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[Andalus Expat]

I think that's what's going on. Awaiting the outcome of decisions yet to be taken? I think it will all stabilise eventually, but whether the current state will ever be the same. I think unlikely.

I was punting in Spain years before internet advertising. Years before internet. Successfully punting. There were classified ads in some of the papers but I rarely used. It was just a matter of knowing the country & good places to go. Certain areas, certain bars, certain clubs, certain houses & flats. And of course the roundabout girls! Streetgirls have become horror stories in the internet years. But that's only because they're the ones can't find anywhere to work or advertise from.

I'm surprised by the defeatism by some of the people on this board. Think creatively. Do you really think hundreds of thousands of Spanish blokes are going to abandon their hobby? All the girls are going to skulk off, never to fuck for money again? These are the people you've been punting off the backs of. All this wasn't laid on for your benefit. Of course they aren't. They'll be some adjusting. Some creative thinking. The players will rise to play again.

Personally, I think I preferred it pre-internet days. OK, it wasn't laid out on a plate for you. But then you didn't get girls sticking up ads full of lies & false photos & sitting back waiting for the victims to arrive. And I'm totally indifferent about the large clubs. They're just indoor streetgirls & managements making a packet off their backs. Whereas the bars were favoured by hookers charged normal bar prices & she took you back to her place round the corner. Where she wasn't paying a trick's worth of money for a night's room rent. Up to you really. If you can only cope with it being like going to McDonalds you're in for a very dry time. If you're willing to move out of your comfort zone, you should do all right. We will.

[Jon32]

There are plenty of websites available for advertising like GirlsBCN.

Pasion was the best, I think 90% of traffic went there I remember reading.

But I guess we have to live with worse ones, better than nothing.

I hope some entrepreneur just makes a classifieds site in another country. Or maybe an existing classifieds site in another country could just open a "Spain" section (not a bad idea?

Esaschicas forum just explained that all future experiences with girls will be removed (they already deleted thousands of reports over the last 15 years). Saying that an experience could / will be considered advertising under the new law.

How fucking crazy is this!

So I guess we will need some entrepreneur to create a forum in another country also (or add a 'spain' section for one that already exists. Maybe portugal?) .

[Jummy1]

I think that's what's going on. Awaiting the outcome of decisions yet to be taken? I think it will all stabilise eventually, but whether the current state will ever be the same. I think unlikely.

I met up with a private chick a few days ago. She told me she normally makes €100 K P / A, This year she's on track to make 150 K.

I don't doubt her at all, she's very popular. And it's all tax free! How she goes about residency I have no idea. I don't ask too many questions.

She's been operating for 10 years on the CDS. So have I. And spent a ridiculous amount of cash. Market forces will always prevail.

What will happen to the club scene is anyones guess? I'the be sad to see them disappear altogether, as I enjoy the clubs scene a lot. But I've worked hard on a little black book for a number of years. Just in case!

[BaltiX]

I noticed that some websites don't show prices anymore, while others do. I also noticed that advertising websites (and some agencies) stop advertising explicit services of each girl. It seems there is confusion regarding the organic law on sexual freedom. I think this is what happens when you let politicians influenced by SJW, woke ideology to write laws. I wouldn't be surprised if the Spanish Supreme Court or the next government throws this law out in the future.

[BaltiX]

Well that's the Pasion advertising site no more. Unless you're interested in buying a used car of your garden dug over. So Spanish putadom is now running around like chickens with their heads cut off, their leading advertising site no more. Slumi still seems to be functional. But for how long?

So. There are still plenty of lovely ladies out there just waiting to be fucked. And no doubt a few amongst you lot would be willing to take on the task.

Problems putting one alongside tother.

There are quite a few of us who live here or visit regularly who do have the skinny. But no way of passing it on, because site rules forbid phone numbers.

So any ideas?

There are plenty of websites available for advertising like GirlsBCN.

[Mongerer88]

Came here to post exactly this.

Also esaschicas Barcelona forum of experiences is COMPLETELY wiped out. Had to be 15 years of experiences written there. They left one or two sections out of hundreds.

This is un fucking believable.

What fucking country do we live in.

Folks, make yourself an old-fashioned Little Black Book, or at least a WhatsApp Directory. Especially since ISG doesn't allow phone numbers in the forum.

We learned this in the USA, although the government relented a bit on some of the interpretations of Fosta / Sesta.

And the lesson got reinforced during Covid, even among the Germans who never dreamed their beloved FKKs would get closed by their beloved government.

Ads and threads can get wiped out, but thank god the girl and her smartphone / email will survive. But you need that phone number and that email.

For her obviously, but also for her friends she will refer you to for variety, and if she leaves the business for whatever young ladies she transfers her book of business to.

Hopefully it won't get that bad. Hopefully the websites will relocate to friendly countries, and hopefully Spalumi will think that Esaschicas is just overreacting and not do the same. But nonetheless make your little black book. You don't have sex with these ladies in public. Laws can't be enforced behind closed doors, but you have to have a mechanism to get behind that closed door. During Covid, the guys least affected in all countries were those who had the phone numbers and emails of escorts.

Anyway, here is my favorite in Madrid. She is The Bomb. She hasn't been running ads and said she has been mostly seeing regulars. Her Esaschicas thread is still up. Trust me, write her name and number in your little black book. Don't WhatsApp her unless you are inquiring now about an appointment. Girls hate it when you bug the shit out of them for no good reason. But someday that number might come in handy. Do the same for every lady who has sterling reviews and that you always wanted to see. Don't assume that every phone number you want will always be easily available in the future. And show loyalty to your favorites. If the system gravitates heavily towards illegality, which I still don't think will be the case, you are safest seeing a nice rotation of those favorites, and friends they recommend, and ladies your fellow Johns recommend backchannel and on websites in friendly countries.

https://esaschicas.com/temas/anastas...%C3%B3n.15352/

Here is the explanation of The Purge:

EsasChicas Statement.

EsasChicas is a transversal, alternative, liberal, guarantee-oriented forum and, above all, very respectful of laws and regulations. In adaptation to the new Organic Law of Comprehensive Guarantee of Sexual Freedom, we are going to adapt to the spirit of the law by carrying out a rigorous and strict interpretation of this Organic Law, a norm that regulates the duties of prevention and awareness in the workplace and equates the victims of sexual violence to victims of gender violence or terrorism. Our forum is against the mafias and trafficking, it supports all those women who work in a dignified way to support their families. Therefore we want to make it clear that:

1) We understand that the threads of experiences with prostitutes not only constitute advertising and promotion of prostitution but even in some cases gender violence, therefore they will be removed from our forum. Although these threads have been created by forum users, we understand that it is our responsibility and therefore we will proceed to eliminate them. The fact that an experience is positive or negative does not exempt from the crime because negative publicity exists, there will be no exceptions to the rule.

2) As of October 7, it will not be allowed in the contact threads to promote prostitution, full nudity, etc.

[Jon32]

Well that's the Pasion advertising site no more. Unless you're interested in buying a used car of your garden dug over. So Spanish putadom is now running around like chickens with their heads cut off, their leading advertising site no more. Slumi still seems to be functional. But for how long?

So. There are still plenty of lovely ladies out there just waiting to be fucked. And no doubt a few amongst you lot would be willing to take on the task.

Problems putting one alongside tother.

There are quite a few of us who live here or visit regularly who do have the skinny. But no way of passing it on, because site rules forbid phone numbers.

So any ideas?

Came here to post exactly this.

Also esaschicas Barcelona forum of experiences is COMPLETELY wiped out. Had to be 15 years of experiences written there. They left one or two sections out of hundreds.

This is un fucking believable.

What fucking country do we live in.

[Jummy1]

Well that's the Pasion advertising site no more. Unless you're interested in buying a used car of your garden dug over. So Spanish putadom is now running around like chickens with their heads cut off, their leading advertising site no more. Slumi still seems to be functional. But for how long?

So. There are still plenty of lovely ladies out there just waiting to be fucked. And no doubt a few amongst you lot would be willing to take on the task.

Problems putting one alongside tother.

There are quite a few of us who live here or visit regularly who do have the skinny. But no way of passing it on, because site rules forbid phone numbers.

So any ideas?

Agree Sir,

I've been out a week, had numerous conversations with regulars (privates) and from the clubs. I met with a regular I've been seeing (E92 based) yesterday. I was discussing it with her and her opinion was: if the club closes she won't be back. She doesn't ever fancy going private.

There is definitely a shift going on.

[Andalus Expat]

Well that's the Pasion advertising site no more. Unless you're interested in buying a used car of your garden dug over. So Spanish putadom is now running around like chickens with their heads cut off, their leading advertising site no more. Slumi still seems to be functional. But for how long?

So. There are still plenty of lovely ladies out there just waiting to be fucked. And no doubt a few amongst you lot would be willing to take on the task.

Problems putting one alongside tother.

There are quite a few of us who live here or visit regularly who do have the skinny. But no way of passing it on, because site rules forbid phone numbers.

So any ideas?

[Andalus Expat]

I remember few years before covid when I first tried escorts / hookers I could find BBBJ, Prague, Germany, Spain etc often some didn't even charge extra or if did maybe 20-50 euros. Recently I've found really hard to get it. Is this the way it is now or I just been unlucky with the girls I'm picking?

You guys that get this service are you asking many girls before finally getting? Plus extra cost? I was better looking years ago so don't know if that makes any difference not like I'm a monter haha just trying to work out any possible reasons for the lack of BBBJ availability for me at least.

I'd say it depends on 3 factors.

#1 You already mentioned. Are you the sort of guy a girl would want do a BBBJ on. Only you (& she) will know.

#2 Where you're going. Club girls are noted for not doing them. Or for charging extra. Matter of incentives. You're a one off client she'll likely never see again. She already has your money. Cheap walk-ins have the same incentives.

#3 How much you're paying. If you're paying bottom dollar, you can't expect more than you're paying for.

My experience is that in Spain a BBBJ's a rarity both to not get the service or to have to pay. It's part of the minimum service expected. But I'm seeing mostly mid-market girls or better, rarely less than an hour & the majority as outcalls. To her I'm an excellent client she wants to see again. (And I'll always try to give her the impression she will, even if I won't) So the incentives stack up firmly in my favour.

So incentives, it's always incentives. Incentives matter.

As for asking before. Well I suppose you could try. But what would that prove? For a start #1. Second she's a puta wanting a booking & they're not exactly known for their honesty. The truth is discovered after you've paid. Thirdly you're signalling you're a newby & don't know the form here. Not something you really want to do, even if you aren't. She may reply "Yes, 30€ more" I would usually ask "What services are you offering & how much?" at the commencement of the dialogue. Which is a slightly different question & suggests you're looking for confirmation of what's in the advert & sends a different signal. Wouldn't be the first time half the things listed in the ad disappear.

[Super Cum 500]

I remember few years before covid when I first tried escorts / hookers I could find BBBJ, Prague, Germany, Spain etc often some didn't even charge extra or if did maybe 20-50 euros. Recently I've found really hard to get it. Is this the way it is now or I just been unlucky with the girls I'm picking?

You guys that get this service are you asking many girls before finally getting? Plus extra cost? I was better looking years ago so don't know if that makes any difference not like I'm a monter haha just trying to work out any possible reasons for the lack of BBBJ availability for me at least.

[Mongerer88]

I'm curious, what do people think will happen to all the escorts in Spain once this law is passed? Will they go to other neighboring countries like Switzerland or Germany? I have a hard time seeing all of them stop working in a lucrative business. Anyone talk to girls about this? If I was in Spain I would ask them what they think and if they have any plans. Obviously girls who are studying in university won't be able to just move to another country or even another city so they will lose business.

For true escorts, nothing will happen. Of course it depends on what the new law will say. This won't affect outcall escorting, which would increase. Nor will it affect incall when one lady works there and sees a guy or two a day. You have to keep in mind that escorting exists in plenty of countries where all aspects of prostitution is illegal.

The issue is the legal brothels, the meeting clubs with attached motel rooms, and the large multi-room, multi-lady incall facilities, some of which I call shared private apartments. These places allow efficiency for the market and keep Spain's prices low. If the market becomes exclusively an appointment-oriented system where a lady can realistically only see one, maybe two, guys a day, with her doing all of her own administrative work, advertising, and travel, then prices are going to go up.

I don't think that is going to happen, but time will tell. Of course, the other unknown is the level of law enforcement. You would be surprised by this. After Canada passed the Nordic Model, its police in the three largest cities basically said they wouldn't enforce the law. Specifically, they did a Prioritization Policy listing adult consensual prostitution as the lowest possible priority.

Bottom line is that no one knows what a future law might say. And it will be months or years after that before the level of law enforcement activity is known.

At least one group I follow in Madrid announced that they will stop explicit advertisements. Other than that, I haven't seen a reaction from sex workers, establishments, or agencies. They might have more confidence than the posters in this thread that it will not be that bad.

[NotBeingSeen]

I'm curious, what do people think will happen to all the escorts in Spain once this law is passed? Will they go to other neighboring countries like Switzerland or Germany? I have a hard time seeing all of them stop working in a lucrative business. Anyone talk to girls about this? If I was in Spain I would ask them what they think and if they have any plans. Obviously girls who are studying in university won't be able to just move to another country or even another city so they will lose business.

[Andalus Expat]

https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/jus...1_9556318.html

Thoughts on this article? Now they are proposing 4 years in jail for clients who have sex with trafficking victims. Also jail sentences for those who rent out locations for trafficking.

I guess that will completely eliminate the Chinese apartments and Escort apartments also (Chinese massage places also?)? And how the hell are we supposed to know who is "forced to prostitute" and who isn't?

They are completely fucking nuts with all this, to go from totally legal one day then next to no ads on the internet, and trying to make it illegal completely with fines and jail sentences..

The "forced into prostitution" thing has always been a nonsense. The London police ran an operation cost millions trying to find compelled girls. Didn't result in a single prosecution.

It's a simple matter of the economics of the industry. Forcing a girl to work costs money. You have to pay the people doing the forcing. So it's impossible to compete with the girls happy to work voluntarily. It could only work if there was a shortage of girls willing to work & an abundance of men wanting to use them. Whereas the current situation's the total opposite. A vast surplus of willing putas & a shortage of clients willing to pay for their services. Although legislators seem determined to reverse this to the former.

"Trafficking's" another nonsense word. Define it? The cab driver taking a girl across town for an appointment's trafficking. So was the airline brought her from S. America. Or the friend who lent her the money to buy the ticket.

I suspect Madrid's current bogged down in trying to write the wording of the laws will enact the legislation it's passed. Not easy. Second order effects. I mentioned a Brit feminist MP's call for legislation over making men sending women "sexual" images without their consent being a criminal offence, in a previous post. Now define sexual image. Is a man in a hat & a pair of shoes naked? How about the same man photographed on the beach in a pair of Speedos? Can you discriminate? How about a woman sending a man her photo in a low cut dress or bikini? At which point in the dress code does she have to ask his permission? You have to define all this legally. So what will come out of the legislation is anyone's guess.

It's also going to be complicated by the Spanish legal system. A lot of the people reading this will be familiar with the concept of case law & precedent. A case may go to court & receive a judgement. That judgement may be appealed to a higher court. Maybe as far as Blair's Supremes. Eventually the process produces an outcome that sets precedent throughout the UK judicial system for judging similar cases. That's the Anglo-Saxon system used in the UK & the States. Spain doesn't have that. Anyone who's been involved in Spanish law knows you can get one judgement in a court in one part of the country. And a contradictory judgement in another court in a different part of the country. Spanish law isn't made in the courts, it's legislated & interpreted. Depends on the judge. So how the legislation affects may depend on where you are.

[Jon32]

https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/jus...1_9556318.html

Thoughts on this article? Now they are proposing 4 years in jail for clients who have sex with trafficking victims. Also jail sentences for those who rent out locations for trafficking.

I guess that will completely eliminate the Chinese apartments and Escort apartments also (Chinese massage places also?)? And how the hell are we supposed to know who is "forced to prostitute" and who isn't?

They are completely fucking nuts with all this, to go from totally legal one day then next to no ads on the internet, and trying to make it illegal completely with fines and jail sentences.

They should start off slower, not swing so hard one way so fast. Make girls in the street illegal first, see what happens. Then explicit ads, see what happens, etc. Over years. Not all in 3 months. (obviously I'm against anything illegal whatsoever, but if I had to compromise.).

Inflation, economy and war and this is the shit they're trying to pass. Un-fucking-believable.