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[Andalus Expat]

Actually pretty torn up about Slumi being down. I would also like a list of providers too. This sucks, the websites with ads, prices, and filters were the most convenient. Is this temporary? Why the fuck is the left wing of Spain of all parties so adamant about shutting down prostitution? And the right wing is for it? Makes no god damn sense.

Slumi isn't down. It renamed itself Scompi.com with a new domain & the Slumi landing page had been redirecting there for a while. Looks like the Slumi domain came up for renewal & they didn't bother about paying the 80. That said, Scompi hasn't been particularly popular with the xicas & the number of girls advertising in my locality has dropped from a couple dozen to five. Loquosex.com would be a far better site for them. As it permits listing of services. But not many are using that, either. And not many are using Eurogirls, although more than Scompi. For the girls, it'll always be the ease of placing the adds which will be the criteria the popularity a site will depend on. Most of them aren't very bright & don't learn easily. The very simple Pasion tested a lot of their abilities. Destacamos seems to have the closest registration procedure to Pasion's, so that's what most seem to have have opted for. Despite it probably being the worst platform for what they want to market.

Of course the best site to find them is https://es-es.escort-advisor.com, the review site. And if some punter puts a review they can add their own message, photos & services offered. Unfortunately, the girls themselves tend to be shy of review sites because of the possibility of getting a poor review. They'd actually have to reliably do what they're promising. And as we all have learnt to our cost, a lot of them don't.

[BaltiX]

Actually pretty torn up about Slumi being down. I would also like a list of providers too. This sucks, the websites with ads, prices, and filters were the most convenient. Is this temporary? Why the fuck is the left wing of Spain of all parties so adamant about shutting down prostitution? And the right wing is for it? Makes no god damn sense.

The Spanish left basically adapted SJW / woke ideology from the Anglo countries, mainly those from US.

[DigLicker]

Nuevoloquo completely shut down for me now, here is the page I get when going there.

Do we have a list of sites that we can still access from inside Spain? I'm mostly really worried about sexomercadobcn and now destacamos is the only other major one I can still go to.

Actually pretty torn up about Slumi being down. I would also like a list of providers too. This sucks, the websites with ads, prices, and filters were the most convenient. Is this temporary? Why the fuck is the left wing of Spain of all parties so adamant about shutting down prostitution? And the right wing is for it? Makes no god damn sense.

[Jon32]

Nuevoloquo completely shut down for me now, here is the page I get when going there.

Do we have a list of sites that we can still access from inside Spain? I'm mostly really worried about sexomercadobcn and now destacamos is the only other major one I can still go to.

[BaltiX]

I found this link in the local BCN forum:https://www.noroestemadrid.com/2023/...rre-en-verdad/.

[BaltiX]

From what I read it seems to be a personal crusade from Ministry of Consumer Affairs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minist...sumer_Affairs_(Spain) to fine or shut down some of those websites. Why they waited until 1 year after they passed restrictions on advertising to enforce I don't know. It's probably just temporary, but you know never know with politics.

[Jon32]

Looks like the government has started to block websites? Some ISPs are blocking access (because of governmental notice). Following along in another forum, but for example nuevoloquo does not work for me anymore, slumi blocked and destacamos has a big notice on the top.

Yeah sure, we might figure out how to bypass this (with vpns) but no way the average girl is going to go through all this bullshit.

Fuck Spain for this BS

[Andalus Expat]

I could be wrong, but it looks like prostitution isn't an important topic anymore in Spanish politics..

Of course you're entirely correct. And it never was. It was the result of pressure groups with particular interests. Few of them aligning with the welfare of those in the industry. It just happens (ed) to be one of those things that if you ask a member of the public "are you in favour / against this / that " in the correct way you can usually rely on getting the answer suits your purpose. So you can then start talking about "popular support" and you're away.

[Andalus Expat]

I could be wrong, but it looks like prostitution isn't an important topic anymore in Spanish politics.

Problems with fake photos and false advertising of services is a problem that's been going on for a long time regardless of legislature.

Oh for sure. Nature of the game. But it was easier to spot the false ones if you're accustomed to reading them. Clues like two different girls' body shots being used for one girl's ad. Common one. Harder now because there's less information in both pics & text.

[BaltiX]

I could be wrong, but it looks like prostitution isn't an important topic anymore in Spanish politics.

Looking at the results on Monday morning, PP has gained the most seats but Vox has gone down from 59 to 33. So between them they have 169, failing to get the 176 would give them a majority in Parliament. Sanchez could just cling on with the support of the smaller parties. Or they could rerun the election. I wouldn't be so confident about the legislation. It's not a matter that's of great importance to the electorate. Any of the parties could use support or opposition to it as a bargaining chip in coalition negotiations. We're certainly unlikely to see a rollback of the law on the content of adverts.

And that, itself, has had exactly the adverse effects were predicted. It's favoured the facially pretty girls who are willing to use full face photos. So that's the women who don't live permanently in the area where they work. Largely the foreigners. It's hit hard the local girls who emphasised the services they offered, because they now can't advertise them. There's more than a few woman have given up working altogether as their client base has evaporated & they've been unable to renew it. Or they've had to go work away from home. And again, entirely predictably, punters are saying they've been offered services in the preliminary dialogue that were failed to be delivered in the encounter. And of course the inevitable false photos. What restrictive legislation always does. Favours the scammers. * And possibly why the clubs have been able to get away with their chiselling price rises.

Problems with fake photos and false advertising of services is a problem that's been going on for a long time regardless of legislature.

[Andalus Expat]

The Socialist Asshole Snchez is now weakened and may eventually be history.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/spaniards...050343776.html

But a weakened Snchez is of little or no threat to get through additional restrictions on prostitution.

So the industry appears to be safe.

With a special thanks to the sex workers who serviced the Socialist leader in the Canary Islands, exposing hypocrisy that hurt the Socialists.

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/vi...candal.1017717

Looking at the results on Monday morning, PP has gained the most seats but Vox has gone down from 59 to 33. So between them they have 169, failing to get the 176 would give them a majority in Parliament. Sanchez could just cling on with the support of the smaller parties. Or they could rerun the election. I wouldn't be so confident about the legislation. It's not a matter that's of great importance to the electorate. Any of the parties could use support or opposition to it as a bargaining chip in coalition negotiations. We're certainly unlikely to see a rollback of the law on the content of adverts.

And that, itself, has had exactly the adverse effects were predicted. It's favoured the facially pretty girls who are willing to use full face photos. So that's the women who don't live permanently in the area where they work. Largely the foreigners. It's hit hard the local girls who emphasised the services they offered, because they now can't advertise them. There's more than a few woman have given up working altogether as their client base has evaporated & they've been unable to renew it. Or they've had to go work away from home. And again, entirely predictably, punters are saying they've been offered services in the preliminary dialogue that were failed to be delivered in the encounter. And of course the inevitable false photos. What restrictive legislation always does. Favours the scammers. * And possibly why the clubs have been able to get away with their chiselling price rises.

The Canarias thing is indeed a hoot. There's been photos going around, I've been sent a stack, of fat, ugly, recognisable, bath robed, middle aged men in flagrante delicto with half naked putas, snorting lines of suspicious powder. You'd think the FKKs had come to Spain!

*Please. If you get caught like this, for the sake of all punters, don't meekly accept it. Complain LOUDLY & if you've paid, demand the return of your money & leave. You possibly won't get it but that gives reason to be even LOUDER at the door of the apartment. If you don't speak Spanish it's even better. Use your language of choice. For a start it'll upset any other clients in the flat. Better, it will piss off the neighbours. And some geezer shouting in the hallway in foreign in the middle of the night will do that better than anything. The likelihood is the neighbours will denounce the flat to Policia Local. If it was the girl, she'll likely be thrown out for hazarding the apartment. If it's the apartment, they had it coming. A single denuncio will mean problems with police. Several & they're shut down & gone. You may not realise it, but you're holding all the high cards.

I'd be inclined to do the same in a club. The security apes are largely for show. The last thing any club wants is a foreigner complaining to the police they've been assaulted there. That can get them closed temporarily or permanently. Again, the high cards are in your hand.

[Mongerer88]

The Socialist Asshole Sánchez is now weakened and may eventually be history.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/spaniards...050343776.html

But a weakened Sánchez is of little or no threat to get through additional restrictions on prostitution.

So the industry appears to be safe.

With a special thanks to the sex workers who serviced the Socialist leader in the Canary Islands, exposing hypocrisy that hurt the Socialists.

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/vi...candal.1017717

Some good news for us in the past few days. PSOE got a caning in the regional elections with PP & Vox rampant. Sanchez is now scheduling national elections for July in the hope of getting back in before PSOE loses any more support. So we could be looking at a PP / Vox government in due course. Since PP was pretty evenly split on the sex work legislation & Vox largely opposed, there's a good chance most of it won't get on the statute books. Of course that does depend on the PP new intake. PP has its own "bleeding heart liberals" & PP may move somewhat in that direction as the price of getting in power. It may be the Vox showing makes the difference, since Vox tends to be rabid libertarian on most social issues.

Unfortunately, I can't see that making much difference to the advertising restrictions. Ground captured is very rarely surrendered.

It's also unfortunate that the women seem to have largely opted for the destacamos.com advertising platform after the demise of pasion.com I know why. It's cheaper to advertise & the placing ads interface is easier for them to understand. But Destacamos is sticking very closely to the legislation restrictions so they're having to claim to be masajistas or offering companionship for coffee mornings & walks in the park. Loquosex.com seems to be getting away with services offered & far more revealing photos. It's also more the site for the professionals with most ads featuring full face photos. Slumi.com, after its experiment with the scompi.com brand, has sharply declined in popularity. eurogirlsescort.com would be a good option for them. Since it's hosted outside Spain & not restricted by Spanish legislation. It lists by city & even has search options for details like age, price & services offered. Any photos they want to use. And, for our benefit, it even has a review facility. But there's the language barrier in the registration process, despite the fact that it's possible to choose to have the site displayed in Spanish. The English language landing page puts them off. I have got a few of the girls I know onto it. But one really has to do it for them. So if you know working girls & wish to volunteer. The other problem with all advertising for them is paying for it. Pasion.com ran a facility where they could pay in cash at ATM's. All advertising sites now require payment via card & many girls don't have them, because they don't have the financial history to open bank accounts. There is a route via prepay debit cards issued by Correos (the Spanish Post Office) & various other service providers, only requires a valid ID document. But it's not something many seem to know about.

[Andalus Expat]

Some good news for us in the past few days. PSOE got a caning in the regional elections with PP & Vox rampant. Sanchez is now scheduling national elections for July in the hope of getting back in before PSOE loses any more support. So we could be looking at a PP / Vox government in due course. Since PP was pretty evenly split on the sex work legislation & Vox largely opposed, there's a good chance most of it won't get on the statute books. Of course that does depend on the PP new intake. PP has its own "bleeding heart liberals" & PP may move somewhat in that direction as the price of getting in power. It may be the Vox showing makes the difference, since Vox tends to be rabid libertarian on most social issues.

Unfortunately, I can't see that making much difference to the advertising restrictions. Ground captured is very rarely surrendered.

It's also unfortunate that the women seem to have largely opted for the destacamos.com advertising platform after the demise of pasion.com I know why. It's cheaper to advertise & the placing ads interface is easier for them to understand. But Destacamos is sticking very closely to the legislation restrictions so they're having to claim to be masajistas or offering companionship for coffee mornings & walks in the park. Loquosex.com seems to be getting away with services offered & far more revealing photos. It's also more the site for the professionals with most ads featuring full face photos. Slumi.com, after its experiment with the scompi.com brand, has sharply declined in popularity. eurogirlsescort.com would be a good option for them. Since it's hosted outside Spain & not restricted by Spanish legislation. It lists by city & even has search options for details like age, price & services offered. Any photos they want to use. And, for our benefit, it even has a review facility. But there's the language barrier in the registration process, despite the fact that it's possible to choose to have the site displayed in Spanish. The English language landing page puts them off. I have got a few of the girls I know onto it. But one really has to do it for them. So if you know working girls & wish to volunteer. The other problem with all advertising for them is paying for it. Pasion.com ran a facility where they could pay in cash at ATM's. All advertising sites now require payment via card & many girls don't have them, because they don't have the financial history to open bank accounts. There is a route via prepay debit cards issued by Correos (the Spanish Post Office) & various other service providers, only requires a valid ID document. But it's not something many seem to know about.

[Andalus Expat]

The Spain project was still biased. It noted that trafficking might exist because some apartment working women pay as much as 50 percent of her earnings for "rent"

Full marks to the project for that. It's entirely true. Probably the majority of women working in the apartments & villas are splitting the client fees 50%* with the house. Which generally suits them. The house is paying for the premises, services & the advertising. All which would otherwise have to be covered by the girls. And the house is taking the risk. If the earnings from the clients doesn't cover expenditure, it's the house loses, not the girl. Most women don't have the capital to set up on their own.

*Although when I ran my own villa on the Costa del Sol it was 60 to the girl 40 to the house. Some establishments do similar. It comes from an understanding of the basic economics of the business. You're trying to maximize profit on total turnover. The percentage paid to the girl is a cost, like any other. So you tailor that cost to attract the sort of girl will result in the desired number of clients for the house. The price the client pays is what produces the optimum number of clients for the house & results in the greatest profit. There's no direct link between the two. Most people in the industry here don't understand that piece of basic business economics** & seek to maximize profit on each individual transaction. The 60/40 split does closer resemble optimal if the majority of the competition is on 50/50. Your pricing is more competitive & you can attract the better girls. And you make larger profits.

** Generally, you can reckon anyone who gets into this business has failed at everything else they've tried. Which is possibly part of why this industry gets a rep for exploitation. It's not so much malice as incompetence. Like any other business, the people at the coal face are the ones making your money. You should look after their interests as much as your own.

And yes, women who come from South America to Europe to do sex work abroad often do so to support loved ones back home, rather than to just buy higher-priced handbags.

Yes, this is particularly sad. Most of the S. American WG's I've known either have kids back there they're supporting, have brought them over with them or had them here. And if they can't work, there will be no well paid jobs in political lobbying organizations opening up for them. If their income doesn't meet their outgoings they'll run out of money & won't be able to afford to return to S. America. And few of them can expect any family support. They're on their own here. And it's not as if it's easy for them to find other jobs. Most don't have qualifications. And when it comes to employment, the Spanish understandably look after the Spanish first. It's only the lower paid jobs open to them, if at all. If you intended to fuck up their lives, this is how you would go about it. What's so particularly cruel is so many of them have tried to play it straight. They have their residence papers. They've been paying their autonomo social security payments. And they'll end up on minimum wage or Spain's meagre social security benefits. Or they'll try to continue working "black" & leave themselves open to exploitation by the criminals will move into what has become an illegal industry.

[Mongerer88]

Folks,

Have you updates with links on any new Spanish Law which may have been brought in regarding our hobby / job.

Thanks in advance.

Proposed laws are still being debated in Parliament but none appear close to passing, so perhaps the issue will be going away.

There was a big commissioned study according to the Stop Abolition tweets.

Good and bad.

The good is that it found that almost all of the women working in the sex industry in Madrid clubs and apartments are late 20's to early 40's.

The propaganda isn't as bad in Europe as it is is the USA, but Stop Abolition still wryly noted the concept.

There are no minors involved. A USA Religious group got involved in a project involving underaged prostitutes. The project only involved underaged prostitutes who had come into contact with the police. They took the ages of the minors, added them up, and divided by the number of minors to arrive at the average age of the ladies, then said that is the age that women tend to enter sex work. You will hear that nonsense repeated a million times in North America. In the real world of commercial sex, minors don't exist in Europe or North America.

The Spain project was still biased. It noted that trafficking might exist because some apartment working women pay as much as 50 percent of her earnings for "rent" (although it admitted that most don't pay anywhere close to that percentage). And it noted that trafficking might exist because a tremendous number of South American ladies working in Madrid send money back home.

Okay you dumb shits (authors of the study), you scared off the lowest price advertising venues and added risk to landlords if the anti-landlord portions of the legislation were to suddenly pass. Don't you think that is going to drive up the costs of advertising and rent? What does that have to do with trafficking? The easier and cheaper it is for an independent to work, the less trafficking you will have. And yes, women who come from South America to Europe to do sex work abroad often do so to support loved ones back home, rather than to just buy higher-priced handbags.

The study had all the characteristics of being performed by rich kids who majored in Sociology and / or Political Science and whose parents paid for whatever tuition wasn't taken care of by the government, with no actual ability to think or put themselves in the place of those they were studying.