Madrid

[Almalm]

It is good to read some more varied reports. I might have a trip down Atocha.

Has anyone recently been to Club Kapry Disco & the Cuba Club just A-2 highway, South of the airport?

Are they worth a look around if I was travelling out to Factory Air?

[TeddyBears]

Nice report Matiz!

First time I've seen a report of these houses. Good info for people not wanting to pay as much.

[Matiz]

A couple of weeks ago, I found myself in Madrid overnight awaiting an early flight the next day. My hotel was near the Atocha station, so I had researched some nearby options. One that intrigued me was the dozen or so apartment buildings on Paseo de las Delicias running south from the Atocha roundabout. These are older buildings where apartments have given way to prostitutes and the buildings are now completely occupied by providers. The reported price was between 20 and 25 Euros, and the rooms were pretty basic.

However, I have spent the great part of my mongering career in Tijuana's Zona Norte, where attractive young paraditas can be had for 200 pesos, or about $12 at the present rate. Rooms are pretty basic, just a bed, a chair, and, if you're lucky, a sink. So I wasn't at all deterred by the reports of run-down rooms. I have never been, nor will I ever be, a monger who pays 200 Euros for an hour of sex, no matter how beautiful the girl. Not a criticism of anyone, just a statement of how I value money relative to a naked and willing woman.

No. 127 Delicias was my first and last stop. It's about a 15-20 minute hike down Delicias from Atocha station, or about ten minutes past the Delicias metro stop. The main entrance to the building was open, which is a bit unusual for the other apartment buildings in the area. Several young men were hanging around smoking and looking at their cell phones. Don't know if they were customers or security, but I assumed the latter.

There are several floors but the women on the ground floor are fairly aggressive so you may never make it upstairs. The floor was arranged into a series of waiting rooms, where the girls sat, around which were doors leading to small bedrooms. I peeked in the first salon, and a young woman looked up from her phone and explained that all the girls were occupied. Then I noticed that all the bedroom doors were closed. I walked around to several salons, chatting with the women, trying to get a feel for what was going on. None of the women I saw did much for me, so I kept looking around.

I was just about to head to the stairway to the second floor when, down a corridor, I saw a very sultry MILF sitting on a couch on her salon. She waived and rose to meet me. She was Patricia from Peru, late thirties, see-cups, tiny waist, flat abs, and a gorgeous ass. She wore only a bra, heels, and thong. Her face was both beautiful and sultry. I imagine that in her youth she was something special. I introduced myself. She asked what I was looking for. Looking directly at her ample cleavage, I told her I was looking for a sexy, mature woman with big chichis. She smiled. I slipped my arm around her waist and grabbed her ass, and told her I needed a woman with a great ass. More smiles, as she began to sense where the conversation was headed. My other hand slipped between her legs as I told Patti I was looking for a chica with a wet panocha. She laughed and said, "Matiz, we are going to get along just fine".

We negotiated a BBBJ and sex for thirty minutes for 25 Euros. She led me to one of the rooms and asked for payment. Usually, I pay afterward, but having been through the same ritual at other Spanish brothels, I gave her the money. She went out to give it to somebody, and then closed the door and immediately disrobed. She was in wonderful shape. You could bounce a dime off her tummy and get nine cents change. The BBBJ was the kind I only seem to get from experienced women, slow, sloppy, and just the right amount of variation to keep me fully involved. The sex was covered, but Patti was very enthusiastic and ready to please. She finished me orally with CIM.

Afterward, we had a little time left and, being a slow Sunday afternoon, she seemed in no hurry. She walked me back down the hall and pointed out the handwritten signs she had made: Patti de Peru, with an arrow pointing toward her salon. She urged me to visit again soon, but advised she was going on holiday in Salamanca for Semana Sante. She gave me a big hug and kiss and I slipped out the door and back to reality.

My research had suggested a similar building at No. 133 Delicias was even nicer, but slightly more expensive. However, I was one and done. Later research said that some believed that many of these buildings were owned and run by organized crime. I certainly was on alert for danger, as I always am in Tijuana, but really saw nothing that was unusual or that seemed to suggest an unacceptable risk. Clearly, though, the experience is not for the faint-hearted or the risk-averse. However, if you speak Spanish, don't mind the rustic room appointments, are budget minded, and a little edginess doesn't bother you, the Delicias brothels mght be worth checking out.

[Pepe1976X]

Every once in a while someone, used to be Backpack Brian, rides through various forums to declare the superiority of German FKKs. If you set the parameters based on the assumption that everyone wants to spend almost all day at a place including eating there, and fuck several women without leaving the facility, there is no question that Germany and its FKK system is the best in Europe.

Most guys who like FKKs are club guys who do not appreciate that Vive is a very small (and very expensive) part of Spain's scene, while FKKs are a much larger part of Germany's scene. Vive and a few other clubs are the only way for a John to see multiple ladies in an interactive environment. It is the most expensive way to have paid sex in Madrid, but many guys feel that is worthwhile due to to ability to see many girls in action, have a drink, and interact. But if you read the Madrid and Barcelona threads, you will find that the best sex compared to the lowest dollars spent for hot girls likely occurs at brothels, shared private apartments, and with independent escorts. I realize that doesn't appeal to club guys, but it still allows for a great variety of ladies and of services. While not everyone is into fetish and alternative activities, Madrid has strong offerings in this area, while I have never read anything regarding the FKKs that isn't "vanilla". Further, it is easy to pick certain brothels and independents in Spain where BBBJ is automatic with no upsells (or a specified upsell with no negotiation), and anal is often available, though usually at a specified upsell (but sometimes at no extra charge).

Agree 100% Mongerer. Well said. Punters have to stay for 5 or 6 hours or even more in FKKs to get VFM. For sure they may provide quantity but not the quality that makes 5 hours in those establishments worthwhile!

[Blue Touch]

Good to know. Thanks a lot.

In Spain, I have found some good diversity. Russian, Moroccan, Cuban, Albanian, Colombian, Turkish, Dominican, Slovenian, Brazilian, South African, Romanian and on and on. Even Spanish too LOL! Now that I think about it, Spain probably offers the most diversity in terms of nationality of any place I've been to for mongering. The Romanians still dominate, but as you can see from my list, there are many girls from many, many different countries working in Spain.

[So Happy]

Anyone seen couples in Vive before? Wife and I are going to Spain in a few weeks and were planning on having some fun while there. She liked Sharks (nightclub theme FKK) and Vive looks like it might be similar (except more expensive). That is our main target, switching to girlsbcn outcall to our place if Vive is a failure. Money isn't too big of an issue, open to other recommendations.

I saw a couple there on my last visit and they seemed to be having a great time, but it is possible that they were connected to or known to management and so a special arrangement. I think that it should be okay, but best to call and check +34 658 96 95 20.

[Mongerer88]

Anyone seen couples in Vive before? Wife and I are going to Spain in a few weeks and were planning on having some fun while there. She liked Sharks (nightclub theme FKK) and Vive looks like it might be similar (except more expensive). That is our main target, switching to girlsbcn outcall to our place if Vive is a failure. Money isn't too big of an issue, open to other recommendations.

Hopeful Vive works out. If not, I mentioned in an earlier post that this lady received an outstanding review on the big American review board for being hot, a good performer, and open minded. She advertises that she enjoys threesomes and lesbian activity. She is also mentioned favorably on one of the local review boards. She is probably about the right age also. Not sure how old your wife is, but it might create an issue if you are always choosing 18 year olds for your threesomes (unless your wife is 18-21).

https://www.girlsbcn.co.uk/escort/gbcarmen18.html

https://spalumi.com/f7/carmen-belle-...-a-190359.html

[Tnttwo]

Anyone seen couples in Vive before? Wife and I are going to Spain in a few weeks and were planning on having some fun while there. She liked Sharks (nightclub theme FKK) and Vive looks like it might be similar (except more expensive). That is our main target, switching to girlsbcn outcall to our place if Vive is a failure. Money isn't too big of an issue, open to other recommendations.

[Mongerer88]

One factor that adds to the diversity in the Madrid and Barcelona scene are the universities. One escort student I saw was from London and one of her parents was from the Caribbean, so I am not sure what to call her, another escort student was from Russia and her parents were Turkish (I have no idea how she learned English and Spanish that well, one escort student was a Spanish undergrad and another was a Spanish lady in grad school.

College for Europeans is sometimes quite a long process, so some ladies study and escort throughout their 20's. I suspect that many of the Venezuelans working as escorts in Spain are from wealthy (by Venezuelan standards) families who are studying abroad. I don't know that for a fact, but I suspect that is the case.

[The Cane]

Thanks for the insight. Are the girls diverse and international? Any Russian girls? Thanks.

In Spain, I have found some good diversity. Russian, Moroccan, Cuban, Albanian, Colombian, Turkish, Dominican, Slovenian, Brazilian, South African, Romanian and on and on. Even Spanish too LOL! Now that I think about it, Spain probably offers the most diversity in terms of nationality of any place I've been to for mongering. The Romanians still dominate, but as you can see from my list, there are many girls from many, many different countries working in Spain.

[Mongerer88]

Thanks for the insight. Are the girls diverse and international? Any Russian girls? Thanks.

Madrid has two brothels specializing in Russian ladies.

http://www.mansionx.es

http://www.rusasvip.com

While other ladies at Escorts Delicias do not get good reviews, this particular lady (Maria) does get excellent reviews.

http://escortsdelicias.com/chicas/maria/index.html

http://www.pasion.com/contactos-muje...-519774571.htm

Most of the best known Madrid brothels such as Placer Madrid and Palacio del Placer have a combination of local Spanish and South American ladies.

Spain (particularly Barcelona) has a reputation of running off very low-priced Asian operations. Not sure why Spain gets fewer Eastern Europeans than Germany.

My understanding is that Vive has beautiful women of all nationalities. I am not a club guy, so hopefully others can describe the nationalities. But sex work in Spain is not performed by just immigrants like in other countries. You will find plenty of beautiful local talent.

[Blue Touch]

Thanks for the insight. Are the girls diverse and international? Any Russian girls? Thanks.

Every once in a while someone, used to be Backpack Brian, rides through various forums to declare the superiority of German FKKs. If you set the parameters based on the assumption that everyone wants to spend almost all day at a place including eating there, and fuck several women without leaving the facility, there is no question that Germany and its FKK system is the best in Europe.

Most guys who like FKKs are club guys who do not appreciate that Vive is a very small (and very expensive) part of Spain's scene, while FKKs are a much larger part of Germany's scene. Vive and a few other clubs are the only way for a John to see multiple ladies in an interactive environment. It is the most expensive way to have paid sex in Madrid, but many guys feel that is worthwhile due to to ability to see many girls in action, have a drink, and interact. But if you read the Madrid and Barcelona threads, you will find that the best sex compared to the lowest dollars spent for hot girls likely occurs at brothels, shared private apartments, and with independent escorts. I realize that doesn't appeal to club guys, but it still allows for a great variety of ladies and of services. While not everyone is into fetish and alternative activities, Madrid has strong offerings in this area, while I have never read anything regarding the FKKs that isn't "vanilla"..

[Novio]

Well-said, Mongerer88. The reasons you lay out, hobby- and non-hobby-related, are why I prefer Spain. If you speak Spanish, you'll also have better chances for chemistry and GFE since most of the women are either Latinas or at least have learned to speak Spanish on the job.

Plus, I find lodging to be on the whole cheaper in Spain than in Germany.

Every once in a while someone, used to be Backpack Brian, rides through various forums to declare the superiority of German FKKs. If you set the parameters based on the assumption that everyone wants to spend almost all day at a place including eating there, and fuck several women without leaving the facility, there is no question that Germany and its FKK system is the best in Europe.

Most guys who like FKKs are club guys who do not appreciate that Vive is a very small (and very expensive) part of Spain's scene, while FKKs are a much larger part of Germany's scene. Vive and a few other clubs are the only way for a John to see multiple ladies in an interactive environment. It is the most expensive way to have paid sex in Madrid, but many guys feel that is worthwhile due to to ability to see many girls in action, have a drink, and interact. But if you read the Madrid and Barcelona threads, you will find that the best sex compared to the lowest dollars spent for hot girls likely occurs at brothels, shared private apartments, and with independent escorts. I realize that doesn't appeal to club guys, but it still allows for a great variety of ladies and of services. While not everyone is into fetish and alternative activities, Madrid has strong offerings in this area, while I have never read anything regarding the FKKs that isn't "vanilla". Further, it is easy to pick certain brothels and independents in Spain where BBBJ is automatic with no upsells (or a specified upsell with no negotiation), and anal is often available, though usually at a specified upsell (but sometimes at no extra charge).

A lot comes down to how a person wants to spend his time in between orgasms, which for most guys only last a few seconds, and only a few of them can occur over a multi-hour span. The FKKs are a much better choice than Madrid (and Spain in general) if the time in between is spent at the facility. But if I were going to spend time in Europe and wanted to fuck a girl in the morning and one at night, maximizing my variety of different ladies (everything from Latin American ladies and locals and Russians and Africans) while getting a great variety of different sexual activities, I would pick Spain over Germany. I honestly think I would spend less overall, since Madrid and Barcelona have plenty of no entry fee brothels in the 50-90 euro per half hour range, and lots of independents in the 150 euro an hour range.

And the activities of Madrid and Barcelona simply interest me more than Germany, particularly when it comes to feeling the need to spend a lot of time in an FKK to get my money's worth. For the city of Madrid, I would check out the museums and consider day trips to Toledo, Segovia, and Cuenca. For Barcelona, which I like better than Madrid, I would focus on the beach, the Gothic Quarter, and the many Gaudi parks and architectural creations. It is the most walkable city on earth. It is a simple fact that Spain blows Germany away in terms of the number of tourists.

I realize that I drifted off topic, and that may all sound boring to you. But many of us feel that way about sitting at an FKK for hours. We are all different and I thought I would explain why many guys prefer Spain over Germany, and I can't do that by just comparing Vive to an FKK.

One other thing to consider is that Spain's market is much more diversified, with the abundance of escort services, independents and "hidden brothels" and shared private apartments where you only get an exact address once you make an appointment. Spain's big operations such as Vive will go away if full criminalization or the Nordic Model ever spreads to all of Europe. The adaption to an "illegal system" will be much more difficult in Germany, in my opinion, compared to Spain.

[The Cane]

Hola Guys!Any thoughts guys?

Come on man! So much has been written about Vive Madrid on these pages. Stop being lazy and RTFF!

[Mongerer88]

Hola Guys!

I am coming from the German FKK thread where a couple of guys have talked Rave things about the Vive Club in Madrid. I have also visited the FKK's a couple of times. But can someone please give me more info on that on what Kind of girls can I expect there (Nationalities) and what is the going rate to sleep with a girl? From their website it really looks like Plain Jane Strip Club, which to a person who is mesmerized with the German FKK may look very lack lustre and waste of money. But nevertheless for my future Spain Visit. I do want to know how is Vive better than FKK or what does it have to offer unique which maybe the FKK may not have.

Any thoughts guys.

Thanks!

Every once in a while someone, used to be Backpack Brian, rides through various forums to declare the superiority of German FKKs. If you set the parameters based on the assumption that everyone wants to spend almost all day at a place including eating there, and fuck several women without leaving the facility, there is no question that Germany and its FKK system is the best in Europe.

Most guys who like FKKs are club guys who do not appreciate that Vive is a very small (and very expensive) part of Spain's scene, while FKKs are a much larger part of Germany's scene. Vive and a few other clubs are the only way for a John to see multiple ladies in an interactive environment. It is the most expensive way to have paid sex in Madrid, but many guys feel that is worthwhile due to to ability to see many girls in action, have a drink, and interact. But if you read the Madrid and Barcelona threads, you will find that the best sex compared to the lowest dollars spent for hot girls likely occurs at brothels, shared private apartments, and with independent escorts. I realize that doesn't appeal to club guys, but it still allows for a great variety of ladies and of services. While not everyone is into fetish and alternative activities, Madrid has strong offerings in this area, while I have never read anything regarding the FKKs that isn't "vanilla". Further, it is easy to pick certain brothels and independents in Spain where BBBJ is automatic with no upsells (or a specified upsell with no negotiation), and anal is often available, though usually at a specified upsell (but sometimes at no extra charge).

A lot comes down to how a person wants to spend his time in between orgasms, which for most guys only last a few seconds, and only a few of them can occur over a multi-hour span. The FKKs are a much better choice than Madrid (and Spain in general) if the time in between is spent at the facility. But if I were going to spend time in Europe and wanted to fuck a girl in the morning and one at night, maximizing my variety of different ladies (everything from Latin American ladies and locals and Russians and Africans) while getting a great variety of different sexual activities, I would pick Spain over Germany. I honestly think I would spend less overall, since Madrid and Barcelona have plenty of no entry fee brothels in the 50-90 euro per half hour range, and lots of independents in the 150 euro an hour range.

And the activities of Madrid and Barcelona simply interest me more than Germany, particularly when it comes to feeling the need to spend a lot of time in an FKK to get my money's worth. For the city of Madrid, I would check out the museums and consider day trips to Toledo, Segovia, and Cuenca. For Barcelona, which I like better than Madrid, I would focus on the beach, the Gothic Quarter, and the many Gaudi parks and architectural creations. It is the most walkable city on earth. It is a simple fact that Spain blows Germany away in terms of the number of tourists.

I realize that I drifted off topic, and that may all sound boring to you. But many of us feel that way about sitting at an FKK for hours. We are all different and I thought I would explain why many guys prefer Spain over Germany, and I can't do that by just comparing Vive to an FKK.

One other thing to consider is that Spain's market is much more diversified, with the abundance of escort services, independents and "hidden brothels" and shared private apartments where you only get an exact address once you make an appointment. Spain's big operations such as Vive will go away if full criminalization or the Nordic Model ever spreads to all of Europe. The adaption to an "illegal system" will be much more difficult in Germany, in my opinion, compared to Spain.