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[Andalus Expat]

Adding onto my last post, now https://www.destacamos.net/ is available too.

So that means the two largest sites are now accessible without a VPN. More girls will probably follow also. pasion.com was the best of the best, hopefully they come up with a solution also?

https://www.nuevoloquo.ch/

https://www.destacamos.net/

Not sure if the owners think the government will block them or if this really is a long term solution. I think the vote on the prostitution ban is coming up soon also?

Also, a nice bonus is that if you look at any old link that does not load without a vpn from either of these sites, if you replace the .COM for nuevoloquo with .CH or .COM for destacamos with .NET the page will load.

For example:

https://www.nuevoloquo.com/escort/barcelona/carol-guapa-peque-a-dulzura-recibo-sola/535928/
https://www.destacamos.com/780958-chicas-escorts-navarra-602013408-contactos/details.html

Does not work in Spain

But

https://www.destacamos.net/780958-chicas-escorts-navarra-602013408-contactos/details.html
https://www.nuevoloquo.ch/escort/barcelona/carol-guapa-peque-a-dulzura-recibo-sola/535928/

Does... same exact ad.

It's a bit hard to see the logic behind the move from a dotCom domain to a dotNet, since the new site's still registered in the Balearic Isles & thus still under Spanish legal jurisdiction. In due course the government's likely to put the same redirect on this one as it did with the dotCom. Make more sense to register the site outside Spain & better outside the EU altogether. US registration would make it protected by the 1st Amendment. Government could theoretically still get the Spanish ISP's to block it but that could raise several legal problems. Registering a site in the US is easy enough. I've one of mine registered there. Just requires a US address & phone number. Cell will suffice. Unless they've they've cloned the dotCom site to the dotNet & have plans for the dotCom along those lines.

As BaltiX says, it political bullshit of particularly low grade. Hard to wonder why they bother except in the sense of "This site is offensive! Something should be done!" "We hear you. This is something". It's the interweb FFS! Nothing is blockable because there's always a way around the blocking. It was designed like that.

[BaltiX]

I wouldn't worry too much. The owners of those websites probably knows more what's going on behind the scenes in the Spanish parliament than we do. In the end it's all just political bullshit.

[Jon32]

Adding onto my last post, now https://www.destacamos.net/ is available too.

So that means the two largest sites are now accessible without a VPN. More girls will probably follow also. pasion.com was the best of the best, hopefully they come up with a solution also?

https://www.nuevoloquo.ch/

https://www.destacamos.net/

Not sure if the owners think the government will block them or if this really is a long term solution. I think the vote on the prostitution ban is coming up soon also?

Also, a nice bonus is that if you look at any old link that does not load without a vpn from either of these sites, if you replace the .COM for nuevoloquo with .CH or .COM for destacamos with .NET the page will load.

For example:

https://www.nuevoloquo.com/escort/barcelona/carol-guapa-peque-a-dulzura-recibo-sola/535928/
https://www.destacamos.com/780958-chicas-escorts-navarra-602013408-contactos/details.html

Does not work in Spain

But

https://www.destacamos.net/780958-chicas-escorts-navarra-602013408-contactos/details.html
https://www.nuevoloquo.ch/escort/barcelona/carol-guapa-peque-a-dulzura-recibo-sola/535928/

Does... same exact ad.

[Jon32]

https://www.nuevoloquo.ch/

Looks like nuevoloquo is back without the need for a VPN.

Wonder how long or if the spanish goverment can block this for the country? I suppose they can just tell the internet providors to not allow this address.

So I'm wondering maybe the lawyers at nuevoloquo know something that they'd attempt to put the site back up with the. Ch domain name?

[Hargow20]

Is there any pace where one can find cheap or reasonably priced BJ's with good looking girls? One of things I hate about online escorts is that you cannot negotiate for specific services.

[Jon32]

The Destacamos.com escort advertising site has been unavailable since yesterday morning. If you're in Spain, your browser may display a site security certificate warning but if you try the domain via a VPN from a US IP address, you'll see a suspension notice issued by the Spanish Consumer Ministry.

I do have a great sympathy for the girls. Already I've received several Whatsapps from girls had my number, obviously plying for hire. The ones it's going to hit particularly hard are the migratory ones move from town to town. They may have rocked up in some city hoping to work & found they've no way of getting work & no money for accommodation or onward travel. They'll be hungry & on the streets. Very sad.

All sites are working with VPN for me (and I am using a US IP address with my VPN). See image attached.

If all these sites can just put a simple "how to" on the top, it's so easy.

I mean it sucks there is no question about it. But to circumvent it all you need to do is download Opera browser, click VPN in the top left and you can see everything.

Once this becomes second nature to use a vpn (we have to explain to the girls how to do it, it's so easy), I would imagine things would be 'normal' until there is another step in the crackdown (I. E. Making it 100% illegal).

[BaltiX]

I didn't see a warning message when I accessed Destacamos.com without VPN in the USA. I found out earlier today that the Minister responsible for Consumer Affairs, Alberto Garzóand, has resigned and quit politics. Source (in Spanish):https://www.libremercado.com/2023-11...nsumo-7070838/.

[Andalus Expat]

The Destacamos.com escort advertising site has been unavailable since yesterday morning. If you're in Spain, your browser may display a site security certificate warning but if you try the domain via a VPN from a US IP address, you'll see a suspension notice issued by the Spanish Consumer Ministry.

That's going to be causing serious problems for the girls, because Destacamos took over as their favoured site when Pasion closed. Loquosex & Scompi are still running normally but I just got a browser site certificate warning on Mileroticos, so looks like that one's been embargoed as well. As yet not displaying the Consumer Ministry warning on VPN but that may come. So it looks like the Spanish Government have escalated their War On Prostitution & are blocking sites that were attempting with their content to stay within the letter of the law. Whether this action would survive an appeal to the law courts is an interesting proposition. But you'd need very deep pockets to initiate lawfare with government lawyers & that could take months if not years.

So what happens now? The women may try to migrate their advertising to the still functioning sites. But they're neither particularly bright not internet literate. The last migration from Pasion to Destacamos took over a month for them to get their acts together & a lot dropped out along the way. And there's no guarantee those sites will survive. The Min of Cul may just be working through from the most to the least popular. I see that some of the Barcelona sites like www.sexomercadobcn.com are still untroubled but how long that will last?

I do have a great sympathy for the girls. Already I've received several Whatsapps from girls had my number, obviously plying for hire. The ones it's going to hit particularly hard are the migratory ones move from town to town. They may have rocked up in some city hoping to work & found they've no way of getting work & no money for accommodation or onward travel. They'll be hungry & on the streets. Very sad.

[Andalus Expat]

With the fragile government they have (their partners are pro-separtist parties who support prostitution) it's going to very difficult to try again.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. Precarious governments are always dangerous because their sole interest is staying in power. Policies take second place. It's just the sort of issue they might give ground to some small, unrepresentative, group in the Cortes to gain support on some other matter more important to them. Way politics works.

[BaltiX]

Some people in local BCN forum fear the government will block everything including their forum, but I have doubts. I read those websites went down because of technical reasons. Like I said before the PSOE adapted woke ideology from overseas (mainly from USA) and try to impose it on Spain. It's not the same party that decriminalized prostitution back in mid 1990's. Why they became woke I don't know. Perhaps they want to re-imagine the party to fit the 21st century. Or want to appease the feminist lobbyists. There are people who can answer better. They tried to ban prostitution earlier, but it never happened. With the fragile government they have (their partners are pro-separtist parties who support prostitution) it's going to very difficult to try again.

[Jon32]

Well now I am using Opera with their built in VPN to access nuevoloquo and destacamos. Which is unfucking believable, is this fucking North Korea?

How fucking stupid of this government. Instead of tax it, make it legal, give the girls healthcare and retirement. They push it underground where it's GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.

Attached is an image of the recommended VPNs to use to access the sites. Was incredibly easy to use Opera and their free VPN so hopefully it doesn't turn away too many girls.

What are everyone's thoughts on them passing legislation to make it 100% illegal?

[BaltiX]

You're quite correct. My bad. Looking it up, the eurogirlsescort.com domain is registered to an address in Praha, Czech Republic. Similar to Pasion.com, which was registered to a Paris, France address.

The problem with advertising is not necessarily the domicile of the site but monetising the service that pays for it. As Internationalsexguide found out when the card companies (Visa / Mastercard / Amex) withdrew its money transmission facilities. It's likely what did for Pasion. Pasion largely relied on its advertisers paying cash for their adverts via ATM machines & no doubt the Spanish banks withdrew the facility. But like ISG, the amounts of money involved would be trivial. But neither the banks nor the card companies are likely to defund the entirety of the world's sex industry to appease a few Spanish politicians. The turnovers are in hundreds of billions. The profits for the companies in billions. So the answer to Spanish puta advertising is don't advertise from Spain but from somewhere else. Of course there's always the problem of regional domain blocking by the ISPs. But that's what VPNs were invented for.

I bet the people who owns those websites are strongly "connected".

[Andalus Expat]

Funny thing is that prostitution is completely illegal in Lithuania.

You're quite correct. My bad. Looking it up, the eurogirlsescort.com domain is registered to an address in Praha, Czech Republic. Similar to Pasion.com, which was registered to a Paris, France address.

The problem with advertising is not necessarily the domicile of the site but monetising the service that pays for it. As Internationalsexguide found out when the card companies (Visa / Mastercard / Amex) withdrew its money transmission facilities. It's likely what did for Pasion. Pasion largely relied on its advertisers paying cash for their adverts via ATM machines & no doubt the Spanish banks withdrew the facility. But like ISG, the amounts of money involved would be trivial. But neither the banks nor the card companies are likely to defund the entirety of the world's sex industry to appease a few Spanish politicians. The turnovers are in hundreds of billions. The profits for the companies in billions. So the answer to Spanish puta advertising is don't advertise from Spain but from somewhere else. Of course there's always the problem of regional domain blocking by the ISPs. But that's what VPNs were invented for.

[BaltiX]

After making the previous post it occurred that probably the best advertising platforms for girls in Spain would be sites that aren't registered in Spain & labouring under Spanish restrictions. Eurogirls I've already mentioned. I think that's registered in Lithuania & carries full body naked photos & lists services. That does attract some of the high end girls so be prepared for eye watering prices. Although more devious amongst us will the same girls advertising on Destacamos, sometimes with different names & phone numbers, at lower prices. So we know which number to contact, don't we? Another & much neglected site is the Spanish section of the UK's Adultwork. Currently infested with Brit women of often advanced years asking ridiculous rates. A mug trap for the uninformed. Adultwork does have some stiff validation requirements for advertisers & customer feedback which would be a challenge to girls who are accustomed to the Spanish practises of lying & false photos but is why it's become the UK's go to prossie resource.

And lastly, there is this site's Classified Adverts. Which could have enormous potential. I did, some years ago, put an advert for a girl in that section & she received a veritable deluge of enquiries & clients off the back of it. I had another couple of girls I wanted to place ads for. They can't do it for themselves because they can't handle doing the registration in English. Both attempts were blocked by the site itself. Why? Two guesses. Either the repeated use of the same IP address or a cookie was tripping a spam filter. Or using separate e-mail account registrations but carried on the same domain was doing the same. Since I would have had to manage the adverts on their behalf I was using e-mail accounts generated out of a web domain I own, where I have easy access to them as administrator, rather than having to repeatedly log in & out of multiple gmail accounts & all the problems that can cause. Maybe this board's Administration could supply some input. It does seem a shame that what could be a valuable resource of information, ISG's Classified Ads / Spain, gets so little use. Especially as the advantages of paid membership for advertisers would generate site income. If it was successful, it would be possible to leverage up to full paid for banner ads linking to an external site. As we are having to cope with, there is currently a considerable advertising deficit for punters visiting Spain. The girls would certainly benefit from it.

Funny thing is that prostitution is completely illegal in Lithuania. Escort-Advisor is more popular in Italy than Spain. As for the advertising ban I think what working girls and the groups that represent them should do next is try to lobby to get the advertising ban repealed or take it to their Supreme Court. The PSOE is still in power for now, but they don't control the senate and they are the mercy of the pro-separatist groups, who support prostitution.

[Andalus Expat]

After making the previous post it occurred that probably the best advertising platforms for girls in Spain would be sites that aren't registered in Spain & labouring under Spanish restrictions. Eurogirls I've already mentioned. I think that's registered in Lithuania & carries full body naked photos & lists services. That does attract some of the high end girls so be prepared for eye watering prices. Although more devious amongst us will the same girls advertising on Destacamos, sometimes with different names & phone numbers, at lower prices. So we know which number to contact, don't we? Another & much neglected site is the Spanish section of the UK's Adultwork. Currently infested with Brit women of often advanced years asking ridiculous rates. A mug trap for the uninformed. Adultwork does have some stiff validation requirements for advertisers & customer feedback which would be a challenge to girls who are accustomed to the Spanish practises of lying & false photos but is why it's become the UK's go to prossie resource.

And lastly, there is this site's Classified Adverts. Which could have enormous potential. I did, some years ago, put an advert for a girl in that section & she received a veritable deluge of enquiries & clients off the back of it. I had another couple of girls I wanted to place ads for. They can't do it for themselves because they can't handle doing the registration in English. Both attempts were blocked by the site itself. Why? Two guesses. Either the repeated use of the same IP address or a cookie was tripping a spam filter. Or using separate e-mail account registrations but carried on the same domain was doing the same. Since I would have had to manage the adverts on their behalf I was using e-mail accounts generated out of a web domain I own, where I have easy access to them as administrator, rather than having to repeatedly log in & out of multiple gmail accounts & all the problems that can cause. Maybe this board's Administration could supply some input. It does seem a shame that what could be a valuable resource of information, ISG's Classified Ads / Spain, gets so little use. Especially as the advantages of paid membership for advertisers would generate site income. If it was successful, it would be possible to leverage up to full paid for banner ads linking to an external site. As we are having to cope with, there is currently a considerable advertising deficit for punters visiting Spain. The girls would certainly benefit from it.