Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Andalus Expat]

Thanks,

I think it is the Ukrainian one, where is it exactly? There are some nice photos on pasion, that's why I am interested, do you think that they are fake? Have you been there and how was your experience?

Thank you.

I think you may find they are a little older than their photos. And bigger. And I don't appreciate the woman who runs it treating me like a mug. I've forgotten more about the puta game than she knows. Including all the tricks can be played. Telling you one price on the phone & raising it 20€ when you arrive because it's "later" is one of them. Believe me, there are better places to go.

[Qazwsx5]

Russian house? Vanesa's Mexican not Russian. Has 3 or 4 other Latinas working with her usually. Here's the current Pasion ad.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-542684493.htm

Haven't been there for a month or so. No reason to. I have my hands full enough as it is. But we exchange messages regularly & she Whatsapped me photos of the current posse couple of weeks back.

If you're thinking of the apartment the southern side of the Feria run by the Ukrainian, I'd give it a miss if I was you. Bit too much bait & switch & optimistic fotos for my taste.

Thanks,

I think it is the Ukrainian one, where is it exactly? There are some nice photos on pasion, that's why I am interested, do you think that they are fake? Have you been there and how was your experience?

Thank you.

[Andalus Expat]

Thanks for the reply Andaluz expat.

I think that in your reports that you were talking about a Russian house near Fuengirola fair ground, where is this exactly? How is service over there? Have you been there recently?

Thank you.

Russian house? Vanesa's Mexican not Russian. Has 3 or 4 other Latinas working with her usually. Here's the current Pasion ad.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-542684493.htm

Haven't been there for a month or so. No reason to. I have my hands full enough as it is. But we exchange messages regularly & she Whatsapped me photos of the current posse couple of weeks back.

If you're thinking of the apartment the southern side of the Feria run by the Ukrainian, I'd give it a miss if I was you. Bit too much bait & switch & optimistic fotos for my taste.

[Qazwsx5]

Be pleased to. Debbi has a house on an urbanization about a couple of kliks from Mijas Pueblo. I've put contact details, services & photos on the secretgarden. Sexy website. I think she normally charges 100/ hour for incalls. Anal is probably an extra. As for the quality of service; I met her a year or so back & she certainly impressed me first time out. But, as with any girl, a lot depends on how you take to each other. As far as we're concerned, we seemed to click & we've seen a lot of each other. Turned out we've several mutual friends so we meet other than for paid reasons & we exchange a lot of calls & messages. I like her. She's good company as well as being adventurous in bed, on the sofa or wherever else we find appropriate. I've yet to get her together with one of the other girls but I know she enjoys girl / girl games.

Other action in the last couple weeks. Tamara, now calling herself Sarita, has an apartment in Calle Capitan, just round the corner from mine in Fuengirola. I've known her for a while but she'd been working up in Ronda for a few months & called to tell me she was back in town. Subsequently dropped by for a chat. To be honest she's not really what I like. About 40 & a tad on the hefty side. But she does go like a rocket, is up for anything & enormous fun. So I gave in to temptation. She was telling me she has some other girls working in the apartment, so a couple of days after went round for a look & brought Lucia home with me. Mid 30's, good figure, ample naturals. Certainly nothing to complain about her oral skills. So good, we went back to that for a finish & most of it went into her mouth. So that's one down & two more to try..

Thanks for the reply Andaluz expat.

I think that in your reports that you were talking about a Russian house near Fuengirola fair ground, where is this exactly? How is service over there? Have you been there recently?

Thank you.

[Nomeymom]

Touched down last week on CDS a bit far out this time wondering if anyone's been e92 this time of year and if its worth a 30 min drive? I would assume a lot of them have gone home for Christmas but thought NYE could be busy?

[Andalus Expat]

Hi Andalus expat.

Could you provide more info about saray (debi), how is the service? Rate? What is included?

Thank you.

Be pleased to. Debbi has a house on an urbanization about a couple of kliks from Mijas Pueblo. I've put contact details, services & photos on the secretgarden. Sexy website. I think she normally charges 100/ hour for incalls. Anal is probably an extra. As for the quality of service; I met her a year or so back & she certainly impressed me first time out. But, as with any girl, a lot depends on how you take to each other. As far as we're concerned, we seemed to click & we've seen a lot of each other. Turned out we've several mutual friends so we meet other than for paid reasons & we exchange a lot of calls & messages. I like her. She's good company as well as being adventurous in bed, on the sofa or wherever else we find appropriate. I've yet to get her together with one of the other girls but I know she enjoys girl / girl games.

Other action in the last couple weeks. Tamara, now calling herself Sarita, has an apartment in Calle Capitan, just round the corner from mine in Fuengirola. I've known her for a while but she'd been working up in Ronda for a few months & called to tell me she was back in town. Subsequently dropped by for a chat. To be honest she's not really what I like. About 40 & a tad on the hefty side. But she does go like a rocket, is up for anything & enormous fun. So I gave in to temptation. She was telling me she has some other girls working in the apartment, so a couple of days after went round for a look & brought Lucia home with me. Mid 30's, good figure, ample naturals. Certainly nothing to complain about her oral skills. So good, we went back to that for a finish & most of it went into her mouth. So that's one down & two more to try.

Saturday I got a pleasant surprise. There was a girl advertising I thought was a Dominicana I met a few months back. Different name, of course, but the photos looked similar. Mulata with good sized naturals & a trim figure. Turned out to be a different girl altogether. Colombiana from Cali & can't be much more than the advertised 19. Currently calling herself both Natalia & Carolina in different ads. And a little gem. 100/ hour incall plus 20 if you want her arse. And I wanted her arse. But she did some very good uncovered oral work first & then she used a vibrator on her clit while I fucked her vaginally until she orgasmed. Genuine too. She was soaking wet. Over onto her knees, & in the back door. And she loves it. She was still pushing back hard long after I'd finished. I'm already planning to get her round to my place for a rematch. She says she doesn't fuck girls but I'll have Soraya here & if anyone can convert her she will.

[Qazwsx5]

For those who've punted in Fuengirola in the past. Tony who ran the well known Fuengirola Port (you got what it said on the tin) apartment for many years recently died after a lengthy illness. I've no doubt there's many would join me in extending to Anna our condolences.

As for:

Looking back over just the last 10 pages, Mia Prada, Vanesa + 3 other girls sharing the house, Victoria, Andrea & Saray (now calling herself Debbi) were mentioned favourably by me on 25 October, Alejandra on 12 September & Thae on 15 August. Like you say, "no substitute for experience" If you were only looking for links to ads, I'm not stupid enough to post them. They are dead ends very quickly. The two links you posted re your unsuccessful foray round Marbella had expired within a week. That's regrettably how on-line advertising works. But I do try to give enough information, a search using it will find the girl if she's currently advertising. And anyone looking for a particular girl's welcome to PM me for phone numbers etc. As for whether they were good or not, I don't recommend the ones that weren't. And I don't generally bother about recommending girls are only expecting to be on this coast for a short period. What would be the point?

Hi Andalus expat.

Could you provide more info about saray (debi), how is the service? Rate? What is included?

Thank you.

[Andalus Expat]

For those who've punted in Fuengirola in the past. Tony who ran the well known Fuengirola Port (you got what it said on the tin) apartment for many years recently died after a lengthy illness. I've no doubt there's many would join me in extending to Anna our condolences.

As for:

What is hilarious is that if you go back through say 20 pages AE doesn't actually post any information about girls / names / sessions which were good / poor / locations etc. Which is a surprise for a guy who claims "no substitute for experience". But we are not treated to any. .

Looking back over just the last 10 pages, Mia Prada, Vanesa + 3 other girls sharing the house, Victoria, Andrea & Saray (now calling herself Debbi) were mentioned favourably by me on 25 October, Alejandra on 12 September & Thae on 15 August. Like you say, "no substitute for experience" If you were only looking for links to ads, I'm not stupid enough to post them. They are dead ends very quickly. The two links you posted re your unsuccessful foray round Marbella had expired within a week. That's regrettably how on-line advertising works. But I do try to give enough information, a search using it will find the girl if she's currently advertising. And anyone looking for a particular girl's welcome to PM me for phone numbers etc. As for whether they were good or not, I don't recommend the ones that weren't. And I don't generally bother about recommending girls are only expecting to be on this coast for a short period. What would be the point?

[ExpatLover]

Again, PayForIt, you're looking at things from the very narrow perspective of puticlubs. I'll give you it's entirely likely the RO's are going home. But most of us don't see a RO from one year to another. They've got a dreadful reputation as scam artists & fakes. We all avoid them like the plague. I would think clubs are the only places they can find work. Go look at the registration requirements on AdultWork. Last time I opened an account for a girl, there were extra validation procedures for Romanians & Bulgarians over & above what's required for EU nationals. Any RO's you do come across tend to pass themselves off as something else. Italians or whatever. There's one in Marbella pretending she's French. I speak better French than she does. The girls working on the CDS are mainly south & central Americans, a scattering of Russians, Ukrainians & central Europeans & of course, Spanish. Indeed the RO can get a cheap coach or a lift north (I had an epic trip myself a few years back returning half a dozen for a mate. Try Constanta for an alternative holiday destination. Avoid Timisoara at any cost). The Sudamericanas are looking at expensive flights. If they can get one or even afford one, after such a lean summer. As far as I can see, girls off the club circuit are finding themselves apartments & dropping back into the general puta population. Or moving north to France, Belgium, Holland etc where there's still money going around.

And you do have to factor in the mentality of putas. They really aren't very bright. You're not going to find many economists amongst them. And they have an enormous sense of entitlement. The general expectation is they'll chance upon some magic goldseam of money so they can carry on as if nothing has changed. Very few are yet accepting that the best way to earn is to cut prices & out-compete the other girls. Some are even doing the very Spanish thing & demanding more money.

Pretty and not stupid girls first will try to find a sugar daddy, second they will go to a serious escort agency and get 2 or 3 customers per week, in the recent years beautiful, natural, young beauties will not accept to get fuck 10 or 20 times a day for 50 euros the risk to get sick or in trouble is just to high.

[PayForIt]

I am surprised at you PFI, you come across as a reasonable intelligent and experienced poster on here.

Yet you constantly are taken in by AExPat's goading.

It beggars belief.

The guy (Ex Pat) obviously has issues, he appears like his sole gratification is coming on here spiting his 'holier than thou' attitude.

I think you did the right thing not taking him up on his invitation.

I can only imagine how bad an experience would be in his company telling you how great he is!

Yawn, yawn, yawn!

Maybe you are correct and I should ignore it all. But I do think his nick should change to Andalus Expert. To each their own. Just not willing to be drawn into it any longer. As you say, I appear to rise to the bait. I shall be a little surprised if he doesn't have another shot. But I'm not even in Spain now, and don't much care. I'll post in the Clubs only section but I think my time posting in the main CDS section is over. What is hilarious is that if you go back through say 20 pages AE doesn't actually post any information about girls / names / sessions which were good / poor / locations etc. Which is a surprise for a guy who claims "no substitute for experience". But we are not treated to any. Just monologue about his expertise in the mongering scene and how he is able to get the best sex on the planet for less than the price of a meal. I'm at it again. Rising to this silly bait. Well said.

[Jummy1]

I am surprised at you PFI, you come across as a reasonable intelligent and experienced poster on here.

Yet you constantly are taken in by AExPat's goading.

It beggars belief.

The guy (Ex Pat) obviously has issues, he appears like his sole gratification is coming on here spiting his 'holier than thou' attitude.

I think you did the right thing not taking him up on his invitation.

I can only imagine how bad an experience would be in his company telling you how great he is!

Yawn, yawn, yawn!

[PayForIt]

I think you're root problem, here, PayForIt, is you seem to be fairly clueless about the world of prostitution..

If my problem is being clueless, yours is a total lack of manners and decorum.

You speak about mongering as if you are the World's expert. Maybe you are. I don't claim to be. But I've had a lot of experience and most of it with girls who have to advertise to get work have been poor. Just my 2 cents. Not clueless. Informed based upon experience.

I thanked you for your invitation, which was the polite thing to do, and you respond with insults. Speaks volumes. I won't bother responding to any of your other posts, and thank God I didn't accept the invitation. I maybe clueless but I have some class.

You stick to your world playing host to hookers almost like the CDS Hugh Hefner, and I'll stick to mine. One I know like the back of my hand, enjoy greatly and I very much doubt many of those who have thanked me for a lot of reports over the years would agree with your clueless description. But well done. You've managed to stifle entirely my appetite for reporting on the CDS thread at all.

I may not agree with your views, but I try to avoid being arrogant and rude. You really should try it.

[Andalus Expat]

I think this sums up indie's for me as follows:

1. If they look good in the pictures don't select them as they won't be good!

2. If they look old, fat or ugly in the pictures they'll be true. But do I really want them. NO!

3. Totally agree that sessions with girls you know are always best. But you have to get to know them first and with indies that means doing a lot of your "auditioning" with a lot of girls you would not choose to spend time with. Not for me.

4. If you are getting sex for 50 euros an hour I have to wonder what the girls are like! Even in some of the remotest areas of Asia the girls want more than that! Sure you can get it for less. Even in Guadalhorce. But a quick BJ or FS behind some garage or in a car is really not for me. I suppose if you are looking after them, accommodating, feeding them the sex at 50/ hour might be another thing.

It's one of those - "each to their own". Just not something I'm likely to try again in a hurry when SO many of the girls in the pictures are just not the girl you'll meet. Some of the agencies in London have started to beat the bait and switch by introducing selfies onto the girls page so that you get to see what she is really like. Until slumi or pasion do that I'm afraid as they say on Dragon's Den - "I'm out"..

I think you're root problem, here, PayForIt, is you seem to be fairly clueless about the world of prostitution. For a start, you persist in talking about "indies" as any girl working outside of the puticlubs you visit. The actuality is your club girls are independents. As are streetgirls, agency girls & some of the girls you might meet in apartments. They pay for their own work accommodation (if they have such) & generally choose their own clients & charges & the duration of your encounter. You are their client. The girls who aren't independents work in apartments or villas. They get a split of the money you pay for the service & maybe a split of the money on drinks you pay for. You are a client of the house, not the girl. The house does the advertising, generally answers enquiries, sets the charges & manages the time you are with the girl. The dreaded knock on the door. The only discretion the girl has is in offering extra services, like anal sex, where she'll normally keep the money charged. She doesn't really have any option over providing a service to you. Girls who reject clients get quickly shown the door.

What you call FKK's operate in much the same way as Spanish puticlubs, as far as I'm aware from knowing girls who have worked them. They're from after I lived in Germany. Freikorperkultur means something entirely different to me.

And like most things, it's all about incentives. There are good working apartments & villas because regular satisfied clients are the bread & butter of any business. They get & keep the better girls. And there are rip off joints. Less common with villas because they have a big investment at stake. Independent girls working in their own or shared apartments have the same incentives. The girl who makes a good living at the game has a full regular client book. But of course there are the girls who will rent a room, do the false photos & the lousy service, change photos, name & phone number & do it all over again, somewhere else. Trick is working out which is which. No substitute for experience.

As for what you may find. Let Mr Bear speak:

I have also seen Noelia from www.secretgarden.sexy in her apartment in los Boliches, she is a very nice MILF probably in her mid 30's with a very nice body indeed! Enhanced tits, a firm ass and a beautiful face what else do you need really! Her cock sucking skill is second to none really! (Just like at Artemis FKK) those who knows they know! She doesn't speak any english that's the only negative I could say about her, super friendly attitude that I will for sure try to repeat again. 80 for an hour. Highly recommended!https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-542832800.htm

If you'd been able to accept my invitation you'd have met her. It was her birthday, yesterday. And a few of the other girls. We had a party, went on all night thanks to curfew. TeddyBears met Liz, last summer. You can read his report.

Clubs? I suppose if you want to compile a scorecard of pretty young girls fucked. I did a lot of puticlubs when I first came to Spain. Mainly up north of Valencia. Barcelona's not far from where I lived in France. I know Estark fairly well. I lived 10 minute's walk from it. I can remember precisely two of the girls. The rest I'd forgotten before I got home. Don't know why I wasted so much time & money. Mostly they're rubbish, unless you have very low standards. They're hardly incentivized are they? From their perspective, this is the first time they've met you & probably the last. Especially if you're a foreign visitor. They've got your money. Now it's let you get done what you came to do & get out the door. It's a ghastly job. A shift of being perched on high heels, back aching but a false smile plastered across their face, in the hope they can sales talk some asshole upstairs. (That's girls talking, not me) As far as good sex is concerned, it's like evening out out at McDonalds.

[PayForIt]

I'm not surprised you have trouble with the indie market if that's the way you approach it. Firstly, if the photos look too good to be true, they're too good to be true. Girl #1 are pro-shots & could have been nicked from anywhere. Doubt if any two are of the same girl. There's no continuity across them. Girl #2 Russian / Ukrainian & at that quality would be 250/ hour agency talent. Not doing 1/2 quickies for 60. Secondly, never ever go out with your tongue hanging out, panting. You need to be thinking with the brain between your ears, not the one further down.

Personally, I regard any first encounter with a puta as an audition. If she doesn't come up to scratch I walk. It's only lost me is a few minutes of my time & if it's a matter of necessity I'll have a back-up the other end of a phone call. If I decide to stay, it's often half an hour for a test drive, see how she performs. See if the services promised are delivered. If she's very good & we click I might extend. If she doesn't match expectations, so it's cost me a few Euros & I've probably had a pleasant interlude warm me up for that back-up.

Mostly I see girls I've seen before. They know what I like. I know what they like. One goes back nearly 5 years. More you go with a girl, better it gets. It's like having a very filthy girlfriend without the problems.

Money? With the regular girls, probably averages under 50 euros / hour. Sex time, not contact time. The clock's not running if we go out to dinner. They come to me. I pay them whatever I want to spend They stay as long as they like. Often that's the rest of the night. Indies can be very flexible about time & money with regular clients they like. They're not stupid. A regular clients better than sitting waiting for a phone not to ring.

I think this sums up indie's for me as follows:

1. If they look good in the pictures don't select them as they won't be good!

2. If they look old, fat or ugly in the pictures they'll be true. But do I really want them. NO!

3. Totally agree that sessions with girls you know are always best. But you have to get to know them first and with indies that means doing a lot of your "auditioning" with a lot of girls you would not choose to spend time with. Not for me.

4. If you are getting sex for 50 euros an hour I have to wonder what the girls are like! Even in some of the remotest areas of Asia the girls want more than that! Sure you can get it for less. Even in Guadalhorce. But a quick BJ or FS behind some garage or in a car is really not for me. I suppose if you are looking after them, accommodating, feeding them the sex at 50/ hour might be another thing.

It's one of those - "each to their own". Just not something I'm likely to try again in a hurry when SO many of the girls in the pictures are just not the girl you'll meet. Some of the agencies in London have started to beat the bait and switch by introducing selfies onto the girls page so that you get to see what she is really like. Until slumi or pasion do that I'm afraid as they say on Dragon's Den - "I'm out".

I have no doubt that if you are prepared to spend a lot of time and effort on cultivating relationships with a number of prostitutes you'll get decent service and get to find the odd gem. I don't have the time or the inclination for it when I can (still) go to a club, have a few beers and select from a lot of girls. Did two nights this week in E92 and Glass Palace and the clubs have managed to find ways to operate fully by converting to "hotels" you can stay in, where for "residents" you book into a room then the club remains open all night for residents only. The quality of the girls at GP was surprisingly good. The beauty of this, at least for me, is that there is no wondering what my selection actually looks like. I can see her in the flesh, talk to her in the bar to find out if I think the chemistry will be right etc.

And finally. Thank you for the kind PM. Much appreciated. Have fun. I leave the CDS for pastures new this week but undoubtedly return next year.

[Andalus Expat]

And for the indie lovers. Pasion has been restored!

I think you may have been a bit previous with your announcement, there, PayForIt. The pages you were seeing may have been old ones from before the site crashed. It still wouldn't accept new uploads until nearly midday, Sunday. I notice the tool for uploading photos is still Flash. Which gives some idea how clunky the rest of the site must be. Not surprising it's vulnerable to attack. We may see more of this.

I'm not surprised you have trouble with the indie market if that's the way you approach it. Firstly, if the photos look too good to be true, they're too good to be true. Girl #1 are pro-shots & could have been nicked from anywhere. Doubt if any two are of the same girl. There's no continuity across them. Girl #2 Russian / Ukrainian & at that quality would be 250/ hour agency talent. Not doing 1/2 quickies for 60. Secondly, never ever go out with your tongue hanging out, panting. You need to be thinking with the brain between your ears, not the one further down.

Personally, I regard any first encounter with a puta as an audition. If she doesn't come up to scratch I walk. It's only lost me is a few minutes of my time & if it's a matter of necessity I'll have a back-up the other end of a phone call. If I decide to stay, it's often half an hour for a test drive, see how she performs. See if the services promised are delivered. If she's very good & we click I might extend. If she doesn't match expectations, so it's cost me a few Euros & I've probably had a pleasant interlude warm me up for that back-up.

Mostly I see girls I've seen before. They know what I like. I know what they like. One goes back nearly 5 years. More you go with a girl, better it gets. It's like having a very filthy girlfriend without the problems.

Money? With the regular girls, probably averages under 50 euros / hour. Sex time, not contact time. The clock's not running if we go out to dinner. They come to me. I pay them whatever I want to spend They stay as long as they like. Often that's the rest of the night. Indies can be very flexible about time & money with regular clients they like. They're not stupid. A regular clients better than sitting waiting for a phone not to ring.