Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[NealRedmond]

Love this site. Just found it but have been on the usa version for a while and it is the most reliable info source out there.

I come to CDS a couple of times a year and so far have contacted girls through one of the escort websites which has ended meaning an agency. Each time the girl offered and picked ended up being totally different to the girl I met and the service requested (anal) was not on offer. Can someone recommend a way that I can find someone who isn't a bait and switch.

I see pasion.com. Is that real or another CL full of scammers.

Thanks for the help and let me know if anyone needs west coast usa advice.

[PayForIt]

"Obviously some of them are making lots of money and actually go back home after working 2 weeks because they think they have earned enough money and can relax for a few months" Won't be the first time I've heard that fantasy. You do realize club putas lie, don't you? They're in a business that's flat for half of the year. With the busy part of the day compressed into very few hours. And their personal shelf lives are very short. They're after every earnings opportunity they can get in a very tough season. The only girls I've know do that sort of thing are the independents with extensive client books. Where they can be confident of the future. Or girls like Maria. Where her life is around her body-building & working is just what pays for it.

Club managements lie through their teeth. All of those girls will have been told E92 just bursting with geezers clamouring to hand them their money. And she'll be one of the few there to take it. Not saying the apartments are any different. One still sees adverts claiming they'll make 5000 a week. If it's that good, why are they advertising for girls? They already have them.

But you're right. Estak's in the business of renting rooms not ensuring putas get fucked. And the supply side of gullible chicas is virtually unlimited. One meets them at the bus station begging for the price of a ticket to somewhere else.

Once again, you are in the habit of spouting out matters of opinion (which are wrong) as matters of fact. You just don't know or understand the club scene any more. You recently went through your life history of where you've lived and when. It presented a picture which makes clear (if your history was truthful and accurate) that you are now in your 70's or older. Either that or your dates are wrong. You don't understand how clubs and girls in them work now. Examples: (1) many successful girls, as Qaz rightly posted (and he knows because unlike you he goes to clubs and sessions with, and talks to the girls who work in them. Not for 15 minutes one early evening but regularly) DO work for a few weeks then return home. I know it for a fact. I've actually contacted some girls I know well when I was due to be in their country for example with work, and arranged to meet. Either just to say Hi / dinner / lunch or for more (discreetly). There are several girls in this category. Popular blonde, Marilyn Monroe lookalike Ana. Was E92 now Scandalos has a very successful business outside of Spain / sex industry. But she has regular clients who she will come to Scandalos for 2 or 3 weeks to see and exploit (of course) as the money is so good. Her looks and service levels mean she doesn't have to work hard to earn. She never works independently as she wants the security of being in a club environment with doormen etc if things go wrong rather than being visited by an unknown with little or no backup or worse, doing outcalls. She is not alone. There are several girls in E92 have very regular clients who enable them to take a lot of breaks. Blonde Beatrice, professional dominatrix, has a Swedish billionaire who visits regularly. He takes 4 girls to the room at 10 pm until 4 pm and buys 6 bottles of their finest champagne sold at an extortionate 400 euros per bottle. No discount given for bulk. I've met him once. Whilst those 6 hours should cost him €1200 for each girl (so €4800) plus the €2400 for the champagne alone (he buys other drinks), I know his business makes many times more in that 6 hours for him than the €8-10,000 he spends that night. In case you are wondering about my maths, he heavily tips each of the 4 girls at 4 am. Wait for this. When he comes over he does 4 nights running at E92 and repeats this routine with the same 4 girls each night. Means that at the end of those 4 nights the girls are not far off €7000 better off and they've barely had any sex. He likes to party in the room, dancing, singing, listening to music and even passing out with the drink / waking up with them! He's a lucky guy in terms of being able to splash like this. You think they consider it "a very tough season"? Total and utter nonsense. They take the next week or two off and they know this guy is back every few months.

Some of the not so pretty girls still take time off. They have lower expectations of profits and so long as they make enough to have their kids minded at home, then visit, they do so. I could name 3 girls in E92 in that boat. For them it is harder. But they take breaks. So your mantra that they are all liars about taking time off is just hopelessly incorrect. For sure all putas lie. About services, their age, etc. But many do take breaks. Nearly all of the girls who work in FKKs in Germany take lots of breaks. They are fucking 20 guys a day on a good day. Nobody can keep that up physically let alone emotionally. Working girls in clubs take breaks. That's not a lie and the notion that only independents like this Maria (good luck to her) take breaks is a total fallacy.

"Club managements lie through their teeth". You really do not understand (a) how this works (b) how dangerous a statement that is. As the post was entirely about E92 you are making a direct allegation of fact against Cornel and Juan. If they read your post they will undoubtedly consider you have libelled them. Which you have done. They do not lie to the girls promising them a long line of wealthy George Clooney lookalikes because the girls would depart within days. They have to try to develop good working relationships with the girls, who (a) pay for accommodation (b) encourage their friends to come work at the club and pay for entry / accommodation and to retain their best girls. So they make no false promises. They tell the girls that the club business is lumpy. Seasonal, that some weeks its weird and an early weeknight can be busier than expected, and a Friday can be quiet. But not normally. They will discuss the general ages and origins of client base, and ask other girls who work in the club to talk through average nights / punters and earnings. This is a mile off "lying through their teeth". They may exaggerate how many girls are working on a given night as they are not sure (to punters to entice them in) but then it's impossible for them to be accurate given the girls live above and can decide when to work and not to. Many elect not to. Christina (brunette) is a known party animal who has a party in her room one night per week. No work, no guys allowed. Just other working girls. Management don't know how many will go into the bar to work that night when she is hosting her party.

The management don't lie about how many girls are occupying rooms as they want to sell rooms to punters. Before now I have been told (including in the last 2 years) that there are no rooms available as they are all taken by girls. I've had to book elsewhere. The club lost money by not selling me a room. Why would they lose that income if they had a free room? The don't like through their teeth and its a seriously false statement that should be withdrawn.

Stick to what you know. The bait and switch industry. Your thoughts and opinions about clubs are being posted as statements of fact when the reality is that you just don't know what is happening on the ground in clubs any longer (if indeed you ever did).

[Andalus Expat]

What estark wants is to rent out its rooms and by the look of things they are quite successful, whether girls are earning money or not is another matter. Obviously some of them are making lots of money and actually go back home after working 2 weeks because they think they have earned enough money and can relax for a few months, but many don't make much. Its the same thing with villas and apartments, not all girls earn the same, one factor is the looks and another factor the services and their attitude, about the looks they can't change much but the ones not beautiful try to offer more services to attract more clients.

, the problem in estark is that some of the more popular ones offer all services so the ugly ones are left with little work. Thats why many stay for a few days and then leave but others come in hoping they can get clients.

"Obviously some of them are making lots of money and actually go back home after working 2 weeks because they think they have earned enough money and can relax for a few months" Won't be the first time I've heard that fantasy. You do realize club putas lie, don't you? They're in a business that's flat for half of the year. With the busy part of the day compressed into very few hours. And their personal shelf lives are very short. They're after every earnings opportunity they can get in a very tough season. The only girls I've know do that sort of thing are the independents with extensive client books. Where they can be confident of the future. Or girls like Maria. Where her life is around her body-building & working is just what pays for it.

Club managements lie through their teeth. All of those girls will have been told E92 just bursting with geezers clamouring to hand them their money. And she'll be one of the few there to take it. Not saying the apartments are any different. One still sees adverts claiming they'll make 5000 a week. If it's that good, why are they advertising for girls? They already have them.

But you're right. Estak's in the business of renting rooms not ensuring putas get fucked. And the supply side of gullible chicas is virtually unlimited. One meets them at the bus station begging for the price of a ticket to somewhere else.

[Qazwsx5]

Calle Salinas has always had a good reputation. Why it's still going after to knowledge at least 6 years. So it gets regular clients. And attracts the sort of girls it does. Not particularly pretentious but GVFM. They probably actually earn more than some of those in the higher priced establishments. Story to illustrate my relationship with it. One day got a message from a girl who'd worked there. Real name Betty. Equador. She was stuck in Switzerland, broke. So I bought her an air ticket to Madrid. A year later she turned up here & gave me the 65 euros I'd paid for it. There's similar apartments all along the coast & for that matter throughout Spain. At all price & quality levels. Just a matter of knowing them. Don't suppose the advertising ban will effect them. They sell the most valuable commodity of all. Confidence. I have a two way relationship with some of them because I'm fairly well known & I have girls contact me who are looking for a place to work. So I put them in touch with somewhere might suit them. Placed one a couple of days ago. Makes me popular with both the xicas & the casas.

Of course there's the other sort of apartment. There's one here, just looking at their adverts paints the picture. Three bed flat, they're usually advertising 5 or 6 girls. There will be a couple of new ones on Monday. Who'll disappear from the ads on Wednesday to be replaced by a couple of others. And another change for the weekend. How many girls they've actually got. I know they use photos of girls have worked there in the past because I knew where the girl actually was. The adverts claim all the girls offer the complete range of services. Mostly they don't. Photos of the girls they have tend to be very optimistic. Not hard to work out what's going on. The chicas respond to an ad offering plazas, muchos clientes, mucho dinero. Stay a couple of days, make virtually nothing, piss off. Word has gone round the locals, give it a miss. The only clients they do get are the ones fooled by the ads who then don't return, so they've a very poor client base. How not to make money, eh? Shame. Was quite good place two or three years ago. Then they went this route. If you'd prefer to avoid, numbers ending 300 & 841. Places like this (& individual girls) proliferated with the advent of smart phones & easy internet advertising. It produced a level playing field where it's hard to distinguish a genuine ad from false. With that presumably ending, maybe we go back to before.

On the subject of GVFM, highly amusing reading all the whining about prices over on the club board. Out in the wider world, prices have been falling for a couple of years. Still are. But captive market. The clubsters don't want to go anywhere else so the managements & the girls can skin them. They hold all the cards. Although somehow I doubt it's the girls benefiting. You reckoned E92 was boasting 120? So that requires 120 spending punters through the doors a night for them to break even. More realistically double that to cover food & maintenance. And you saw 30? It'll be the managements hoovering it up.

What estark wants is to rent out its rooms and by the look of things they are quite successful, whether girls are earning money or not is another matter. Obviously some of them are making lots of money and actually go back home after working 2 weeks because they think they have earned enough money and can relax for a few months, but many don't make much. Its the same thing with villas and apartments, not all girls earn the same, one factor is the looks and another factor the services and their attitude, about the looks they can't change much but the ones not beautiful try to offer more services to attract more clients.

, the problem in estark is that some of the more popular ones offer all services so the ugly ones are left with little work. Thats why many stay for a few days and then leave but others come in hoping they can get clients.

[OffMan73]

Hello Mr, enjoy your posts. How can I contact you?

Calle Salinas has always had a good reputation. Why it's still going after to knowledge at least 6 years. So it gets regular clients. And attracts the sort of girls it does. Not particularly pretentious but GVFM. They probably actually earn more than some of those in the higher priced establishments. Story to illustrate my relationship with it. One day got a message from a girl who'd worked there. Real name Betty. Equador. She was stuck in Switzerland, broke. So I bought her an air ticket to Madrid. A year later she turned up here & gave me the 65 euros I'd paid for it. There's similar apartments all along the coast & for that matter throughout Spain. At all price & quality levels. Just a matter of knowing them. Don't suppose the advertising ban will effect them. They sell the most valuable commodity of all. Confidence. I have a two way relationship with some of them because I'm fairly well known & I have girls contact me who are looking for a place to work. So I put them in touch with somewhere might suit them. Placed one a couple of days ago. Makes me popular with both the xicas & the casas..

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[Andalus Expat]

Interesting contacts there, but 80 an hour seems very cheap if the photos are real and not old.

Calle Salinas has always had a good reputation. Why it's still going after to knowledge at least 6 years. So it gets regular clients. And attracts the sort of girls it does. Not particularly pretentious but GVFM. They probably actually earn more than some of those in the higher priced establishments. Story to illustrate my relationship with it. One day got a message from a girl who'd worked there. Real name Betty. Equador. She was stuck in Switzerland, broke. So I bought her an air ticket to Madrid. A year later she turned up here & gave me the 65 euros I'd paid for it. There's similar apartments all along the coast & for that matter throughout Spain. At all price & quality levels. Just a matter of knowing them. Don't suppose the advertising ban will effect them. They sell the most valuable commodity of all. Confidence. I have a two way relationship with some of them because I'm fairly well known & I have girls contact me who are looking for a place to work. So I put them in touch with somewhere might suit them. Placed one a couple of days ago. Makes me popular with both the xicas & the casas.

Of course there's the other sort of apartment. There's one here, just looking at their adverts paints the picture. Three bed flat, they're usually advertising 5 or 6 girls. There will be a couple of new ones on Monday. Who'll disappear from the ads on Wednesday to be replaced by a couple of others. And another change for the weekend. How many girls they've actually got. I know they use photos of girls have worked there in the past because I knew where the girl actually was. The adverts claim all the girls offer the complete range of services. Mostly they don't. Photos of the girls they have tend to be very optimistic. Not hard to work out what's going on. The chicas respond to an ad offering plazas, muchos clientes, mucho dinero. Stay a couple of days, make virtually nothing, piss off. Word has gone round the locals, give it a miss. The only clients they do get are the ones fooled by the ads who then don't return, so they've a very poor client base. How not to make money, eh? Shame. Was quite good place two or three years ago. Then they went this route. If you'd prefer to avoid, numbers ending 300 & 841. Places like this (& individual girls) proliferated with the advent of smart phones & easy internet advertising. It produced a level playing field where it's hard to distinguish a genuine ad from false. With that presumably ending, maybe we go back to before.

On the subject of GVFM, highly amusing reading all the whining about prices over on the club board. Out in the wider world, prices have been falling for a couple of years. Still are. But captive market. The clubsters don't want to go anywhere else so the managements & the girls can skin them. They hold all the cards. Although somehow I doubt it's the girls benefiting. You reckoned E92 was boasting 120? So that requires 120 spending punters through the doors a night for them to break even. More realistically double that to cover food & maintenance. And you saw 30? It'll be the managements hoovering it up.

[Qazwsx5]

No. It's a dose of reality. You want me to recommend a girl who's guaranteed to offer you DFK, she's guaranteed to offer it to anyone. And bear in mind the sort of bloke paying for DFK is the sort of bloke wouldn't get DFK without paying for it. Or he wouldn't be paying for it, would he?

It's like the blokes post on here going on about 8's & 9's & their standards. If there are civilian 8's & 9's out there who would fuck them for free, why are they paying? Putas have standards too. The 8 or 9 underneath them is thinking "The sooner this sweaty slob gets done what he's doing & out of my life the happier I'll be. Unless he wants to pay for another half hour, that is". So depends whether they want to buy into the theatre or not. Most of them seem to.

Doesn't have to be like this, of course. Putas enjoy sex as well. Any girl will tell you there can be clients they have a really good time with. That is very much up to the client. And very unlikely to happen inside half an hour. Whatever, you can't regard prostitutes like ordering a burger with or without fries. They are people, just like you.

Couple of reports for fun. They're both out of Calle Selinas in LOS Boliches. Known the apartment for years & they message me regularly.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-553423838.htm Rocio. She's what's in the ad. BBBJ & straight sex. Great fun to be with. And to return to.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-552959615.htm Saw her on Sunday. Obviously lot younger. Pretty. Medium naturals. Quite enthusiastic. All services in the ad are available.

The both are asking 80/ hour. GVFM.

Interesting contacts there, but 80 an hour seems very cheap if the photos are real and not old.

[Andalus Expat]

I understand what you are saying about DFK. But then if you really want to look at it that way, the whole thing of going to putas becomes something unpleasant, unless you just put a rubber on and out it in there for 5 minutes and that's it, without touching or doing anything.

No. It's a dose of reality. You want me to recommend a girl who's guaranteed to offer you DFK, she's guaranteed to offer it to anyone. And bear in mind the sort of bloke paying for DFK is the sort of bloke wouldn't get DFK without paying for it. Or he wouldn't be paying for it, would he?

It's like the blokes post on here going on about 8's & 9's & their standards. If there are civilian 8's & 9's out there who would fuck them for free, why are they paying? Putas have standards too. The 8 or 9 underneath them is thinking "The sooner this sweaty slob gets done what he's doing & out of my life the happier I'll be. Unless he wants to pay for another half hour, that is". So depends whether they want to buy into the theatre or not. Most of them seem to.

Doesn't have to be like this, of course. Putas enjoy sex as well. Any girl will tell you there can be clients they have a really good time with. That is very much up to the client. And very unlikely to happen inside half an hour. Whatever, you can't regard prostitutes like ordering a burger with or without fries. They are people, just like you.

Couple of reports for fun. They're both out of Calle Selinas in LOS Boliches. Known the apartment for years & they message me regularly.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-553423838.htm Rocio. She's what's in the ad. BBBJ & straight sex. Great fun to be with. And to return to.

https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-552959615.htm Saw her on Sunday. Obviously lot younger. Pretty. Medium naturals. Quite enthusiastic. All services in the ad are available.

The both are asking 80/ hour. GVFM.

[Qazwsx5]

Since they depend on the particular client, they're both impossible questions to answer. Particularly as far as DFK's concerned. Sucking a well washed cock is one thing. Sharing someone's previous meal & oral hygiene entirely another. Can't say the whole GFE theatre is something that's ever interested me. I pay putas for sex. GFE's are with GF's. That's not to say some putas haven't transitioned into the GF direction, after knowing them for a while. When all sorts of things can become possible. But DFK as a paid for service? So one's sharing the previous clients' dinners & mouths? How many & who? Yuk!

I understand what you are saying about DFK. But then if you really want to look at it that way, the whole thing of going to putas becomes something unpleasant, unless you just put a rubber on and out it in there for 5 minutes and that's it, without touching or doing anything.

[Andalus Expat]

I have heard that this one is amazing and very busy. She used stay in a hotel in benalmadena and work there, but the only turn off is that she doesn't give BBBJ and DFK, is it true? Or that has changed? I know some girls say that depends on clients hygiene, but some just don't do it no matter what. They say she is the latter.

Since they depend on the particular client, they're both impossible questions to answer. Particularly as far as DFK's concerned. Sucking a well washed cock is one thing. Sharing someone's previous meal & oral hygiene entirely another. Can't say the whole GFE theatre is something that's ever interested me. I pay putas for sex. GFE's are with GF's. That's not to say some putas haven't transitioned into the GF direction, after knowing them for a while. When all sorts of things can become possible. But DFK as a paid for service? So one's sharing the previous clients' dinners & mouths? How many & who? Yuk!

[PayForIt]

Edit I mean of course Brothel not brother and it is see Atlantico 1.

Likely to be Glass Palace.

[Calandala11]

Edit I mean of course Brothel not brother and it is see Atlantico 1.

Hello all,

Wondering if you could help me, I am looking for a brother in Estepona that I forgot the name off. It is near see. Atlantico 1 Estepona by the motorway. Is there someone who knows and could be so kind to help me with the name?

[Calandala11]

Hello all,

Wondering if you could help me, I am looking for a brother in Estepona that I forgot the name off. It is near see. Atlantico 1 Estepona by the motorway. Is there someone who knows and could be so kind to help me with the name?

[Qazwsx5]

Friday afternoon. My place. https://www.pasion.com/contactos-muj...-549803844.htm.

There's no doubt that link will be live. And yes those photos are real. She's a competitive gymnast & body builder. Very attractive woman. All the services are indeed available. Despite the ad, she's actually in a flat at the Benalmadena end of Torremolinos. But she does a lot of outcalls. As far as I'm aware, her incall rate starts at 150/ hour. Don't know whether she offers halves. Her phone number is a call answering service so allow at least an hour notice for an appointment. Known her for a while & very, very strongly recommended.

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I have heard that this one is amazing and very busy. She used stay in a hotel in benalmadena and work there, but the only turn off is that she doesn't give BBBJ and DFK, is it true? Or that has changed? I know some girls say that depends on clients hygiene, but some just don't do it no matter what. They say she is the latter.

[PayForIt]

Germany (worked there in the 70's)

Wow! If you genuinely worked in Germany in the 70's (by my calcs 50+years ago) that must make you at least 70 years old. In which case hats off to you for even continuing the sport. Unless you were "working" in Germany when you were 14? And for you to tell me at your age I need to get out more caused me to giggle quite a lot! Well played old boy! And you are in your 70's but "have a lot of parties". Again, gives me hope that I'll be doing the same thing in 20 years time. I hope so.

For your information not a single one of your links works. All access denied. But perhaps that's because I don't subscribe to hooker websites given my past dreadful experiences of them being fake / unreal / bait and switch etc. When you say that I want reports. Nope. Not just me. The entire point / purpose of these forums is for people to share experiences for others to benefit from. But as all of the links are seemingly inaccessible I'm afraid it is hard to tell what you did experience. Currently the "reports" equate to "had a great time last week with a girl who I cannot remember / no name / details / etc. But she was great". Delighted for you but of little use to anyone else! What I don't get is the seeming contradiction in your post. You have these stunning girls littered around your pad waiting for you to "put them on their backs" in lieu of rent / payment for food (be careful if the new law IS passed. Precisely what they are hoping to kill off and very much defined as exploitation) - yet notwithstanding this ostensible array of "free" beauties to dabble with (you say a couple daily), you are still paying for independents on passion dot com etc? Why is that? Are the beauties who don't spoil the decor not enough? Something just doesn't add up.

I'm still a bit perplexed about your suggestion I need to get out more! And that my mongering is all in commercial destinations. If you call mongering in Germany / UK / Australia / Singapore / Dubai / Thailand / Switzerland / France / Italy / Vietnam / Cambodia / Hong Kong / Macau / Cape Town / USA / Canada / Portugal and of course Spain me only visiting commercialised places which appear on Google, you might be right. I'm not sure that list justifies the "you need to get out more" suggestion! I believe I "get out" quite a lot!

Anyway, it all matters not. I wouldn't want a group of parasitic hookers hanging around my home, let alone living in it if they offered me free sex 4 times daily for free. The whole benefit of P4 P for me is the lack of complications / expectations. Ok for sure I keep in touch with plenty of girls, but only (1) to ensure repeats with exceptional performers and / or (2) to find out what is going on "on the ground". Having to sit around with them all day / wonder when they are moving on, seeing them taking their Charlie whilst in my home? Nah. Not my cup of tea but to each their own.

I'm afraid I'm not at all impressed with the modus / nor indeed of the rather derogatory terminology "Girls? I like attractive women around. They're decorative as long as they don't clash with the furnishings" I'm still actually impressed that at a ripe old age you are doing all of this. Personally, I couldn't live in Fuengirola for a gold clock or several (however big an apartment) as it is hardly "Spanish", hosts the beer-swilling, suburned, tattoo brigade who want their full breakfast for 3euros etc. It's just Blackpool in the sun and has about as much culture. I was going to say marginally better but I think it is too close to call. I also agree with you though that I wouldn't want to be in some "isolated urbanisation". But there are plenty of fabulous options in far more Spanish locations without the unwanted elements aforementioned.

But again, to each their own. I like my day to start early, exercise, swim, some paddle board, breakfast, work, walking, lunch, work, gym, good food in a great restaurant, casino (sorry Jummy1 - is he still alive??!) and frolics. I skip the last two more often than not in favour of live entertainment or sport of some participatory type. But I have no idea if I can retain these habits in later life. I might then want a short walk across to “Bernie’s breakfast” with my copy of The Mirror, get my fry up, mid morning siesta, pie and chips for lunch, fumble a few chicas mid afternoon, crash out on a striped Sun lounger on the beach to top up the red sunburn, then retire after a short walk to extract my equivalent of “rent and food”. But hey you are not doing that either - you’re partying!

I had not realised you were in your later years (and I wouldn't describe myself as "young" anymore) so totally get that you want to be closely located / walking distance to where you need to get to. Though that doesn't chime well with the holding of lots of parties! Whatever. Quite genuinely, as I posted earlier to an amazing guy in his 70's who is still doing Pattaya annually (he is 73 on his next trip) it gives us all hope when reading posts from guys still enjoying the ladies in their later years. So for that, however and wherever you are doing it, well done!