Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[Andalus Expat]

Scandalo seems to be owned by Imperativa. SL If you can interpret European company balance sheets, their '20 annual accounts will be published in the near future. They should encompass at least the first months of Covid lockdowns & restrictions. The fuller story will have to wait for the '21 figures. I'd be more interested in them than the opinions of a couple of managers expressed to a punter. What did you expect them to say? Rather than fly down for the odd visit, I live & operate here. And I'm well aware of the damage the past year & a bit has done to businesses. And is still being done. The current tourist season is nothing like back to normal & the leisure industry's 15% of the local economy. So there's a lot less money being fed into the rest of our economy. It's like a slow motion car crash. Businesses don't fail immediately. It can take a year or two. On the plus side there's a bit of a mini boom in foreign buyers of properties. So that's some inflow. But you'd have to look at the net rather than the gross because a lot of that money will be discharging existing loans or going to out of province sellers & not necessarily staying on the CDS.

PayForIt, I wouldn't regard someone who confesses himself he can't operate off of the nursery slopes of the puticlubs & FKKs as an experienced monger. It's a very small slice of the sport. I'd have more respect for Teddy Bears who hacks it without difficulty. The other guys, don't think I've met. The expertise required for a club is to be able to read the adverts on the carretara or remember the words "Taxista! Llevame a un puticlub, por favor". That's the point of them.

"when I want a girl to have a drink with me I will slip her 20 euros. She goes to the bar and buys her drink which costs her 10 if she buys it. Cost to me 20. Cost to the girl 10. Money in club till 10 only instead of the 15 they take out of the 30. One of the two owners says he would sack a girl if he saw this."

How would he sack her? She doesn't work for the club. She's a paying guest in the hotel. You have the transaction the wrong way round. The drink is the girl's way of extracting money from the mugs. The money the club takes is for providing that service to her, enables the transaction. It's all part of the illusion that is a puticlub. Guys generally don't go forking out 15 euros just because they're asked for it. No, I don't suppose he likes being cut out of the middle. Not much he can do about it. He's not going to want to lose her room rent & the money made on drinks she does accept. And everyone does it. I usually give them a ten to shut them up. Sends the signal "No soy un tonto."

I have no personal interest in the villa at all. Apart from wanting it to succeed because the girl running it's a friend & she's put a lot into it. I've built her a website & organized some promotional stuff. The only thing I get out of it is I don't pay the house side of the trick rate. But I get that at a couple of other places as well. Suits them if they're not busy. The girl gets money so they don't lose her. And it doesn't cost them anything, apart from not having her hanging around moaning about not earning. Likewise the website's free to users. Girls & readers. It's a hobby. Keeps me from getting bored. Anything's better than golf. I'm certainly not stupid enough to see this game as a way of making money. 90% of places fail within 6 months of opening. There's a supply & demand mismatch & it doesn't favour the supplier. Got a whole lot worse in the last year. And you're right about the Latin attitude to business. Try & introduce proper business techniques & the people you're working with would fight you every inch of the way. Not worth the hustle. There's all sorts of other business ventures I could make proper money in, if I was minded. Couple I do.

Anyway, enough about economics. But I hope it's useful to those punting down here to understand what's going on. There really are some splendid opportunities. Not so much in the initial prices. As I mentioned in a previous post, girls really don't like dropping those. But if you give them the idea that you might be back for more they'll try very hard to keep you as a client. Service can be delightful. Second time round, more so if you treat them well. But if they weren't first time you won't be going back, will you?

[PayForIt]

Jajajaja it's cruel!

Shame admin deleted his post. I thought it was funny!

Willy wanging is entirely new to me! Hey let's look at it differently. AE is an expert at some aspects of this. But his views on clubs are somewhat amiss. No worries. The guy posts a lot of useful stuff for punters so hats off to him. Hope Jimmy 1 or Jummy 1 whatever (is happy with that. Live and let live!

[Qazwsx5]

I have been following this forum for a few years now but only last year decided to sign up and post reviews etc. Without a doubt contributions from PFI and AE have been so useful to people reading the page, so that's that.

Now they disagree on some issues and IMHO they both are right to some extent. There is definitely less money around as andaluzexpat says so that affects many businesses, it is not just that some clubs and villas go out of business but also many private girls because if good looking ones lower their price then no one goes to the cheap ones. Now I definitely do not think that clubs like scandalo and estark are going out of business, the worst has passed now and they are still open but some smaller ones with ugly ones go out of business (hearing another person wants to buy selecta and start from scratch).

You are right about the Spanish increase the prices when demand is lower, it is just how they think it should be (some of them think by lowering the price you send a wrong message of lowering quality) .

Scandalo is expensive and looks less busy but I have been told that people who go there now actually spend money unlike old times when place was full but most of them were there having a beer and nothing else, so by increasing prices they have stopped young guys without money coming in (so less problem) , they say it is scandalos new policy (dunno if the manager has changed or not) and there are reports that some great looking girls from scandalo have gone to estark now because scandalo does not want to keep girls for more than a month (no matter how beautiful they are) they want to change the girls often to keep the rich regular clients.

That is why estark is very busy now, but many people who would not pay 230 euros in scandalo pay 80 in estark, so both are winning.

[Haitek]

Andaluz Expert V PFI in a massive Willy wanging exercise in front of about 6 followers at most?

You two have (PFI and AE have been doing this for the last? 18 months!

Both of you obviously appear to me at least, to be. Desperately trying to demonstrate your own machismo and faltering egos on a forum where who actually gives a fuck.

Alpha male stuff.

Give actually gives a fook.

There is no pride to be had between you guys.

Paying for sex is low. That's why you come here for validation.

Shouting who is best about it?

Jesus?

Get a grip you will you both.

Jajajaja it's cruel!

[Qazwsx5]

Hello, everyone,

I post rarely but I would like to thank the good reviews I have seen here on Velzquez 24 brothel.

Tried it this week in two different occasions and I had a blast.

Club is very neat, about 15 girls working here on a normal basis, with some changes every month more or less.

First I had an encounter with a Russian woman called Katia (she said age 32 but I would say personally 36). Looked like a MILF Version of Mia Wallace from pulp fiction movie with the fake dark hair but not with the bitchy attitude. I say the opposite, very GFE, not time pressuring, a lot of DFK and for the rest did a fantastic job (great natural oral, great fuck, great talk). She is not usually working here as she is residing in Barcelona.

Then Lizz, also working as an independent in Fuengirola but she told me she mixes with working in clubs in the region. She is from Chile I think, very firm body and tight ass, did a great striptease at first and then really good work on the rest, a girl with a lot of the energy, you don't need to do much, again very GFE attitude. Too bad that with an ass like this she didn't accept anal. It's not my thing but if you like she does bondage SM stuff too.

But I won't complain about a thing here, with both girls, we went over time without any problem.

Paid 120 eur per hour for each girl so It seems they increased their prices recently but again no complaints to give.

After these reviews, I have a question now, I am in Torremolinos and saw an ad for this former pornstar called Alexa Nasha: https://www.slumi.com/escorts/benalm...bomba-id-2k8xs.

Any recent reviews for her? Never tried the pornstar experience and am curious now.

She gives very good service, does not do anal tho I think but everything else is on the menu. Just it may be that in the videos she looks better than in person.

[Jummy1]

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[AlbanCeray]

Hello, everyone,

I post rarely but I would like to thank the good reviews I have seen here on Velázquez 24 brothel.

Tried it this week in two different occasions and I had a blast.

Club is very neat, about 15 girls working here on a normal basis, with some changes every month more or less.

First I had an encounter with a Russian woman called Katia (she said age 32 but I would say personally 36). Looked like a MILF Version of Mia Wallace from pulp fiction movie with the fake dark hair but not with the bitchy attitude. I say the opposite, very GFE, not time pressuring, a lot of DFK and for the rest did a fantastic job (great natural oral, great fuck, great talk). She is not usually working here as she is residing in Barcelona.

Then Lizz, also working as an independent in Fuengirola but she told me she mixes with working in clubs in the region. She is from Chile I think, very firm body and tight ass, did a great striptease at first and then really good work on the rest, a girl with a lot of the energy, you don't need to do much, again very GFE attitude. Too bad that with an ass like this she didn't accept anal. It's not my thing but if you like she does bondage SM stuff too.

But I won't complain about a thing here, with both girls, we went over time without any problem.

Paid 120 eur per hour for each girl so It seems they increased their prices recently but again no complaints to give.

After these reviews, I have a question now, I am in Torremolinos and saw an ad for this former pornstar called Alexa Nasha: https://www.slumi.com/escorts/benalm...bomba-id-2k8xs.

Any recent reviews for her? Never tried the pornstar experience and am curious now.

[AlbanCeray]

Hi guys,

I have a question: I met a nice chica here with whom I would like to have sex, but we are both not free and can only do this in her car, which is not so comfortable. Does anyone know if there are also hotels here where you can rent a room by the hour? Proximity of Estepona.

Thanks!

Maybe a bit late for your request but I tried a few months ago El themple love hotel in Malaga city center where you can rent lovely rooms for a few hours. I would assume the place still exists.

[PayForIt]

It's why, on the club board, I express doubts about Scandalos. I'd say there's a lot of wishful thinking going on by people who know fuck all about the industry. There's a thing called optimal pricing.

Who are the "people who know fuck all"? Me? The Cane? Shoo bee? Teddy Bears? All very experienced mongers? I've been back through the club board, I don't see "a lot of wishful thinking". I see comments, mainly mine, relaying what is actually happening when I am there, and the comments of club owners who I know and speak to. How are you more of an authority on the industry than people who have been running these clubs for many years? You are entitled to your view but the past 18 months has proven that your views, at least so far, are completely wrong. You predicted nothing but gloom. That the clubs would all go out of business, E92 wouldn't survive, Scandalos would not survive etc. I responded to say I did not agree, that in all probability the oldest profession in the world would survive, as it always has, and that these big clubs have made enough money to ride this out. I based those comments not on hope or "wishful thinking" but on actual conversations with club owners. As previously stated, you have a personal interest. You run a villa / website so I presume you don't want clubs to survive. They are not only surviving but they are doing well. E92 has spent money refurbishing. How can it do that if it is about to close? On one of the slowest nights of the week in any club, a Sunday, you still saw 45 girls in E92 recently. That means there would have been 60 or 70 on the Friday or Saturday. That is back to the good old days. The quality of the girls in Scandalos right now is better than it has been for the last 10 years. I know. I have been going there that long!

All this doom and gloom about clubs ending is, respectfully, nonsense, or is it your own wishful thinking?

You remark on girls "moving on". It happens in every single club. But there are also many who do not move on. I rattled off last week "regulars" in E92 - Ina, Alicia, Bianca, Monika, Monica, Beatrice, Nicole, Maria, Marissa, Kelly. They have all been working there at least 3 years. They haven't moved on anywhere. I doubt they remain if they are making zero money as you suggest, yet pay 75 e per day to live and / or work there. In Scandalos, Norena, Anna, Denisa, Julia, Johanna, probably more I could think of if I spent 10 minutes on it. All been there 3+ years. Haven't moved on. In every club there will be those who travel through. They don't leave because the club is going to close or there is zero work. They are either not good looking enough to attract paying punters in that competitive environment or they don't like the set up, or the area, or they think the club is too cliquey and the girls not welcoming. Ask the morass of girls who swish through 100+ FKKs in Germany and are constantly on the road. They will tell you why they move on. It might be that the regular girls have a grip on the regular punters. But you almost give the impression that the clubs will be abandoned by the girls. You were saying that during the height of the pandemic. It is, again, without foundation. The girls have not given up on the clubs at all. They won't all run to apartments or villas to ply their trade.

Optimal pricing is not considered viable in Spain. It is something wrong with their cultural attitude to economics. I have relayed many times the Marbella Club golf analogy. Post credit crunch moving a round from 60 euros to 140 or 160. Only 4 people on the course at those prices. When I asked the pro why they didn't have a promotion of 45 euros a round and they'the have 100 people on the course he looked at me as if I was a madman. Their mentality is that if money is down you put up prices to recover your losses. It is a shame. Optimal pricing policy is also known as perfect price discrimination, which means that a company segments the market into distinct customer groups and charges each group exactly what it is willing to pay. The optimal price and volume refer to the selling price and volume at which a company maximizes its profits. https://smallbusiness.chron.com/pric...icy-36020.html This is not an accepted principle in most Spanish industries. Restaurants do the same. When the curfews were imposed and they had to close earlier a good friend (Spanish) who runs a successful restaurant outside Estepona put his prices up "to make back what I lose when I have to close early". Inside 10 days his customer figures dwindled. I begged him to reduce his prices to lower than they were before he increased them. He agreed to try this for 3 nights provided I ate at the restaurant all three nights with 3 friends! I could tell he had no faith at all it would work. With the help of a billboard outside promoting the new "low price curfew offers" his restaurant was packed on those three nights and on the last night my friends and I ate for free as a thank you. The curfew eased, his prices went back to normal. I left Spain and another curfew was imposed to an even earlier time. I think 6 pm. One of my three friends called me to say "Juan increased his prices up again". He hadn't learned anything. I'm afraid the Spanish mentality to economics is not in tandem with established pricing principles / price discrimination.

As I posted in the clubs forum, I have tried to persuade the owners at E92 to change the lady drinks policy to 15 euros instead of the now 30 price. It was formerly 20. My efforts were in vain. I told them that in future, instead of paying the club 30 for a girls drink, when I want a girl to have a drink with me I will slip her 20 euros. She goes to the bar and buys her drink which costs her 10 if she buys it. Cost to me 20. Cost to the girl 10. Money in club till 10 only instead of the 15 they take out of the 30. One of the two owners says he would sack a girl if he saw this. I ask him how he will know if we go play roulette and I give her money to play? If she then chooses to play some (or not) and drink some. How can they tell. "Most guys are not so smart" he laughingly responded. They just don't get it and they are not going to. So I've given up trying. In fairness. Their decision to increase to 30 was a demonstration of price discrimination. Maxing out on what they believe the customer WILL pay. As the owner said to me - "we know guys pay 50 for drinks at Scanadalos and Glass Palace in Estepona". So having considered what the market will stand. They adjusted. Still doesn't cancel out the overall turnover generation by increased sales from lower index price, but they will never go to that. It is not about maximising profit. In Spain, be it clubs, restaurants, golf courses or whatever. It is about charging what they believe the customers will pay. Even if it means fewer will do so, and less overall profit. If it was done deliberately to improve the quality of clientele I would totally understand that. But it is not.

I really wouldn't have too many doubts about Scandalos. Trust me, it is thriving. They hiked the prices for the rooms considerably as a test and to mine and everyone else's dismay, it did not turn the tourists away. It changed the dynamic so that the paying audience is now predominantly wealthy Moroccan guys, Asian guys making a lot of cash on Poligono Guadalhorce, and it has driven the previously cash conscious Spanish punters away. It actually has improved their clientele. To some extent they consider they can do this because they consider they have a monopoly. It is a reasonable economic consideration. They have (amazingly) realised they need not worry about allocative efficiency. Monopolies can increase price above the marginal cost of production and are allocatively inefficient. This is because monopolies have market power and can increase price to reduce consumer surplus. Truth is there is no real viable option (of quality) for those who like to choose from a larger line up, in Malaga. Sala Divas hardly compares, Glass Palace across the road (formerly Latidos) never took off, so they can exploit their monopoly. Exactly the same happens in Berlin. Unlike in Frankfurt where there are 5 big FKKs, keeping prices down, Artemis is the only FKK in Berlin with the result that it is significantly the most expensive FKK in Germany.

So you really need not have doubts about Scandalos. It is perfectly located close the airport, away from residential areas, even for Spanish guys. Their car isn't getting spotted near some brothel because it is miles away from anywhere and passing traffic doesn't really exist. Scandalos is making a small fortune. It will have its quiet (Sunday) nights but for the most part, it is flying. For me, Malaga needs another viable option. If someone opens a decent club close to Scandalos, with good looking girls, giving them a slightly higher portion of the cake and treating them well, then, and only then, will Scandalos have a need to reconsider its policies and worry about its profitability.

If these big clubs can cope with closures, limitations, restrictions of the type in the last 18 months, and they have done and are doing well again, you can be sure they are going to be with us for a long time. And that, my friend, is a million miles away from "wishful thinking" and is based upon logic, customer intelligence, owner information, and fairly basic economics. Hopefully none of this was from someone who knows "fuck all".

[Andalus Expat]

Thanks for the reply.

Also it seems that villa magna and golden cock are actively looking for girls, as AE has said, they possibly do not have enough girls to open the club, so maybe that is why they are closed on some nights.

Indeed, Qazwsx5. You're looking at Catch22 in action. And it can be a very hard cycle to break. The truth is; there's probably less than 50% of the money available to the sex industry now that there was in '19. And '19 was at the bottom of a slope that's been declining for some years. Most of these places got themselves established in the fat years some time back. There just isn't enough spending around to support all of them. How can you operate a club a few days a week? The girls want sustained regular dependable work. They won't hang around.

It's why, on the club board, I express doubts about Scandalos. I'd say there's a lot of wishful thinking going on by people who know fuck all about the industry. Yes, we've had a bit of a revival of the tourism this summer. But much of it's Spanish from the inland cities taking the holidays they missed last year. Heavy on families. Their spending patterns are different. Restaurants & bars cater for Spanish tastes are busy. Those that cater for foreigners often empty. Visitors, like the guys post on this & the club board are drawn to the "named" establishments because they don't know anything else. Or find it difficult operating off the nursery slopes of the clubs. The Spanish don't have that problem. It was obvious what was happening when I was in Estark last week. Young Spanish guys enjoying the eye candy for the price of a beer. If they're determined to get laid they can be in an apartment in 10 minutes, getting the job done for half the price.

The reality's these are businesses that require a certain turnover throughout the year to remain viable. Not just a few busy weekend nights at the peak of the holiday season.

Something to add. The people who run these places are mostly clueless about business. They got into this when anybody could make money & never learnt. There's a thing called optimal pricing. We'll do it with drinks. You can almost ignore the cost of the drink itself. To the club it's trivial. You price your drinks at 20 euros you sell your customer one drink & make 20. You price your drinks at 10 & your customer buys three drinks. He spends 30 you take 30. He is happy, you take more money. You also get more customers because you're the bar sells cheap drinks. Because most of the costs of running an establishment are fixed costs. Lighting, aircon, staff wages etc etc don't rise with turnover. You make a lot more profit. This is how supermarkets make billions out of 2% mark-ups. Don't bother about trying to explain this to the people run these places. To them, if they get less customers & sell less drinks, a greater proportion of their operating costs must be put on each drink. They raise prices. It's a feedback loop to going bust.

[Qazwsx5]

For me her face is not beautiful, but we all have different taste. But she is far from ugly!

My meeting with her was very good and as I wrote and I would happily see her again because her service level is very good.

Don't really know what more to write about her really. She is young and tight!! Go and see her, I can almost guarantee that you will have a good time, worst case scenario you get a good massage and a superb blowjob!

Thanks for the reply.

Also it seems that villa magna and golden cock are actively looking for girls, as AE has said, they possibly do not have enough girls to open the club, so maybe that is why they are closed on some nights.

[TeddyBears]

For me her face is not beautiful, but we all have different taste. But she is far from ugly!

My meeting with her was very good and as I wrote and I would happily see her again because her service level is very good.

Don't really know what more to write about her really. She is young and tight!! Go and see her, I can almost guarantee that you will have a good time, worst case scenario you get a good massage and a superb blowjob!

[Qazwsx5]

I wrote this about her in March. And I can ad that I do recommend her and wouldn't mind seeing her again.

"I also wanted to see a massage / escort girl in Fuengirola named Paula since she has a verified reputation and it doesn't lie! She is an massage girl with roots in Philippines and Paraguay, her face is more Paraguay than Asian if you understand me?! For me her face is not very pretty but her body is rock hard her photos are accurate, the girl is muscular! I choose to start the session with 20 minutes of massage and she actually is very good at massaging. Then she asks you if you like kissing and totally attacks you with DFK and her oral without is very skillful. The girl can fuck, believe me! She even took the juice in her mouth. An hour and a half for 150.

Happy mongering!

Thanks for the reply.

Is her face bad? I mean how would you rate her face? Because it is important for me, don't want to go there and see something that I do not like. Thank you very much.

[TeddyBears]

I wrote this about her in March. And I can ad that I do recommend her and wouldn't mind seeing her again.

"I also wanted to see a massage / escort girl in Fuengirola named Paula since she has a verified reputation and it doesn't lie! She is an massage girl with roots in Philippines and Paraguay, her face is more Paraguay than Asian if you understand me?! For me her face is not very pretty but her body is rock hard her photos are accurate, the girl is muscular! I choose to start the session with 20 minutes of massage and she actually is very good at massaging. Then she asks you if you like kissing and totally attacks you with DFK and her oral without is very skillful. The girl can fuck, believe me! She even took the juice in her mouth. An hour and a half for €150.

Happy mongering!

[Qazwsx5]

Does anyone know anything about paula quartz fuengirola (she has a website, she iads herself as a masseuse but gives full service it seems).