General Info

[BaltiX]

I do think it's worth remembering that this is a political rather than a legal situation. The legislation has come about because of the lobbying of politicians by certain interest groups. These haven't gone away. I suspect the reason there's only part of the proposed legislation currently being enacted is that when it came down to the nuts & bolts of actually writing it, they realized it wasn't as simple as they thought it would be. Second order effects. You try & make one specific thing illegal & in the process of defining it you find you've included a whole lot of things people definitely do not want made illegal.

There's a good example in the British press today.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...mages-without/ "Men should be prosecuted for sending nude images to women unless consent is given, say female academics and women's groups. " OK. Now define nude? Stark naked but wearing a hat? Posing in a pair of Speedos? If you're saying a sexual image, define sexual? If they're not careful they'll outlaw women sending photos of themselves in a low cut dress or tight shorts. Instagram will be bereft, the Kardashians desolate. For if the law applies to men it must apply to women, since we're all equal ain't we?

So now the legislators are caught between a rock & a hard place. Trying to write something will satisfy the pressure groups without upsetting the general public. Some of the more obvious advertising may go. At least for websites based in Spain. I suspect the big puti clubs will go. They're simply to obvious & in-your-face to ignore. It's going to end up with some complicated, hard to apply legislation which there'll be no particular enthusiasm to enforce. Trouble is, there's no push back to oppose the lobby groups. Nice to see photos in the papers of girls protesting against the legislation, couple of weeks ago. By rights there should have been 100 times as many of their clients there supporting them. Where were they? If it hasn't already, this'll be coming to a country near you before we're all much older. What are you going to do to oppose it apart from posting on here behind an anonymous name? Have a "Save our Prossies" bumper sticker on the back of your car? Stand up & be counted? I bet you will.

*And of course there's always defunding. Happened to this site with MasterCard & Visa. Happened to a pal's website blog. He lost his PayPal facility because apparently his particular brand of libertarian economics upsets some people. Banks responsive to lobbying pressure can arbitrarily withdraw banking facilities. You lose your bank accounts, you don't have a business.

It be nice if the regressive, woke stuff died off or never existed in the first time. It would be unthinkable for a country like Spain to try abolishing prostitution 10-20 years ago. I blame it on politicians and special interest groups adapting SJW BS from mostly USA and trying to impose it on their countries.

[Mongerer88]

So another popular forum posted what they are going to do in 30 days when the law comes into affect. All client experiences will remain and you can continue to post your experiences. The girls will only be able to advertise 'massage' with no mention of kissing, blowjobs, or sex.

This made me wonder that a girl could post an ad for massage, then 10 minutes later a client can post about his experience with her (they fucked).

So, what will the government do next? Ban posting stories and ban posting words? If they end up abolishing prostitution will they go after a client for posting he fucked an escort?

Remember they fined the rapper here $30,000 for insulting the king on twitter (he also glorified violence which they used against him saying it was an extreme case, interpret it as you want)

Sounds like fucking Afghanistan, not Europe tho.

Review forums exist even in countries where all aspects of prostitution are illegal.

A few forums have a disclaimer that all of the reviews constitute fictional writing.

But in general, what a person writes is not admissible as evidence in most courts because it could in fact be fictional.

As an added precaution, many review forums are set up (or relocated) to countries where prostitution is legal and it is difficult for another country's law enforcement to obtain information.

It will be interesting to see if the Spanish review sites start being hosted in another jurisdiction.

[Jon32]

So another popular forum posted what they are going to do in 30 days when the law comes into affect. All client experiences will remain and you can continue to post your experiences. The girls will only be able to advertise 'massage' with no mention of kissing, blowjobs, or sex.

This made me wonder that a girl could post an ad for massage, then 10 minutes later a client can post about his experience with her (they fucked).

So, what will the government do next? Ban posting stories and ban posting words? If they end up abolishing prostitution will they go after a client for posting he fucked an escort?

Remember they fined the rapper here $30,000 for insulting the king on twitter (he also glorified violence which they used against him saying it was an extreme case, interpret it as you want)

Sounds like fucking Afghanistan, not Europe tho.

[Andalus Expat]

Travelling to Rota, Spain from the US.

Internet search tells me that they use the European-style, twin stick electrical plugs and 240 volts.

Obviously, my phones and other gear use 110 volts and the twin slats.

I have purchased an adapter that will overcome the twin stick plug. What do I attach to that to prevent my electronics from frying?

Depends on what electronics you're talking about. A lot of stuff is compatible with 110/220 because it contains a transformer to drop the juice to the low voltage DC used by the circuits. Look on the labels. I'm looking at a power supply for a Fujitsu laptop now & that's rated 100 240 V AC. So's a Motorola fone charger.

I had quite a lot of US domestic equipment hanging around the London flat. Courtesy of a NuYawk chick moved in for a while. She ran it off of a 220-240/110 transformer she'd brought with her, so they must be available Stateside. Although I don't suppose even the most intrepid Yank tourists travel with food processors or waffle toasters. I do remember finding transformers will step down to 110 in Europe isn't easy. No call for them. The only things use 110 here is industrial machinery.

[Pute Nut]

Travelling to Rota, Spain from the US.

Internet search tells me that they use the European-style, twin stick electrical plugs and 240 volts.

Obviously, my phones and other gear use 110 volts and the twin slats.

I have purchased an adapter that will overcome the twin stick plug. What do I attach to that to prevent my electronics from frying?

Many if not most chargers today are 50/60 Hz and 100-240 Volts but the only way to know is to check each individual charger's specs.

If your equipment is 110 Volts only you will need a step-down transformer.

If your phones etc can be charged via USB a simpler solution will be to get a local 240 VAC to USB charger.

[BaltiX]

Am I the only one who thinks the so called abolishment law, if passed, will be watered down to the point it barely effects the sex scene?

[Dg8787]

Travelling to Rota, Spain from the US.

Internet search tells me that they use the European-style, twin stick electrical plugs and 240 volts.

Obviously, my phones and other gear use 110 volts and the twin slats.

I have purchased an adapter that will overcome the twin stick plug. What do I attach to that to prevent my electronics from frying?

Most cell phone and laptop chargers are 110/220 compatible. Look at the specs on the chargers to verify.

[Iguana Six]

Travelling to Rota, Spain from the US.

Internet search tells me that they use the European-style, twin stick electrical plugs and 240 volts.

Obviously, my phones and other gear use 110 volts and the twin slats.

I have purchased an adapter that will overcome the twin stick plug. What do I attach to that to prevent my electronics from frying?

[Mongerer88]

Thank you for explaining. Would you say it's safe to book a trip for October or is there a high chance another law will pass before then?

You will be safe. Spanish lawmaking is slow. They like it that way, similar to the curing of their ham.

And there will likely be a phase-in period even if something passes.

And has been said many times, life will go on if the Nordic Model passes. You can just get outcall to your hotel room where the transaction is the purchase of time and companionship. Her services will be the same as they are now.

[Member #4769]

No law passed that would cause the closure of anything.

New laws are being debated that could be problematic, but whether they will pass (particularly in their current form) is unknown.

What passed was an affirmative consent law. Most of it has nothing to do with sex work. Essentially, a genuine rapist cannot claim that the victim consented as a result of not saying no. That is certainly a reasonable law. As part of that law, a provision was passed making it illegal for someone other than the sex worker to take out an ad. So if a genuine pump places an ad, he can be prosecuted. That law does not extend to an agent of the sex worker. So when a brothel of an assistant takes out an ad with the approval or at the direction of the sex worker, that is legal.

Thank you for explaining. Would you say it's safe to book a trip for October or is there a high chance another law will pass before then?

[Mongerer88]

I'm currently staying in Europe and I'm considering booking a trip to Barcelona in October. I've been reading about the new law that passed and I'm honestly very confused. Does anyone know if the brothels like La Suite and Felina will be shutting down? Or are they just removing advertisements online? And was the law actually passed or did they just disregard it? I see that Slumi and the other advertising sites are still up and that the brothels are still open, so I'm very confused with what actually happened. I see there are still protests going on so it seems like something worse must be happening.

No law passed that would cause the closure of anything.

New laws are being debated that could be problematic, but whether they will pass (particularly in their current form) is unknown.

What passed was an affirmative consent law. Most of it has nothing to do with sex work. Essentially, a genuine rapist cannot claim that the victim consented as a result of not saying no. That is certainly a reasonable law. As part of that law, a provision was passed making it illegal for someone other than the sex worker to take out an ad. So if a genuine pump places an ad, he can be prosecuted. That law does not extend to an agent of the sex worker. So when a brothel of an assistant takes out an ad with the approval or at the direction of the sex worker, that is legal.

[Member #4769]

I'm currently staying in Europe and I'm considering booking a trip to Barcelona in October. I've been reading about the new law that passed and I'm honestly very confused. Does anyone know if the brothels like La Suite and Felina will be shutting down? Or are they just removing advertisements online? And was the law actually passed or did they just disregard it? I see that Slumi and the other advertising sites are still up and that the brothels are still open, so I'm very confused with what actually happened. I see there are still protests going on so it seems like something worse must be happening.

[Andalus Expat]

Looks like some entrepreneur already opened up https://www.scompi.com/ .... out of Bulgaria. Nothing the Spanish govt can do to him I'm guessing.
Guess we're not completely doomed, I think prices will go up and quality will go down a bit. !

Thanks very much for the link. The page format looks identical to www.slumi.com so I think we can guess who's behind it. (Although WhoIs? Info comes up as California registration) If you read the ¿Qué es SCOMPI? (What is Scompi) it seems to be claiming it's for putting people together who share common interests. Don't we all? Maybe it'll fly. The advert pricing is in Euros but Bulgaria's not in the Eurozone. Still has its own currency. So where & how do they intend doing the money side? I suppose the only way to answer that would be to pay for an ad & try & work out from your card statement who you'd actually paid.

I'd expect the opposite. Prices will go down, quality up.

Prices really started rising around the time internet advertising really got underway. From 2009-19 they about doubled against very low inflation rates. And overselling became almost the norm. Misleading adverts & false photos. Difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. Trouble is, there's always been enough mug punters around to pay what they're asking. Absent easy advertising it'll go back to personal recommendation & reputation. There's still a lot of that now & undoubtedly the best way to find decent girls. Chancers don't prosper under those conditions. Problem for visitors will be participating in the information flow. Maybe this site will rise to the occasion.

[Jon32]

Skip the game, adult search, erotic monkey, adult look, hunting and the US seeking arrangements or some other social media site is better.

I wonder how these pages are up if there is a ban on listing them there? Maybe Spain can follow whatever they're doing.

I did a quick signup for erotic monkey, they actually accept VISA and Bitcoin. Their processor for visa is in the Czech Republic. Seems like the website is based there also.

Sexguide is based in netherlands.

I'm guessing the only option then would be someone opening an escort site outside Spain.

I remember the backpage guy getting arrested, so probably to risky for someone inside Spain to operate an escort listings site.

Looks like some entrepreneur already opened up https://www.scompi.com/ .... out of Bulgaria. Nothing the Spanish govt can do to him I'm guessing.

Guess we're not completely doomed, I think prices will go up and quality will go down a bit. Obviously hoping I'm wrong.

And Really hoping the Chinese places don't close if there's an outright ban!

[RedMan0505]

I wonder if all the Chinese massage places will go too, those actually (surprisingly) still exist in the US last time I was there.

Hopefully not as I go to one at least once per week minimum.

Wow, completely forgot about this. When craigslist shut down it was because of the processor, same with sexguide. I think no one in Spain is even thinking of this yet (pasion, slumi, sexomercado, nuevoloquo.).

They all just think they'll post massage pages and be fine. Not the case of what happened here or on craigslist or backpage (backpage was raided by the FBI if I remember correctly, but I think they had a processor problem also).

They both moved to 'massage only' and still got shut down. Haven't looked at a US escort site in years, not sure what methods they are using these days to stay up and make money.

First backpage was shut down by the FBI, then Craigslist shutdown because of the new law.

The move comes two days after the Senate approved of bipartisan legislation called the Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act.

The legislation, now awaiting President Donald Trump's signature, would create an exception to Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which would pave the way for victims of sex trafficking to sue websites that facilitate their abuse.

The House version already passed with overwhelming support and received an endorsement from the White House.

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is a legal protection that gives a broad layer of immunity to online companies from being held liable for user-generated content.

Companies are expected to act in good faith to protect users from "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable" content. Critics argue it can, and has, be used as a shield that protects companies from being held liable.

Related: Tech advocates want to stop a new Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act. Here's why.

However, tech industry associations and internet rights advocates are concerned about the free speech implications of the legislation. In August 2017,10 tech trade groups -- including the Internet Association and the Interactive Advertising Bureau -- coauthored a letter condemning the Senate bill and said it would have a "chilling effect" on companies.

"Platforms will err on the side of extreme caution in removing content uploaded by their users, while cutting back on proactive prevention measures," the groups warned in the letter.

"Any tool or service can be misused," Craigslist said in a statement on its website. "We can't take such risk without jeopardizing all our other services, so we are regretfully taking craigslist personals offline. Hopefully we can bring them back some day. ".

The personals section, which is still visible on the Craigslist homepage, now redirects users to the announcement about the shutdown.

Skip the game, adult search, erotic monkey, adult look, hunting and the US seeking arrangements or some other social media site is better.