person next to me immediately try to hold me back. If I fall, 2-3 persons immediately tried to help me standing up again, brushing the snow of my coat and handing me their bottle of vodka for a sip. Some old ladies always advise me to buy new shoes and showed me the nearest shop (with their hands, I don't speak Russian).

In restaurants, on more than one occasion, people at the table next to mine offer me a glass of vodka or ask me to taste a bit of their meal with their broken English "Tourist? Not eat that. Try Russian speciality. Very good!! Try!!!". Problem is that sometimes you are forced to eat things which do not really look tasty and can't leave before having drunk at least 5 glasses of vodka.

On the other hand, in the US, people are less friendly but are also helpful in a different way. They are very well organised. One time, I went dizzy in a mall because of low blood pressure. I think I scared the persons next to me so they jumped away when I reached out for they arms. But after I felt, immediately a few people took their hand phone and called some emergency number. They then stayed in circle around me to make sure nobody would walk on me by accident (I didn't like some of them taking photos with their camera-phone though). After a few minutes, a medic came with all the equipment necessary. That was fast and efficient. In some other countries (I won't name because I don't want to start a flame war), I would just have been left lying there like a dog, with people kicking me when they pass by thinking I'm a dirty drunk beggar.

In restaurants, nobody shared anything with me, but I must say I eat mostly in McDonald and drink coke, so there ain't much room for suggesting something local.

So each country has its good points. I guess you just have to look at the positive side of things.

Jim

PS: I don't wanna say that all Russian people are nice. I was scared to death by some skinheads in St-Pete a few years ago, but I was scared more than once in the US too.

[Drifter 39]

Hat trick, we can see that after all you Yankees are pretty laid back people Thats why I like Americans. In individual level you are very ok.

I know I can be provocative sometimes. I can be also the same from 180 degrees direction. Its all about media blast.

[Andy Cap]

Ciao folks,

Due to my work next week I have to fly to Nizhniy Novgorod. In this forum there are very few info about this very important city and it seems me very strange. Can someone help me giving the right info? come on, please not be jealous about your info, and if you want, please give only private info too and I promise to be reservate. What I need is simple: where to go and the places to avoid to ... I am sure you know what I need.

Thanks in advance for you help amd I will promise that, when I will come back I will write a report about this large russian city.

Ciao

[Hat Trick]

I just have to answer Hat Tricks comments about different people in those three countries he mentioned. Russia, China and USA. He seems to be Yankee boy himself, so his view cannot be all the way in realism with his home land........

Thanks for the post Drifter39. I knew Americans nowadays get bad press around the world, but I had no idea the wounds were so deep.

So easy to stirr up stereotypical anti-american semitism these days. I won't touch it with a 10ft pole. I guessed I asked for it.

But what I was looking for here was what people think about Russians, what are the negative perceptions of Russians on the whole through western eyes.

What exactly is this fucked up mentality and sorry outlook on life people are talking about? Pinpoint it please. Examples. I know you all got stories.

Appreciated.

HT

[Drifter 39]

I just have to answer Hat Tricks comments about different people in those three countries he mentioned. Russia, China and USA. He seems to be Yankee boy himself, so his view cannot be all the way in realism with his home land.

So Russians; They can be really rude or most friendly. One really cannot allways see where it comes from. But language barrier plays a big role. I have heard they stop to make major rebuild on tourist's broken car in middle of nowhere. They can also invite you to their home and put table full of food and drinks. Can be everything they have but they share it.

On the other hand, some guys simply punch your nose side of your head, when ever they see you in some provincial towns... Especially if they know you work in their town. Even worse if you really work work eg. being construction worker can be bad, you eat their food...

Chinese are most curious people, they come to every site, just to see what is going on.

And last, Americans! I never saw anybody stopping to help foeigner with tires. Its bull shit. You have been teached that never stop to help unknown people, it can be harmful, they can be bad people. Americans are most scary people on earth that I know. I have lived there many years. Their car doors automatically locks after starting. So much they think other people on the road.

In Finland its criminal not to stop in accident site. You need to help other people. In America you get lawsuit if you try to help. If this person suffers anything afterwards and he will come to you with sleazy lawyers from his insurance company. Thats how I was told by my American work mate when we hit the car crash accident on highway. We just called 911 and sat there watching.

And media. Dont you know where these guys took their media courses? In America, most advantaged propaganda machines can be found there. It was awesome to watch how America prepared war in Iraq. Suddenly religion took much bigger part in media and terrosits where all over, biological attacks by Iraqi terrorists can happen in Times Square in given day now. We need to attack first and so on.

We Americans are innocent, pure and teamed up for all good against all evil and black in this world. And thats why everything we do is categorically ok. Even it may look bloody messy from distance by people who does not know and even worse, does not care!!!

So, no wonder lots of Americans seriously does not understand why they are not liked around the world. We do so much for the world!?? Its media blast, same blast blows in Nebraska, same in Udmurtia

But Americans are very much ok, Russians too. Chinese are mostly ok too but too much in numbers )

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[James 006]

I would like to know the rates for 1 session-whole night for the pro girls in Murmansk.
You guys who have been around in Murmansk for some time, what do you pay?
Don't like to use more than nesseserry.

Thanks!

Hey,
Its 5 years cince I was in Murmansk, I guess things are changed a lot.
Is there any Strip tease clubs? Can you take the girls to the room?
Is there any escorte service. Someone with any web adresse?

What do you pay the girls to go to your room?

All information is welcome. Thank you!

[Utchitel]

I would like to thank all the members who answered to my message. Your answers were all very interesting and helpful.

Bez, your are a tough teacher but I feel that you are right. I really must at least try to approach, whatever the results. I even can't use the language excuse anymore as my Russian is not so bad now.

You will probably find my question silly but anyway I need to ask it. What kind of opening lines do you like to use when you approach Russian girls during the day (in the streets,shops)? Could you give examples? I really don't know what to say first.

[Bez Bezarra]

This is a strange story, if it is true.

You knew ahead of time that even in a city the size of Briansk, of 400,000, that your lack of russian speaking would severely limit how many new girlfriends you'd have.

Though after 6 fucking months, even if the only words you know are "Privyet suka!", by now you should be hooked up.

Somebody's always seducing somebody, its like the national pastime. Unless you're really interesting, why would anyone care less about your affairs?

We're not gonna feel sorry for you being lonely, since you're over there. If you were in the US, well ok we could understand. But the provinces? You could get off your dumb ass and go bang some hot tail where you are, but we're shut out here with these stuck up greedy ice cubes.

Hey fuck man, YOU should feel sorry for US!

I have retracted my poor choice of comments. Thus, under reconsideration, read above.

[Hat Trick]

Spend more than 6th months there, and your brain will rot with the fcked up mentality that Russians have, and their outlook of life... not even constant pussy can save your butt there, it's time to get out!

Svenson75,

Can you elaborate a little on this Russian mentality you're so fond of, especially proviancial folks?

I was in a RFE town for about a week, with what the news media is trying blast to the citizens everyday, it really had a eerie feeling of Gotham City without Batman.

What is this mentality you're talking about? What is their outlook on life? Please enlighten us.

I've driven through Nevada and California desert towns before, they're alright. I've been to provincial Chinese countryside too, I felt okay. Somehow I just don't think the Russians will get out of their cars to help with your tires or invite you in for a cup of tea even as a gesture.

why is that? Just part of their culutre? Is it nature or nurture? Interesting.

HT

[Member #4378]

Hello everyone!

I decided to write on this forum for the first time as I was very impressed by the deep knowledge of the Russian women psychology showed especially by DocSkank but by other members as well.

Your help would be very much appreciated!

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It would be much easier to score if you were a student. As a teacher, you can try to introduce students to your culture. I would suggest a small party in your place with a few delicatess from France and a movie (or something else) for the beginning. Ask students to bring friends. You can target the friends since you can anger the students by treating them not equally (especially, if it becomes very obvious).

[Doctor_Skank]

Hello everyone!

I decided to write on this forum for the first time as I was very impressed by the deep knowledge of the Russian women psychology showed especially by DocSkank but by other members as well.

I have been working in a provincial Russian town (Briansk) as a French teacher since September of last year. I teach in the local state university. My relations with colleagues and students are difficult. I come from France. They look at me as if I came from another planet though I speak Russian at a basic level. They seem to be afraid of me. As far as I know I am the only westerner who is living in this town. There are a few Americans but they are all religious missionaries.

I feel completely lonely here after 6 months. I had a fling with a high school teacher but it was by luck and I was not very interested by her anyway. It is all the more frustrating as there are so many very beautiful girls everywhere in this city (especially in the university where I teach but I can’t do anything here of course). It was a big surprise for me as I know some Russians in France and they are much friendlier than the locals here.

I would like to do some approaches here but Briansk is a small town. Everyday I see by chance some students/colleagues. If I start to approach like this I am afraid that I will be very quickly notice. It would be much easier if I was here just for a few weeks I guess but I am living in this city.

It would be the same problem if I tried to seduce some of my beautiful students I suppose. At the beginning I thought that they (almost all girls) will naturally socialize with me as it was always like that in my previous teaching experiences abroad. But nothing happened. At the end of the lesson they leave the classroom without asking any questions. It is strange since French is their main subject and I am the only native in town. It would be in their interest to socialize with me, no? If I make propositions, especially after 6 months, I would look very desperate. I am the main culprit I know. I probably should have tried to socialize with them first during the first days but I thought mistakenly that it would be easier for them to approach me.

On the other hand I must fight this terrible loneliness (the only sms and calls that I receive on my mobile phone come from France!) and frustration, so I feel I have nothing to lose anymore. I can’t believe that I feel lonelier in Russia than in France with all those beautiful women around, especially after reading some of the amazing reports on this forum, but it is a crude fact. What would you advise me to do? I don’t like the bar/disco scene and I don’t have enough money for the pros so the only possibility for me would be to meet women during the day, but which lines could I use to start a conversation? Do you think it could be a real problem if some colleagues/students notice me approaching? As I wrote above, Briansk is like a big village so the probablity is high.

Your help would be very much appreciated!

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Salut!

You said it already yourself, but the main culprit is yourself. If you can't approach women, then you are out of luck. As you know, Russian girls don't approach men... at least not very often.

Russian students are desperate for fun. Offer them any chance at entertainment and they'll jump on it. You have a lot of opportunities... the kind most members here would be insanely jealous of. I understand you don't have much money and are lonely. So your job must not be that great (no offense)... this also means that you shouldn't worry much about losing it!

My suggestion, just a spontaneous thought... why not invite a girl to watch a French film in your apartment? Or if you think this is too forward, invite a few girls at once... serve some wine and cheese and make a French night out of it. Surely you can pick up a French language DVD somewhere in Briansk. Any level of intimacy you can achieve is progress... and seeing girls in a private setting will tell you a lot more about them than in your classroom.

Ultimately of course you want to meet girls alone. All it takes is confidence.

Bez might have said it in a "Bez-o-matic" kind of way, but ultimately he is right. You need some balls. I'm sure you have some, put them to use!

The French are reputed romantics and lovers... why not show the girls this?

As soon as you achieve any level of relationship outside the classroom with them, you should see other opportunities open. Main point is, YOU will have to make the first move, YOU will have to make the innuendo leading to other opportunities. Chances are, you'll receive responses you can work on.

Personally I cannot imagine any easier way to score pussy than teaching young studentki. Go for it man!