Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Viajando Musico]

I have been occupied on the business side, and haven't got the chance to answer some questions, so here are my responses.

Hi VM,
How did you research your Private SPs. From past experience this is time consuming and sometimes involves long driving distances and horrendous parking! I have always started this research 2 weeks before arriving on the CDS and now mainly from Passion.com!

Estark has for me in recent years been a better Club for a fun couple of hours. I have always found the SPs at Scandalos more attractive but less willing to really give a memorable time upstairs. The attitude, banter and as you say the SPs willingness to engage. Did Marina say whether she was a regular there or passing through? What was her appearance, body shape and performance like?

I used a Spanish forum Lumis Malaga to get local references a week before my CDS trip, but didn't really check them out due to limited time.

I found Estark to be the same for me as it for you. Girls were much more willing to converse with you, not aggressively, than in Scandalo. As to Mariana, she is a young passionate Brasilera with beautiful face and an incredible butte. She didn't reply to my last whatsapp message a week ago, so I am not sure if she is still there. She told me she is only in Europe for 3 months, so grab her if you still find her in Estark.

Good report VM and thanks for the feedback!

Who did you visit in the private flats and can you make recommendations?

The fact is that the scene at the clubs change over time and can also be very different from one night to the next. Maybe the ladies at Scandalos have got lazy and spoilt and the Estark ladies realise that they have serious competition and need to try harder?

For the private flats, I visited Mia and Noelia (not the Noelia, Andalus Expat's friend). Both practice their trade close to Fuengirola Port. Mia was recommended by Andalus Expat. I believe she is from Dominican Republic, a young Morenita about 25 yrs old. Service was OK, but I had better ones. 100 euro /1 HR. Second one was Noelia http://www.pasion.com/contactos-muje...524485979.htm. She is a little short and looks around 30. Her service was fantastic, but is probably only a 6/10 in my book. This is a problem I mentioned about finding girls on Passion.com or Milrroticos in Latin America, girl doesn't show her face, so quite frequently it disappoints you than excites you. But in this case and for 30 euro /20 min. , I am not going to complain much. She was my appetizer that night before hitting Estark.

Don't know what happened to our friend Viajando but I was in Scandalo last Wednesday. Abrahim still on the door, same staff and decent selection of girls. I was asked once by Denisa (Said Italian but for sure Ro) for 100 e /30. I laughed out loud and wished her luck with it. Last time I posted on CDS I reported Victoria who wanted 300 then dropped to 200 (from memory). Repeated with blonde Anna again (glasses). Wanted 80/30 or 160/60 and we did a deal for 300 for 2 hours as I know her / her service level.

For the night I was there, every one started with 100 plus 10 for the room, and it was Sat. Night guys outnumbered the working girls, negotiation was not easy. I just landed not long before, so didn't bargain hard enough. What bothered me most was the attitude of the hot girls. Since they are in demand, not much efforts need to be spent to win their prizes. I just don't like to be in that situation when making deals.

[EddyTheEagle2]

Don't know what happened to our friend Viajando but I was in Scandalo last Wednesday. Abrahim still on the door, same staff and decent selection of girls.

Hi,

We must have missed each other for a drink then, and "war stories"! You are right that it was OK but not busy between 00.30 and 03.00. And a few with "big bunda". I had just returned from "Fontana" and a stop-over in "E-Stark" to meet Viajando for a beer.

"Fontana" early in the evening (20.00 - 20.30) about 10 girls and only me: sessioned with a blond Brazilian girl. And I made the schoolboy-mistake: there in no ATM so when you pay by (bank-) card they charge you 10% commission. Ggggrrrrr. On my way to the exit I met Mary from Dom. Republic: wooow: why didn't I see her before? OK, next visit I'll go for her!

In "E-Stark" around 23.00 about 40 girls and 30 men: good atmosphere! The girl I had sessioned with on Monday came to me again but this time I was there to have social talk with Viajando. So no session in "E-Stark" tonight. By the way, my favorite girl Florentina was in her homecountry and her small blond girlfriend was (not yet) my type.

From "E-Stark" to "Scandalo" ("San Miguel 0,0" is less better than a genuine "Heineken" but when driving drinking is "not done" !) I started in the bar of "MN" (stunning waitress!) with a few 1/2 liters and then to "S"; I was "invited" by a group of 4 girls (in the smoking area) but after a few minutes I decided that these group of "big bunda's" where not my cup of tea. And Camilla just went to the room with a client. So after a few more "Heineken" I decided to spent my money "in the street" (I stayed in "IBIS-budget" which is on walking-distance from "S") so a very slim African girl finished my night with a fantastic blow-job for just E 10. As we say in Holland: "You can only spent your money once: a "Heineken" OR a blowjob". I did both! LOL.

Thursday-night I spent my night in hotel Guadecorte-park close to "Fontana": very good hotel but this time bad weather (cloudy and 13*C) and I had work to do so no time for mongering.

[So Happy]

Guys, we're all senior members and regular contributors and this debate is endless as we all have our own preferences based on individual tastes, experiences, etc. So let's, as Payforit has proposed, end it now and revert back to what the forum and this thread is meant for, and that is sharing experiences and recommending clubs, brothels, girls, etc on the CDS? Pretty please, I am getting very bored and NOT SO-Happy?

[ShooBree]

Each to his own, I've stopped going to Germany since I believe Spain is so much better when it comes to mongering.

The service is better and it's cheaper for me, especially considering the fact that the wg: s in Germany won't honor the time. The wg: s in the FKK: s are notoriously known for their uppselling. In Spain I can get 45 minutes for a 30 minutes session, in Germany I can get 15 minutes.

It's also easier to negotiate toda la noche outside the club for a fair price in Spain.

The food is terrible and I don't put any value on the amenities.

[Pepe1976X]

My 2 cents. After mongering in all 3 countries.

1. Spain. Why - Fun and Variety. I am a night person, love to drink and have fun, then go to the room for a wild time.

2. Switzerland. I would visit again as Globe was pretty good and in general I liked Zurich more than Frankfurt or Berlin.

3. Germany. Functional and Organised. Lack of fun and variety - 95% + Romanians / Lost interest. The onsite cinema, gym, sauna, sleeping area's have no interest to me. I am there to have sex, not workout.

Cost. I spend whatever I have in my pocket regardless of which country I go. I take out a set amount of money, once its gone, I go home. I believe all 3 countries workout more or less the same cost.

My advice. Try all 3 places and enjoy. Different strokes for different folks.

Great summary Magic! I'm in the 1st category with you. As was recently posted the FKK Fan boys are enjoying 7 hours worth of ploughing through Gypsies for E50/30 minutes but each to their own LOL. I can imagine Globe would be pretty good and when I was last in Schweiz in bars it was apparent their were many Latina WG but never had the opportunity to investigate them as to where they operate or how much. The daily money just spent on eating drinking hotels was huge so for sure that Country will cost twice or three as much a Spain for a trip. That money spent in Madrid goes a lot further!

[Pepe1976X]

I'm afraid this is not fair. Reasons: First, rooms in Scandalo are really horribly basic. Uncomfortable flat queen beds, cold lighting options and unless you go to the domination room in the roof (which is very nice) it's poor. All compensated for by the stunning (bandy legged) Melissa.

Few guys spend 7 hours in FKK not drinking, eating rubbish etc. My typical day for example at Artemis: Arrive 1 pm. Pay entrance. Into gym for hard workout for 1. 5 hours. Shower, food (not bad but not awful). 3. 30 pm (weather dependant) relax by pool watching lots of naked woman wander by attempting to entice. Fabulous. 4. 30 pm professional massage for 1 hour by pool after sauna / shower. 6 pm first circuit of club and first room maybe 6. 30 pm to 7. 30 pm. Relax / swim / watch kino / sleep for an hour.

8. 30 -9 pm back into the action. Beer or two, search for second room with one of the best girls for 1-2 hours session..

Hi PayForIt,

Great report and info. At last a FKK fan that actually can find reasons for his preference. Glad you have enjoyed your time there but does not really entice me to be there for that length of time. LOL about the criticism of Scandalos rooms. Really!

[MagicSheep74]

I don't know how you arrive at this conclusion. I too have mongered in all 3 countries and know that Switzerland is in a whole other price league, at least how I roll. From the time you arrive everything from ground transportation to hotel rooms to food to pussy costs more. And I mean a lot more! The place is so expensive that they even had a vote on whether or not to set the minimum wage at $25 per hour, which would have been the highest minimum wage in the entire world! The way I roll, Switzerland is easily the most expensive with no other place being close. It's in a league of it's own in Europe. I'll take Germany thank you. Many of the same girls working in Switzerland have worked in Germany and vice versa. Germany = the best value for your money from among the 3 nations being discussed here. The proof is in the pudding. Have a look at the following list, and note the cities tied for number 2 and at number 6. Now, I don't care whose list you're looking at. Those two cities routinely show up!

http://mentalfloss.com/article/53631...pensive-cities

If the discussion is regarding value for money. Then Germany wins, apart from streetwalkers in Spain, then Asia of course, so on and so on.

If a person enjoys the spa experience whilst hammering through a bunch of Romanian gypsies, then Germany wins again.

But, if a person enjoys a more wide variety of cultures in a less mechanical, more fun environment, then Spain wins in my opinion.

My comment regarding. More or less the same cost. I simply allocate myself a set amount for a weekend, then spend it. Of course is Zurich is a more expensive city than Malaga, but I spend the same when I am out in both cities. Its just that I get the most satisfaction from mongering in Spain.

[Delta Indigo]

I don't know how you arrive at this conclusion. I too have mongered in all 3 countries and know that Switzerland is in a whole other price league, at least how I roll. From the time you arrive everything from ground transportation to hotel rooms to food to pussy costs more. And I mean a lot more! The place is so expensive that they even had a vote on whether or not to set the minimum wage at $25 per hour, which would have been the highest minimum wage in the entire world! The way I roll, Switzerland is easily the most expensive with no other place being close. It's in a league of it's own in Europe. I'll take Germany thank you. Many of the same girls working in Switzerland have worked in Germany and vice versa. Germany = the best value for your money from among the 3 nations being discussed here. The proof is in the pudding. Have a look at the following list, and note cities tied for number 2 and at number 6. Now, I don't care whose list you're looking at. Those two cities routinely show up!

http://mentalfloss.com/article/53631...pensive-cities

The non mongering side of Switzerland is very expensive and Spain is relatively very inexpensive, in fact Spain makes Germany look expensive to me and Germany is very cost effective. However the club mongering side of Switzerland is comparable to the the prices in most of the popular clubs in Spain, Vive and Scandalos vs. Club Swiss, Club History and Club Palace. I know Diana Plus or whatever it is called is different.

In my experience BBBJ is often refused in Spain, although almost all girls I went with agreed to it, so you can find it, but it is far more common in Germany and a given in Switzerland. I find it hard to believe that someone would think service in Spain compares to Switzerland in general.

That was my whole point initially, that is where I was agreeing with a lot of other ISGers, that Spain is not cost effective for mongering. Now for hotels, food (I love Spanish food) and red wine, Spain beats most other mongering destinations by a mile.

[The Cane]

I believe all 3 countries workout more or less the same cost.

I don't know how you arrive at this conclusion. I too have mongered in all 3 countries and know that Switzerland is in a whole other price league, at least how I roll. From the time you arrive everything from ground transportation to hotel rooms to food to pussy costs more. And I mean a lot more! The place is so expensive that they even had a vote on whether or not to set the minimum wage at $25 per hour, which would have been the highest minimum wage in the entire world! The way I roll, Switzerland is easily the most expensive with no other place being close. It's in a league of it's own in Europe. I'll take Germany thank you. Many of the same girls working in Switzerland have worked in Germany and vice versa. Germany = the best value for your money from among the 3 nations being discussed here. The proof is in the pudding. Have a look at the following list, and note the cities tied for number 2 and at number 6. Now, I don't care whose list you're looking at. Those two cities routinely show up!

http://mentalfloss.com/article/53631...pensive-cities

[MagicSheep74]

Well I have been to Spain, and you can read other opinions about the quality of service in Switzerland. This is not something obscure, it is well known. Some say and I agree service is better in Germany than Spain. Well guess what, service in Switzerland is very high, and better than Germany. You don't have to be a genius to realize this. Read the forums, in Germany you can get comparable service, in Switzerland it is virtually guaranteed and it costs the same as Spain, that makes Spain an awful deal club wise. These are far from blanket statements, I have experience in all three locations.

My 2 cents. After mongering in all 3 countries.

1. Spain. Why - Fun and Variety. I am a night person, love to drink and have fun, then go to the room for a wild time.

2. Switzerland. I would visit again as Globe was pretty good and in general I liked Zurich more than Frankfurt or Berlin.

3. Germany. Functional and Organised. Lack of fun and variety - 95% + Romanians / Lost interest. The onsite cinema, gym, sauna, sleeping area's have no interest to me. I am there to have sex, not workout.

Cost. I spend whatever I have in my pocket regardless of which country I go. I take out a set amount of money, once its gone, I go home. I believe all 3 countries workout more or less the same cost.

My advice. Try all 3 places and enjoy. Different strokes for different folks.

[PayForIt]

Hi Delta Indigo,

It helps everyone when making these blanket statements if you can supply supporting statements. The deal at Scandalos, Club, Music, Ambience, number of high rated WGs, Security, Quality of Rooms,

We all get it that if you spend 7 hours in an FKK don't drink, live off their humble fayre and ride 5 Roms without paying for up sells at E50.00 for 30 minutes yes outside of Greece we won't see combined price in any other European land but that is not the ideal visit for everyone or how all punter judge a memorable mongering experience.

Please do reply with the best choice of Fkks in Deutschland

I'm afraid this is not fair. Reasons: First, rooms in Scandalo are really horribly basic. Uncomfortable flat queen beds, cold lighting options and unless you go to the domination room in the roof (which is very nice) it's poor. All compensated for by the stunning (bandy legged) Melissa.

Few guys spend 7 hours in FKK not drinking, eating rubbish etc. My typical day for example at Artemis: Arrive 1 pm. Pay entrance. Into gym for hard workout for 1. 5 hours. Shower, food (not bad but not awful). 3. 30 pm (weather dependant) relax by pool watching lots of naked woman wander by attempting to entice. Fabulous. 4. 30 pm professional massage for 1 hour by pool after sauna / shower. 6 pm first circuit of club and first room maybe 6. 30 pm to 7. 30 pm. Relax / swim / watch kino / sleep for an hour.

8. 30 -9 pm back into the action. Beer or two, search for second room with one of the best girls for 1-2 hours session. 11 pm relax. Either head home, watch some sport on downstairs sky tv, or recover for final punt if so inclined, finishing no later than 2 am. Taxi back to Hotel Aspria (10 euros). Magnificent day. Minimum 2 rooms, often more if weather poor. Decent food, nice beers, great sights by the pool / outdoors, BBBJ in kino / gym / workout / professonal massage and a pick of over 120 girls. I'm afraid price doesn't really enter into it for me, however I walk out having done all of this for about the same price as a 2 hour session in Vive. Being surrounded by 120 naked ladies makes me feel like Julius Cesear himself.

Best clubs in Germany for my money are FKK Oase (and the absolutely strikingly stunning Katheryn the Great. Runs Melissa very close for top looking girl of all time), FKK Sharks in Darmstadt (bigger selection), Artemis, FKK Sunshine (Munich), Atmos and Harmony (Hamburg), Paradise Stuttgart (on right day) Oceans Dusseldorf, Samya Cologne, World (north of Frankfurt. Amazing rooms, gardens, pool and free beer) and Sakura (Boblingen). I haven't done Golden Time in Bruggen but plan to, or Acapulco Velbert but both get excellent reviews. The service is no less than in Spain and BBBJ is all but guaranteed mainly with no upsell. As I reported. There was a short period of upselling after the law change in July 17 - but its now back to normal.

So why do Spain at all? Here's the answer. As others have reported. It's just a better country and more interesting (and has better weather) than Germany. Add to that the ability to monger and it still ranks highly for me. I started this, and hopefully will close it with a simple comment. The Clubs and girls in Spain need to be careful not to overprice too much to lead to them closing. The service is not always that good, no BBBJ, no naked women, no other offerings (as above), no idea of what the girl will actually look like in the rooms (which compared to say FKK Mainhattan, Paradise or most at Sharks and Artemis. Are really poor). So Spain's attractions are actually more out of the clubs than in them. The food / culture / cities etc. My simple point is that prices have increased in Spain making it rather less viable as an option that previously given the choices elsewhere.

[Delta Indigo]

Hi Delta Indigo,

It helps everyone when making these blanket statements if you can supply supporting statements. The deal at Scandalos, Club, Music, Ambience, number of high rated WGs, Security, Quality of Rooms, a selection of WGs greater than just Moldova etc, etc does justify the prices if you get a 9 that rides well. The endless praising of FKKs flys in the face of other contributors of Puta reviewing sites as well as the Deutshland section here for Fkks. Over worked girls getting banged too much up to 10 rides a day, arrogant Romanian attitudes, up selling of OWO are just a few of the repeated comments.

Please expand on these "unquestionable better service."

Barcelona is more expensive for most things compared to Madrid so WGs in top Brothels will be more expensive too. Comparing Schweiz with Vive Madrid is not a viable comparison. Neither can you compare Madrid with Barcelona. Its Clubs vs Brothels for those two. Madrid has at least 40 Clubs 10 of which are very large so Vive does not totally represent the Spanish Puta scene and neither does it represent the Madrid scene. It's just it's biggest, most populous of WGs and probably best known and with those factors most expensive.

Spain is a great destination for mongering. Not so good in the winter if you go to a tourist beach area of course and as many of it's SPs are transient from South America you will need to be here in July when they return for the better climate and more tourists. If your experience is primary Scandalos that is a unique Club that should not form your judgement of all the Puta scene in Spain.

The revolving door in these comparison conversations always returns to cost. We all get it that if you spend 7 hours in an FKK don't drink, live off their humble fayre and ride 5 Roms without paying for up sells at E50.00 for 30 minutes yes outside of Greece we won't see combined price in any other European land but that is not the ideal visit for everyone or how all punter judge a memorable mongering experience.

Please do reply with the best choice of Fkks in Deutschland and please do factor in the bow legged and bandy Romanians from those double digit of punters each day that still have a positive attitude, don't upsell and enjoy being banged hard.

Well I have been to Spain, and you can read other opinions about the quality of service in Switzerland. This is not something obscure, it is well known. Some say and I agree service is better in Germany than Spain. Well guess what, service in Switzerland is very high, and better than Germany. You don't have to be a genius to realize this. Read the forums, in Germany you can get comparable service, in Switzerland it is virtually guaranteed and it costs the same as Spain, that makes Spain an awful deal club wise. These are far from blanket statements, I have experience in all three locations.

[Pepe1976X]

..........., clubs wise even Switzerland is competitive with Spain. The Globe and Vive Madrid, literally cost the same and the Globe's service levels are unquestionably better. There are many clubs in Switzerland, Club Swiss, Club History, Club Palace that are competitive with Scandalos and offer unquestionably better service................. but it really is not a good destination for mongering, it is only good for mongering if you are going there anyhow. ....................... Furthermore from what I have read, Barcelona is even more expensive than Madrid.

Hi Delta Indigo,

It helps everyone when making these blanket statements if you can supply supporting statements. The deal at Scandalos, Club, Music, Ambience, number of high rated WGs, Security, Quality of Rooms, a selection of WGs greater than just Moldova etc, etc does justify the prices if you get a 9 that rides well. The endless praising of FKKs flys in the face of other contributors of Puta reviewing sites as well as the Deutshland section here for Fkks. Over worked girls getting banged too much up to 10 rides a day, arrogant Romanian attitudes, up selling of OWO are just a few of the repeated comments.

Please expand on these "unquestionable better service."

Barcelona is more expensive for most things compared to Madrid so WGs in top Brothels will be more expensive too. Comparing Schweiz with Vive Madrid is not a viable comparison. Neither can you compare Madrid with Barcelona. Its Clubs vs Brothels for those two. Madrid has at least 40 Clubs 10 of which are very large so Vive does not totally represent the Spanish Puta scene and neither does it represent the Madrid scene. It's just it's biggest, most populous of WGs and probably best known and with those factors most expensive.

Spain is a great destination for mongering. Not so good in the winter if you go to a tourist beach area of course and as many of it's SPs are transient from South America you will need to be here in July when they return for the better climate and more tourists. If your experience is primary Scandalos that is a unique Club that should not form your judgement of all the Puta scene in Spain.

The revolving door in these comparison conversations always returns to cost. We all get it that if you spend 7 hours in an FKK don't drink, live off their humble fayre and ride 5 Roms without paying for up sells at E50.00 for 30 minutes yes outside of Greece we won't see combined price in any other European land but that is not the ideal visit for everyone or how all punter judge a memorable mongering experience.

Please do reply with the best choice of Fkks in Deutschland and please do factor in the bow legged and bandy Romanians from those double digit of punters each day that still have a positive attitude, don't upsell and enjoy being banged hard.

[Delta Indigo]

So after being able to still acheive 150/ hour when booking two hours in Scandalo, ventured to Fontana last night (Friday) - been the best club on the CDS for me in the last 2 years. So it proved again. The place has been overrun by south american chicas. Luz. Dom Rep. Past 30 but what an incredible body. Mary. Probably not 24 yet. Santiago Cuba. Superb waist, Shirley, Columbian (yes they're all called Shirley there! Long dark hair. Very white skin. Very pretty. But did I choose any of them? No. Guided by my long-time friend in there Rosa (glasses larger girl but lovely), I selected Ro, Alina. I've had great times in this club with Adela (now in UK) and Alicia (now in Malaga but I don't know where) and had a nice, if not spectaclur time with Alina. Long dark natural hair (no extensions). See cups natural and decent service with a smile. Didn't blow my socks off but very nice. 170 for the hour. A 20 increase since February. I asked why and got the same answer as Lola Sexy "business is slow". I explained that business would pick up if prices were lowered not increased! They don't get it. I explained that pretty girls in FKKs in Germany who charge 50/30 and 100/30 (house rules / more for extras) get a lot of rooms. I was with Catheryn the Great (Oase) last weekend. She did 15 rooms in a day and her record take in a day was 2500 including extras. A lot of the girls in Spain are hoping to get one room to cover house fee let alone two. It's defeating itself.

Glass Palace in Estepona is now standard 200 first asking price before negotiation. BBBJ is hard to negotiate in Spain. Not so in Germany. Yes for July and August 2017 immediatly after the new law it was a bit of a no-no but now it's back to normal and is standard. Spain is at real risk of pricing itself out of the market (at least in clubs). I don't do SW scene or Pasion etc. Too much risk in the first (and lack of quality) and too much bait and switch in latter. I love being in a club and choosing with a beer or two. But I'm afraid the lure of 100+ fully naked girls, around a pool, rubbing suntan lotion into you whilst you swig back a free beer, and for 50/30 in the big FKKs, is blowing Spain away for me. Risk factor on service is no issue in FKKs. You pay 50. If the girl is not performing you don't finish and you move on. You quickly find one you like who performs, have a great hour or so, explosive pop, go eat in the restaurant, sunbathe, maybe sleep, have a swim, watch the beautiful women parade around a pool, or indoors, and then go again when you've recovered. I used to say it's a close contest because by the time you pay 50/60/70 entry it was a close thing financially. It's not so equal now. In Spain, you pick a girl, don't know what the service is going to be like but if you want to get a decent reduction you must book at least an hour and then it might all be disappointing and you've spent 200 before you know it. That would buy entrance and 2 or 3 rooms in Germany. I'm afraid CDS (and Madrid) are losing their allure for me. I'll still come. I like the area and the people, but if I was booking a 4 day mongering trip it would no longer be in Spain.

I agree totally, I have had 3 recent mongering trips in Spain (Madrid and Malaga) vs many in Germany. The funny thing is this, clubs wise even Switzerland is competitive with Spain. The Globe and Vive Madrid, literally cost the same and the Globe's service levels are unquestionably better. There are many clubs in Switzerland, Club Swiss, Club History, Club Palace that are competitive with Scandalos and offer unquestionably better service.

I love Spain, the culture, food and landscape and although I like Germany too, I think that Spain is far more interesting in many ways, but it really is not a good destination for mongering, it is only good for mongering if you are going there anyhow.

Darling Cabaret in Prague where BBBJ is very difficult to get, costs the same as the Globe, and no one would think that is okay, so why do they think the prices in Spanish clubs is at all justified? Furthermore from what I have read, Barcelona is even more expensive than Madrid.

[Pepe1976X]

Glass Palace in Estepona is now standard 200 first asking price before negotiation. BBBJ is hard to negotiate in Spain. Not so in Germany. Yes for July and August 2017 immediatly after the new law it was a bit of a no-no but now it's back to normal and is standard. Spain is at real risk of pricing itself out of the market (at least in clubs). I don't do SW scene or Pasion etc. Too much risk in the first (and lack of quality) and too much bait and switch in latter. I love being in a club and choosing with a beer or two. But I'm afraid the lure of 100+ fully naked girls, around a pool, rubbing suntan lotion into you whilst you swig back a free beer, and for 50/30 in the big FKKs, is blowing Spain away for me. Risk factor on service is no issue in FKKs. You pay 50. If the girl is not performing you don't finish and you move on. You quickly find one you like who performs, have a great hour or so, explosive pop, go eat in the restaurant, sunbathe, maybe sleep, have a swim, watch the beautiful women parade around a pool, or indoors, and then go again when you've recovered. I used to say it's a close contest because by the time you pay 50/60/70 entry it was a close thing financially. It's not so equal now. In Spain, you pick a girl, don't know what the service is going to be like but if you want to get a decent reduction you must book at least an hour and then it might all be disappointing and you've spent 200 before you know it. That would buy entrance and 2 or 3 rooms in Germany. I'm afraid CDS (and Madrid) are losing their allure for me. I'll still come. I like the area and the people, but if I was booking a 4 day mongering trip it would no longer be in Spain.

Hi PayForit,

Thanks for your recent contributions. Always great getting the views and hearing of other experiences even if they do not entirely match my own. From recent conversations and also reading the reviews of FKKs visitors I hear of experience constant upselling and minimal service levels as these WGs are servicing 8 to 12 customers a day. Can you point me in the direction of the better Clubs where OWO is included and service is to a high standard? Thanks in advance.