Costa del Sol (Southern Coast) / Malaga

[The Cane]

The scene you post on outcalls is very appealing and sensible. But it is not an option for me and even if it was, I would only do it if, like you, you actually know the girl. It is bad enough getting bait and switch on an incall. Where I have stood on a doorstep and said "sorry but you are not the girl in the pictures on the website so I'll leave it thanks". That is much harder on outcall. Many years ago I was a regular using outcalls to hotels in London. I abandoned it. So so many times a girl would turn up nothing like the pictures and way overweight. Awful then to turn someone away, and of course at the point, the anticipation of the next hour or so has grown. Result was sometimes having sessions with someone I would not have even contemplated in any club. I am therefore done with outcalls in any scenario.

I'm with you 100% on this. Although for me, I include incalls as well. For all the already well-known reasons stated, I never found the escort scene to be consistently satisfactory. I know that had I not discovered the overseas mongering circuits throughout Latin America and Europe, then I never would have become committed to mongerdom.

[PayForIt]

Why I book mostly outcalls. An hour with the option to extend. The money in their hand's the opening ploy. Sit them on the sofa, soft lights, romantic music, put a drink in their hand, let 'them relax for half an hour. Any girl is nervous of a new client. For 50 of their time I now, hopefully, have a happy compliant girl. That gives them half an hour to show whether they're worth extending or send them on their way. Why I prefer indies. You don't have an encargada on their phone asking where they are. If they want to stay past 2 hours, it's up to them. The incentives are in the right direction. A good client is worth cultivating and keeping.

This board has changed over the years. Go back six or seven years and there were more guys sharing gotos on interesting girls and places. Couple of them I met up with and still keep in touch with. Maybe there were more punters living here. You club fanboyz seem to have pretty well taken it over. Or are all that are left. From my point of view it's lost much of its value. You can learn where the clubs are by Googling. What you'll find there depends on when you go. I lived for two years ten minutes walk from Estark and its ever useful fag machine. It can change from one night to another. It's part of the circuit of the migratory clubgirls work the whole of Spain. Who is in it today may be different tomorrow. A club with a surplus of talent means girls not earning. So, in the morning, they're gone to the next club. Club reports are no more use than "What I did on my holidays" if they're more than a couple days old. Be good to see people going off on the quest again. Coming back with news of what they've found.

The scene you post on outcalls is very appealing and sensible. But it is not an option for me and even if it was, I would only do it if, like you, you actually know the girl. It is bad enough getting bait and switch on an incall. Where I have stood on a doorstep and said "sorry but you are not the girl in the pictures on the website so I'll leave it thanks". That is much harder on outcall. Many years ago I was a regular using outcalls to hotels in London. I abandoned it. So so many times a girl would turn up nothing like the pictures and way overweight. Awful then to turn someone away, and of course at the point, the anticipation of the next hour or so has grown. Result was sometimes having sessions with someone I would not have even contemplated in any club. I am therefore done with outcalls in any scenario.

The "what I did in my holidays" analogy, for me, is too harsh. I make sure I get known in the club by the staff and the regular girls. They talk to each other. Means often that the new girl I want to session soon realises that I a regular client, known by the club, its owners, staff and the girls. And I find that service levels are therefore usually better than if I was an infrequent tourist. But I agree the girls largely grab what they can for the main part and then move on. Always disappointing when a favourite leaves but then that's part of the enjoyment of the clubs. You get a whole new batch to choose from regularly. And if you can have a great time the first time with a girl, the repeat sessions are not poor sex, and lead to mobile numbers and in calls then without any bait and switch concerns.

[Andalus Expat]

See my responses above.

"I really hate the bait and switch of escorts / apartments where the girl looks stunning on the website and you turn up and she is not only photoshopped but double the weight. It is why I really don't like London for mongering".

Alas, that's the world of prossies. It starts with the two big ones. The lie the girl tells you; that she wants to have sex with you. And the lie you tell yourself; you believe her. From there, it's lies all the way down. See also: used car dealers & estate agents (particularly Spanish ones) It's half the reason I put the www.secretgarden.sexy site together. Every girl on it exists, they are her photos and she does what she says she does. I know. I've been there. And the girls on it represent less than 50% of those I've tried. The others didn't make the grade. But I can understand your difficulty. It's not easy when you're swimming in strange waters. I live here and have had the chance to map the coast. I can "read" the on-line ads. Recognise what are likely to be false or misleading photos. What services are being stuck in as bait and what are actually available. I'll put the phone number into my phone and see if it's one already in my contacts. That'll often tell me which apartment she's working from and I've learnt the good and bad apartments though bitter experience.

Oh, believe me, punters are generally lousy sex. I listen to the conversations between the girls. I've heard the girl's side of reports have been posted on here. Hilarious. Most of them are paying for sex because it's the only way they'll get any. They haven't a clue how to behave around women. Some of them, you wouldn't want to be in the same room without a hazmat suit. Or just general assholes. Do I fit into the same category? I hope not. I just prefer putas to civilians. I was running an English girlfriend a while back. Superannuated beachbunny from the Home Counties, lived here half her life. Ended up dumping her, her yappy dog and her mound of shopping out on the hard shoulder of the peage to Marbella one hot afternoon. I'm not a free taxi service. Or meal ticket. Putas are cheaper and go home.

I do reckon a big club is virtually the last place you're likely to get good sex. The incentives are all wrong. She may be on a 3 week plaza before moving on to the next club to rip off some more mugs. As a foreigner, she'll think you're a tourist she'll never see again. She got the money at the start of the trick and now she just wants to get rid of you with the minimum exertion so she can get back to the bar and snag the next victim. Being a professional puta is all about control. Steering your client safely through the trick. (Safe to her) As soon as they start the practiced routine, I lose interest. Having a pair of them doing it doesn't bear thinking about. I like to hold the initiative. Why I book mostly outcalls. An hour with the option to extend. The money in their hand's the opening ploy. Sit them on the sofa, soft lights, romantic music, put a drink in their hand, let 'them relax for half an hour. Any girl is nervous of a new client. For 50 of their time I now, hopefully, have a happy compliant girl. That gives them half an hour to show whether they're worth extending or send them on their way. Why I prefer indies. You don't have an encargada on their phone asking where they are. If they want to stay past 2 hours, it's up to them. The incentives are in the right direction. A good client is worth cultivating and keeping.

I like fully interactive duos (or trios on occasion!) Can't see the point of the other sort. And there's nothing more fun than a couple hot girls really hot for each other. But, then, I've always been more interested in the voyage than the destination.

This board has changed over the years. Go back six or seven years and there were more guys sharing gotos on interesting girls and places. Couple of them I met up with and still keep in touch with. Maybe there were more punters living here. You club fanboyz seem to have pretty well taken it over. Or are all that are left. From my point of view it's lost much of its value. You can learn where the clubs are by Googling. What you'll find there depends on when you go. I lived for two years ten minutes walk from Estark and its ever useful fag machine. It can change from one night to another. It's part of the circuit of the migratory clubgirls work the whole of Spain. Who is in it today may be different tomorrow. A club with a surplus of talent means girls not earning. So, in the morning, they're gone to the next club. Club reports are no more use than "What I did on my holidays" if they're more than a couple days old. Be good to see people going off on the quest again. Coming back with news of what they've found.

[PayForIt]

You don't get it because you're looking at Scandalos from the perspective of a Brit tourist. You regard it as a place to go for a fuck, maybe because the other options aren't available to you.

(They are but I prefer to select from a line up. I really hate the bait and switch of escorts/apartments where the girl looks stunning on the website and you turn up and she is not only photoshopped but double the weight. It is why I really dont like London for mongering though other like respected monger Steve9696 loves it. I like to get a beer, see the talent walking around etc and choose.)

You ever been to a small town club, out in the campo? I used to use one just off the old road from Granada to Motril, when I had a place in the Alpujarras. Tatty little place with a bar & half a dozen nondescript putas. It was an alternative to drinking with the English in the bars near where I was living. My preferred tipple was 4 and, being a regular, the barman would be pouring it as I walked through the door. Spent enjoyable evenings playing pool, chatting with the girls, dancing with them to music on the juke-box. Vast improvement on listening to some Brit tosser boring on the subject of house prices in the Home Counties. I bought the girls drinks as the price of their company, not to fuck them.) That said, I celebrated a birthday working through the entire cast. Took me 6 hours and cost 250. Drinks were on the house. I was a valued regular customer.)

(sounds fun. I like Cleofas in La Linea near Gibraltar - really small - only 4 girls but had great nights there also playing pool, drinking and enjoying the girls)


The sort of money you're paying for your sexual exploits, even in Estark, sounds ridiculous to me.
(To each his own - for me - its reasonable value. I dont do the threesome every time - frequently Ill pick one girl only and have maybe 2-3 hours. I dont like short rooms unless the girl is a stunner with no personality in which case an optifuck as a warm up is nice.)

Particularly, considering the girls. You do realize the girl-girl interaction is likely to be theatre?
(not my thing at all - I never ask for it and positively reject it if offered. )

Punters are generally crap sex. Why they're punters. If they were any good, they wouldn't be paying for it.
(interesting take but I dont agree. I know Im not crap! I get far too many compliments (oh I know they do that with literally everyone) but I mean outside of paid sex. I have had plenty of girls get to time and say they will continue for no further money. When they are choosing to spend their time for free, rather than return to the bar for more money, you know you are giving them an unusual and enjoyable time. Like anyone - I can be crap! But I think too much of a generalisation. Also, bear in mind that an ideal punter for girls is often one who cums inside 10 mins and has paid for 30 or more and is done. That is crap on the part of the punter but great for the girl.)

And I do insist on paying. I socialise with a lot of the girls outside of work. I like putas. They're my sort of people. I don't have much to do with the ex-pat community here. (Yawn) So I try to keep work & friendship separate.
(We would get on well!)

See my responses above. Forgotten how to cut and paste each response so in brackets All very interesting.

[PayForIt]

She's a natural brunette. What Brasilera isn't? But is currently blonde. Collar and cuffs for added fakery! Could be a "cheerleader type". She could pass for 20 in club lighting. She'd also be Romanian, if asked. I like her. I can see why she'd be someone's favourite. Go look at her on secretgarden. Sexy See if you recognize the bod.

Alas not the Julia I know from E92 who was 100% Ro. Not at all Brasilera looking. Left E92 last August. Text to say back Feb but wasn't. As you say. How many Julia's!

[Andalus Expat]

If you mean the brunette cheerleader type Julia from E92 who was big friends with tall blonde fellow Ro Ina, she is my all time favourite at E92 and I would return to Scandalos to see her.

Girls' names are pretty well meaningless. They change them as often as they change their bragas. She's Julia on here because that's the work name she's been using as an indy during Coronapanic. Who she is at Scandalos, I haven't the vaguest. To me, like most of the girls, she's the name on her passport. She's a natural brunette. What Brasilera isn't? But is currently blonde. Collar and cuffs for added fakery! Could be a "cheerleader type". She could pass for 20 in club lighting. She'd also be Romanian, if asked. I like her. I can see why she'd be someone's favourite. She's fun, well behaved, cooks well, some basic English. She's a qualified optician's technician, if you need your glasses fixed. Go look at her on secretgarden. Sexy See if you recognize the bod. Although I don't think her pics do her justice. She looks slimmer in the flesh. But, of course, she's pitching at the Spanish punter with a different metric to mine.

[Andalus Expat]

I just don't get the economics of Scandalos. It's now 200 or 220 for a room, plus the drinks prices including a whopping 50 e per drink for a lady.

You don't get it because you're looking at Scandalos from the perspective of a Brit tourist. You regard it as a place to go for a fuck, maybe because the other options aren't available to you. You ever been to a small town club, out in the campo? I used to use one just off the old road from Granada to Motril, when I had a place in the Alpujarras. Tatty little place with a bar & half a dozen nondescript putas. It was an alternative to drinking with the English in the bars near where I was living. My preferred tipple was 4 and, being a regular, the barman would be pouring it as I walked through the door. Spent enjoyable evenings playing pool, chatting with the girls, dancing with them to music on the juke-box. Vast improvement on listening to some Brit tosser boring on the subject of house prices in the Home Counties. I bought the girls drinks as the price of their company, not to fuck them.) That said, I celebrated a birthday working through the entire cast. Took me 6 hours and cost 250. Drinks were on the house. I was a valued regular customer.).

I used to use a club on the road from Valencia to Castellon, Luna Azul at Xilches, in much the same way. To me, best club in Spain. For the Spanish these places are the equivalent of what certain pubs are for the Brits. Or maybe it's the real, members-only clubs, lurk below the radar in many British towns & cities. There was a good one in Belsize Park, even had the hookers. The sort of clubs you like, Scandalos & Estark fill me with horror. Like going out to dinner at McDonalds. But Malaga's a city of half a million people. Another half million in its immediate locale. Enough to supply sufficient sad Spanish will pay what's required for that particular experience. Or did do, pre-Coronavirus. And of course the majority of the customers have to be Spanish. The clubs need punters 52 weeks of the year. Not just in the tourist season. You must have seen them. Sitting at tables in the smoking area at Scandalos. Even couples. Or the middle aged bloke perched on a stool at the bar in Estark buying drinks for the fat girl with the cleavage. He'll be there every Friday.

All of these places fill particular niches in the Spanish consumer market. Estark, its. Scandalos a different niche. The question is whether these niches will still be there after the Coronavirus lockdown tore a gaping hole in the Spanish economy.

The sort of money you're paying for your sexual exploits, even in Estark, sounds ridiculous to me. Particularly, considering the girls. You do realize the girl-girl interaction is likely to be theatre? Club girls are highly competitive. Behind the painted on smiles there's a perpetual war going on. It's all business. Typically I pay around 4-500 for duos on outcalls. But I pick girls I know get off on girl-girl play. One of them's lesbian, as far as personal relationships are concerned, the others enthusiastically bi-sex. But that tends to be open-ended, timewise. I've had them here from 11 pm through until halfway through the following day. Because they're genuinely enjoying themselves. They don't want to go home. It's a change from normal work for them. Punters are generally crap sex. Why they're punters. If they were any good, they wouldn't be paying for it. And I do insist on paying. I socialise with a lot of the girls outside of work. I like putas. They're my sort of people. I don't have much to do with the ex-pat community here. (Yawn) So I try to keep work & friendship separate. They fuck, they get paid. And they need the money. Especially now. The relationship the Spanish have with putas is much more like mine than yours. The resident independents all have regulars. The apartments & villas have established customer bases. Clients have favourite girls. Girls have favourite clients and the flats & villas have favourite customers. Of course its about money but not all about money. There's a certain amount of slack gets cut.

You're right about the attraction of the S A girls at Scandalos. Since the Spanish are looking for more than just sex, there's a ladder of preference on how sympatico they are. Top rung is Spanish. Below Spanish speaking S. America because the culture's similar. Even that's complicated because Bolivianas, Equadoras & Paraguayas etc are regarded as peasants and often claim to be from elsewhere. Below come Brasileras because a lot of Spanish don't like Brasilians of any sex. One of the meninas has just experienced this, trying to rent an apartment. Romanians are regarded as trash, to be avoided. Why Estark has more than Scandalos because Estark is more tourist orientated and tourists aren't particular. So maybe Scandolos prices are pitched to get the first pick of prima Latinas. Remember, Scandalos does not sell sex. Scandalos sells services to the girls & drinks to the punters.

[PayForIt]

Not much to report at the moment. Estark reopened Monday last week, with 5 girls I'm told. Julia returned to Scandalos.
The question for the big clubs is not whether they are open but whether they continue to be open. They provide a particular service for their Spanish customers (Forget about you foreigners. Over the year your contribution is trivial). They're not selling sex. Any Spaniard just wanting sex would go to an apartment at half the cost. They're for the Spanish version of Billy-No-Mates. The guy wants to get his ego groomed by the sort of attractive young women wouldn't look at him twice anywhere else. Many in their middle years with a fat ugly wife at home. They're theatre as much as anything else. So are there enough of these guys with sufficient money to pay the girls for their time? If the girls don't earn the club isn't viable.

There's a lot of fantasy both here in Spain and on this board about "getting back to normal". I'd say forget it. We'll eventually get to a new "normal" but it won't be the normal of last year. It's impossible to know what it will be because it's too early to know what will survive the crash. It's not as if the economy here was particularly healthy before the lockdown.

Well that certainly dampened my enthusiasm about the clubs re-opening! Here was me thinking I would be heading over in early July and filling my boots (or rather emptying my sack! If you mean the brunette cheerleader type Julia from E92 who was big friends with tall blonde fellow Ro Ina, she is my all time favourite at E92 and I would return to Scandalos to see her.

Very shocked she would return there.

I just don't get the economics of Scandalos. It's now 200 or 220 for a room, plus the drinks prices including a whopping 50 e per drink for a lady.

At E92 I will regularly proposition 2 ladies (pre pandemic) with a deal of 500 euros for 2 - 2. 5 hours including buying them x2 20 e drinks each (so another 80) and maybe 3 of us playing the roulette for 30 minutes first with me "investing" 50 to each of them on the basis that we shared the winnings if any. So this cost me 680-700 euros for 3+hours of great fun, some beers and drinks for the ladies and over 2 hours of great threesome sex. Not cheap but a great night out. Before this selection I might have taken a couple of girls for 30 minutes on a "trial" to see if they would be worth the investment later. Not a bad way to start a night with some pretty entrees! My calculations were always that if I paid the full 150/ hour fee I would be at 600 for 2 hours anyway. The extra investment I felt always paid off, put the ladies in a party mood. Particularly if they also picked up 100+ on the roulette. On several occasions, the girls would win, get their winnings and head to the bar to by me the drinks! Great feel good factor all around. For sure I had times when it didn't all go to plan and failed a little. Contrast this with Scandalos. Into the club, say 40 on own drinks for a beer and a couple of spirit+coke drinks. If I take one girl to the room for 2 hours it is now 400 euros, awful soulless rooms and a guarantee that the phone would ring at least 15 minutes before the 2 hours was up. In a 2 hour session the girl is going to want a drink so not to kill the mood you get her one. 50 euros, then your own again and before you know it the 1 hours 45 minutes before the argument about the last 15 has cost 500 euros for one girl. Not great fun. If I wanted to repeat the threesome it takes it to nearly 1000 euros for 2 hours (or less). So for me, E92 became my club of choice.

If you are correct about the majority of custom being Spanish (and as you live there I trust that judgement and knowledge entirely), I really don't see how Scanadalos is the better option. Sure, the Spanish probably prefer the S American chicas to EE, and of course it is closer to Malaga instead of the Brit infested Fuengirola, but the Spanish, in my experience don't like spending cash. So I'm bewildered how Scandalos has kept alive and has now seemingly survived this crisis.

I can only have faith or rather hope, that "normal" will indeed return. Many of the girls I have spent hours with over many years have told me that they find it so hard to give up purely because the amount they can earn having P6 is so much larger, earned quicker, for less work, than in a "normal" job. That alone should mean they will be in the clubs. But you are right. If the punters don't return, the girls won't earn, will clear off and the clubs will die. At least for a while until the economy bounces back and entrepreneurs see the gap in the market and start afresh.

Not sure how I'd get on with only 5 girls in E92 in July but I will try for sure! Though the temptation now to hit Scandalos just for Julia, despite all I wrote above, is enormous.

[Andalus Expat]

Come on guys. You guys over there on the ground. Tell us please what is happening in the club scene. Open / closed / punters / not / many girls / not / prices / rooms / special measures for social distancing or not?A report from a visitor to Estark 92/ Fontana / Glass Palace / Scandalos would be much appreciated.

Not much to report at the moment. Estark reopened Monday last week, with 5 girls I'm told. Julia returned to Scandalos. I was tempted to drop into Estark on Saturday night as I passed, but couldn't see the point. Didn't seem to be many cars outside though.

There's not going to be much to be learned at the moment, anyway. We may well see a repeat of what happened when bars reopened a couple of weeks ago. An initial flurry of custom as people took advantage of the novelty after being deprived so long. Which quickly petered out. Walking around Fuengirola at the weekend, half the bars seemed to be open with a few people sitting outside. Some bars are newly reopened. But there's as many were open last week have gone dark again. Much the same story, elsewhere along the coast. It's not hard to see why. The level of custom any of them are getting won't be sufficient to break even on the the cost of opening. Unless you're the owner / operator and can ignore the cost of your own labour. Noticed the same with shops. There's a lot of shops haven't reopened. Some look as if they're still stocked and might do so later. Many have obviously folded and are now empty.

At the root. There's simply little money going around. Tourism is the CdeS's main if not only industry and its workforce and businesses have been idle for going on three months. It's an economic disaster area. I was in the big Corte Inglis department store and I'd say there were a third of the customers I saw at the same time last year.

How's it affecting the business we're interested in? I know a lot of girls and none of them is attracting much interest. Typically they're seeing maybe one or two clients a day. Some days, none at all. The conversion rate on enquiries is appalling. Twenty calls or Whatsapps may produce one half hour client and a lot of stupid offers.

The question for the big clubs is not whether they are open but whether they continue to be open. They provide a particular service for their Spanish customers (Forget about you foreigners. Over the year your contribution is trivial). They're not selling sex. Any Spaniard just wanting sex would go to an apartment at half the cost. They're for the Spanish version of Billy-No-Mates. The guy wants to get his ego groomed by the sort of attractive young women wouldn't look at him twice anywhere else. Many in their middle years with a fat ugly wife at home. They're theatre as much as anything else. So are there enough of these guys with sufficient money to pay the girls for their time? If the girls don't earn the club isn't viable.

There's a lot of fantasy both here in Spain and on this board about "getting back to normal". I'd say forget it. We'll eventually get to a new "normal" but it won't be the normal of last year. It's impossible to know what it will be because it's too early to know what will survive the crash. It's not as if the economy here was particularly healthy before the lockdown. Some data points. In January, our Puerto Banus apartment was fully booked for the entire season. Currently we have a provisional booking for 14 days in July. That pretty well sums up the holiday lets market. I've a friend who owns a restaurant here. It's a popular established restaurant been opened a long time. Last year he was telling me it was barely covering its operating costs. Now he's seriously considering walking away. And we're people with resources have the luxury of making choices.

Depends on how the locals here react to the new reality. Pay-fot-it's post of 06/06 gives you some idea of how they might. Julia went back to Scandalos on exactly the same terms as she was before. Estark's probably done the same. So the girls are 75 down before they start a shift. Same with many of the apartments and independents. Still asking 100/ hour but earning little.

[ShooBree]

OK I did google searched Vive Madrid, and there are a message from them saying, "importante cerrado hasta el dia 15 de junio" but if I'm not mistaken you live in Madrid Berthold so I am sure you are right.

Their Facebook says that they will open on the 6th of July.

[PayForIt]

OK I did google searched Vive Madrid, and there are a message from them saying, "importante cerrado hasta el dia 15 de junio" but if I'm not mistaken you live in Madrid Berthold so I am sure you are right.

So after the report that Estark 92 and Scandalos (in part) are open. I am sure that I, like many others, are patiently awaiting news of some reports from these clubs. Are they 100% open? Are the girls readily available and not in masks? Reports in some parts of Germany (you'll love this) that only doggy and reverse cowgirl are available (so girl doesn't need to look at your face!) Some girls will say this is a great idea pandemic or not!

Come on guys. You guys over there on the ground. Tell us please what is happening in the club scene. Open / closed / punters / not / many girls / not / prices / rooms / special measures for social distancing or not?

A report from a visitor to Estark 92/ Fontana / Glass Palace / Scandalos would be much appreciated.

[TeddyBears]

Vive Madrid / Flowers Park, Factory Air are still closed, they will not open till the end of June.

OK I did google searched Vive Madrid, and there are a message from them saying, "importante cerrado hasta el dia 15 de junio" but if I'm not mistaken you live in Madrid Berthold so I am sure you are right.

[Berthold]

Seems like the clubs are reopening again, Estark92 is open again and as others pointed out Scandalo is open for business again. In Madrid Vive Madrid is also open again! Happy days!! It will be interesting to see how interactions with the girls is supposed to occur when keeping distance from each other at the same time!

Be careful out there and stay safe everybody.

Vive Madrid / Flowers Park, Factory Air are still closed, they will not open till the end of June.

[MagicSheep74]

Great news. Due over in July. Will for certain head to 92 - will be really interesting to see how it is there.

Good news, moving back in the last week in August. Happy to catch up when any members, I feel that most of our regular haunts should be properly back in action.

Stay safe.

[PayForIt]

Seems like the clubs are reopening again, Estark92 is open again and as others pointed out Scandalo is open for business again. In Madrid Vive Madrid is also open again! Happy days!! It will be interesting to see how interactions with the girls is supposed to occur when keeping distance from each other at the same time!

Hopefully a few friendly people will post their experiences in the coming weeks, I will hopefully be able to visit in middle of August if nothing changes.

It seems like you have your hands full Andalus Expat!

Be careful out there and stay safe everybody.

Great news. Due over in July. Will for certain head to 92 - will be really interesting to see how it is there.