Madrid

[Out for Flesh]

Good luck, by the way have you seen the other chica yet??

Maybe SpanishDick has purposedly remained silent about this :-)

[John Costa]

Sounds like a great time you had there.

It puts into perspective what we go for, fantastic GFE and having great fun without falling in love, unless that is what you want. If I am liking someone a little too much (like you have yourself) I have a crazy night and then realise I am only there for fun and I honestly believe GFE is available in every club. I suppose it is all down to yourself, attitude & experience on how good it is.

Good luck, by the way have you seen the other chica yet??

JC

[Privateer]

Braniac,

It was interesting to read your experiences at Diana Plus / Estark. Although I've never been to this club I do have some remarks and suggestions with regard to some of the things you wrote in your report, which I hope will help you a next visit to another club more successful. Perhaps these can be of interest to some of the other forum members as well.

First of all, I too have had a couple of disappointing experiences at clubs, mainly during the first few times when I visited them, so as far as that goes there's nothing wrong with you. One can only learn from a disappointing evening at a club and it certainly helped to make my successive visits far more satisfying. Most important thing is not to think much about is and in your case you at least didn't waste your money on something you wish you hadn't - I assume you took your money back with you after you left the room with the Rumanian from "Round 2"...?

I went in a bit before 1 am and the place was fairly quiet. Lots of girls, but not many guys. Many were quite attractive, at least upon first glance.

However, the atmosphere was not a very cheerful one. Lots of girls looking depressed, blank stares, etc. A couple of girls approached me and tried to monopolize me, but I am wary of these aggressive ones...

Beware of attractiveness upon first glance, especially since most clubs, the bar area included, are rather badly lit. I've had a few occasions that a girl whom I thought was quite appealing actually wasn't so appealing once I got to see her from nearby or in an area of the club with better lighting. Regarding the depressed looks and blank stares: well they just could have had a bad day at work - remember like us, they're also humans (yes, even the Rumanian ones ). Very good of you that you're wary of the aggressive ones, as a rule I always get rid of these since they're mostly after a quick earning and don't care whether you leave the place satisfied or not. They generally annoy the shit out of me and their overall attitude sucks!

I tried to get a couple girls to dance a bit when they played a bachata song that I liked, but none seemed willing. I personally think that a little slow dancing is a nice way to feel out if I'm going to have sexual chemistry with the girl, and not to brag, but i’m quite a good dancer.

Don't worry or bother too much about dancing with a girl. Based on my own experiences girls at clubs are - as OFF (Out for Flesh) wrote - not into that. During all my club visits only once it has happened that a girl wanted to slow dance a few minutes with me, and unlike a Rumanian of course she was cheerful outgoing Brazilian. After we already had been talking some time and one of her favourite songs was played, she totally unexpectedly threw her arms around me and began to slow dance with me. Rest assured OFF, like you my dancing skills are also pretty lousy .

So I spent a little time talking to the bolivian and another romanian who had approached me, but told them that I wanted to take my time, explore my options, and that I might get back to them later. Does anyone have any suggestions on doing this without having the girl get offended?

If she gets offended too bad for her, for me this could be an indication that a girls' attitude (and service) is "so so" afterall, meaning that she's probably not worth your money. If you don't want to offend a girl whom you are considering spending time with, don't tell her that you are still "exploring your options". Tell her i.e.: 1) you are in no rush or 2) you need to finish your drink - drink slowly or order another one if needed!

It seems they often get indignant about this, as if they think I owe them something. Of course this is their guilt-trip/power-play, but it really turns me off and makes me not want to go back to them when they do this.

When you're still in the bar area and haven't agreed to anything you bloody well owe them NOTHING/ZILCH/ZERO - in any case ignore their pathetic guilt-trip. It's perfectly normal that this turns you off - I myself would rather burn my money instead of spending it on a girl that tries to play games like that with me.

I approached a couple of Bulgarians who were playful and were trying for a trio. Nice bodies, ok faces. I took the one I liked best aside, and talked to her for a while. Started to notice the bad teeth, hairy arms, and this was a bit of a turn-off, though she was quite affectionate.

Based on what I've witnessed, they either have a lack of proper dentists in Rumania/Bulgaria or simply can't afford going to the dentist in these countries. Bad teeth = often bad breath = off-putting! I don't want to French kiss a girl whose breath smells worse then that of my parents' 16-year old dog - yuck!

So we ended up getting to the price negotiation, and she wanted 60 euro, but I thought she should be ok with 50 euro, since it was a slow night, and I also consider myself to be a fit, decent-looking guy. Anyway, I know I shouldn’t worry about the 10 euro so much, since talking about the payment too much usually makes me lose my desire!

And this is exactly what started to happen. So I told her I would think about it and get back to her. We had spent about 10 minutes talking alone at that point, so I didn’t feel like I had made her waste a ton of time. But of course, she started giving me the guilt-trip about having wasted her time, etc. And she also became indignant.

I have to agree with OFF again on this - don't pay any attention and in case her guilt-trip does affect you (even if it's only slightly) NEVER show this to her. In any case she mustn't get the impression that she's getting to you, because YOU are the one that must remain in charge of the situation and not her!

So after looking around a bit more and not feeling any chemistry from most girls, the bolivian found me again, and basically took my hand and dragged me upstairs to a room! We had not discussed price or expectations at all at that point, but I figured I would at least see what the rooms looked like, and see what kind of vibe I was getting from her.

Oh boy, her dragging you to a room is not good - I once had an experience where I also let myself being dragged out of the bar area to a room at Sirenas club in Moncofa, Valencia (see my report http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...7&postcount=67). The result: a very disattisfying experience and a waste of money . In that particular case I also hadn't discussed expectations, whether she agreed to kissing on the mouth/French kissing, etc. Guess what happened once we were in the room - there was no vibe between us at all!! I would advice you to never let this happen again - again the Nr. 1 rule is: you are in control, not she!

She asked for payment up front, and I said I was used to paying after the deed, to which she replied that she had been stiffed before, so she needed payment beforehand.

Based on what I've experienced payment up-front isn't uncommon - I've had cases where I've paid up-front and also after having sex with a girl at a club. All I can say about this: it depends on the girl. In most cases where I had to pay up-front I had to hand the money not to the girl, but to a "Mama". Though I've had a few disappointing sexual experiences, so far I've never been cheated out of my money at a club.

I countered with, "well, are you willing to do anything I want? " to which she responded angrily, "why didn’t you ask me that downstairs? " I said, "you’re the one that dragged me up here! "

And of course at that point it was a lost cause, and I went back downstairs. (I figured out she was romanian when I heard her get on her cell phone, I assume complaining to her friend about what had just happened.)

Unlike you, I was stupid enough not to leave the room after I was dragged there, so I must say you made a wise decision to do so! Having said this in my particular situation occasion I already left my money with "Mama", meaning that leaving the room wouldn't have made any difference anymore.

Round 2: I talked for a while to an older spanish guy, who later introduced me to a romanian "friend" of his, saying she was very nice and affectionate. I decided to see where this would lead, as she was quite attractive, though I had my doubts about the "affectionate" part.

It turned out she was actually getting me going, and was quite nice to talk to and flirt with, so I said after about 5 minutes, "you wanna go up to the room for 50 euro? " she agreed, and I also confirmed that she was willing to be playful and affectionate with me, and do basically anything except anal, which was fine by me.

So we get to the room and I ask her to keep her heels on. She also wanted payment up front, and I said I would put it on the table, so she could take it afterwards, which I did.

I face her toward the wall and start caressing her from behind, lightly holding her hands together against the wall. (this is how I often like to start my interactions.)

After about a minute of this, she moves away and says, "come on, let’s go, " motioning toward the bathroom. I assume she wanted me to wash up to get on with business.

Yep that's Rumanians for you: that's why I am generally not very fond of them... and after reading quite a lot of messages in the Spanish forum I believe I am not the only one with that opinion. They can be pretty cold-hearted, often not very willing to please and in many cases even kissing on the mouth (en la boca) is too much to ask for! Unlike Latino chicas whom almost always passionately say "si" if I ask them about kissing on the mouth, those darn cold-hearted Rumanians wouldn't do it under any circumstance in a majority of the cases I asked them how they felt about this. So far I've only had one nice experience with a girl from Rumania, which makes their "score" pretty poor compared to my experiences with i.e. Brazilian babes. Btw. her motioning to the bathroom is indeed an indication that she wants you to wash your private parts, which is perfectly normal. You washing up shows some respect to the girl you're with and perhaps in your case she was worried that you would forget to do so before going any further (I'm merely guessing). I myself prefer to take a shower (with of course the girl) prior to doing the "wild thing".

To which I replied, "sorry, but i’m the one who calls the shots here. If you’re not willing to do what I want, we’re gonna have to call this off and go back downstairs. "

So she decided to go back downstairs. I asked her what I had asked for which was such a problem for her, to which she responded angrily, "you’re the problem! "

I told her I did not want mechanical sex, as I had expressed to her before. I said "i’m not a robot, " to which she responded that she wasn’t either. But i’m not sure what kind of sense that makes!

To me it seems like she wasn't prepared to keep her end of the agreement between the two of you. Maybe you should have followed her into the bathroom and see how things went on for another couple of minutes. If after that it would have been clear she was going to do things on her terms rather then yours, then you still could have called the whole thing off and gone downstairs.

So once again, I returned downstairs alone and "unloved".

Believe me: better alone and with your money still in your pocket then wasting your money on a lousy experience!

By that point, i’m sure all the girls in the bar had put me on their blacklist, so I took off soon after that.

Hmmmm, after reading this (and the reply posted by OFF) I think I'll put Estark on my blacklist - far too many Rumanian females there.

So again I ask, am I doing something wrong here? Am I expecting too much?

No, I don't think you're doing anything wrong in particular - I think you just were unlucky and visited the place at a bad evening: nothing more, nothing less. Forget about this joint, and visit another club next time you when you feel like it (don't try to force the issue). From what I've read I think I also would have left the place alone and "unloved", had I visited it on the evening you did.

I notice that privateer says he talks to a girl for half an hour before deciding. I did not spend anywhere near that amount of time, yet I was frowned upon. What’s going on? I guess it must be me, but what about me, exactly?

Hey, this half an hour or so chit-chat doesn't always happen and it most certainly isn't something I plan in advance. It just happens or not, though I have to say that during my latter club visits it seems to happen every time. Having said that it doesn't happen with every girl and most certainly not with the aggressive ones - I just consider myself a bit fortunate to have ended up with good company during my more recent visits to clubs. So far I've never been able to predict how an evening at a club will progress or whether I'll end up getting laid or not, meaning that my next club visit could very well be a disappointment for a change. My general rule is to expect nothing and to be open-minded when going to one. Finally, stop relating what happened at Estark to yourself - let's say you just had a bad day at "the office".

Privateer

[Spanishdick]

Thanks for the advise lately guys.

I am back in Madrid (last week) and the first thing I did was get in the car and head towards Mirador on the N1. I have spent the last few weeks trying not to think about my girl there, but I couldn't get her out of my head. I have made the number one mistake for a john and that is to fall for a pro.

Anyway, I remembered all the suggestions you guys made and before I got to Mirador I stopped at Lovely. I know that some people don't like it very much, but I have been there many times and always had a good experience. There are some pushy girls, but I have been there enough that many know me and will come to my side when I come in, even though I won' go upstairs with them.

Anyway, I went in and saw Rose, a dark haired, big breasted Bulgarian. She doesn't have the prettiest face, but nothing terrible. I'd give her a 6 or 7. But her breasts are huge and completely natural. I have seen her a few times, but never been with her. We have talked and I gave her a 20 Euro tip one night because we talked for 45 minutes without going upstairs. She was really happy to see me and came right up and started talking.

It was good to see someone I knew and we talked for about 20 minutes before she even suggested going upstairs. I wanted to finish my drink and she said fine, but she wasn't going to let any other girls have me. I laughed and we continued talking. Then she started to rub against me and took my hand under her top to feel her breasts, then she turned her back to me and started to rub her ass against me. That was just the right thing and soon I was as hard as a rock. She kept moving against me and let me touch her some more.

So we went upstairs and starting kissing. She undressed me and starting licking my nipples and grabbing my cock. She then took me into the bathroom and gave me a very sensual washing and I watched her as she washed herself. She even washed her tits and started to finger herself. Then she took my hand and put my fingers inside her to feel how wet she was. She really wanted it.

Back into the bedroom she pushed me onto the bed and started with BBBJ. I have a pretty good sized dick and she was trying to take it all the way in. She kept looking me straight in the eyes and rubbing herself against my leg. Then she wrapped her tits around my cock and started giving me an amazing titfuck. Every time my dick would pop up between her tits, she would wrap her lips around the head and give it a quick suck.

I told her I was ready to come and she stopped and grabbed the head of my cock so I would stop. Then she started kissing me again. Finally she put a condom in her mouth and slid it onto my cock, and climbed on top. She was soaking wet and started fingering herself with my cock inside her. I had a perfect view of her huge tits bouncing as she went up and down. I love big naturals and she was just going. I have been with a number of girls who fake it, and usually you can tell. But Rose was very much into it. Her face and neck were blushed red and her nipples were sticking out like buttons, and I could feel her muscles contracting around my cock as she came.

I was enjoying watching her enjoy herself so much that I didn't want to come. But eventually she could feel me get even harder and suddenly got off of me and pulled of the condom. She sucked me some more and then just as I started to come she squeezed the base of cock and aimed all my come on her tits. I shot so hard that the come was in her hair, on her face and between her tits. She rubbed my cock on her tits and squeezed out every last drop,and then she took my hand and rubbed my fingers inside her again to show how wet she was.

I was exhausted and we were both sweating like crazy. She then laid down next to me and continued to stroke my cock and rub it against her stomach. We talked for about 10 minutes. Then we went into the bathroom and she washed us both. I then went back down for another drink and we talked some more. When I left she asked me not to forget about her!

My rating:
Face = 6
Body = 8
Personality = 9
GFE = 10

Amazing girl, much better than I had expected. Perhaps because it is the summer and business is slow. She said she was bored and maybe I was just good entertainment for a slow Thursday night. There were hardly any guys there.

I love Madrid in the summer!

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[Out for Flesh]

the (still elusive, for me) GFE experience

Privateer, I totally agree with you, as well as john costa. I definitely see the clubs as being the best option, because of the choice and the time to converse. And I am glad that there are others like me, who like to talk for a while before committing.

I too prefer clubs (having been very few times to apartments). It is true that you can have better deals (money-wise) in many apartments, and if you happen to reach the right girl... well, you're fortunate.

In general I'd say that your experience is a typical one for several of us -- maybe a bit "extreme", but not uncommon. I don't think there is anything wrong with you. Only that some girl's business model is not yours, and they just do not want to change it. Full stop.

Estark (where I've been once) is a well-known nest of Romanians. So if you are keen on them, that's perfect. Romanians are however known because of the way they they want to conduct their business, which in many cases includes "my mouth is for eating and my ass is for shitting". You can clearly see I am not fond of them, although I had one or two reasonable experiences in my life.

However, to be true, Estark has _many_ fans in other, Spanish speaking, fora. There are many people who swear about them to the point of learning Romanian. They will of course tell you about how pretty they are (OK), how well-educated they are (hmmm... maybe), how... etc. I'm of course OK with that as this is their choice. However, given that 95% of the girls in Estark are Romanians, there is no escape but abiding by their business model since they have no other model to compete with: it's a monopoly, and they have customers galore. Let me tell you that in other places where Romanians and, say, girls from Central- and South-America work, they just do not get along with each other. I'd say that the shark style and the "let's do it my way even if you pay" are, from my experience, very Eastern.

However, I tried diana plus (estark) tonight and had a disappointing experience. Maybe someone can tell me if I'm doing something wrong.

In general Saturday is a bad day, in my experience, and maybe even worst in August. The lack of clients (many people go on vacation) may explain the lack of happiness (reported later) in the girls.

I went in a bit before 1 am and the place was fairly quiet. Lots of girls, but not many guys. Many were quite attractive, at least upon first glance.

This I can agree. Eastern girls can be very attractive with superb bodies. Some of them may have, as you reported later, bad teeth.

However, the atmosphere was not a very cheerful one. Lots of girls looking depressed, blank stares, etc. A couple of girls approached me and tried to monopolize me, but I am wary of these aggressive ones. (one claimed she was half bolivian and half italian, and she will appear later in this story. We'll call her "the bolivian", even though she turned out to be romanian.)

Hehe. Some Romanians, aware that they are not very well perceived by some clients, are just starting to ask me "do you have anything against Romanians", or to say that they are Italians, or Moldavians. The latter may be explained because most people do not know what / where Moldova is. As far as I know, one could take Moldova as a sort of Romania with another name, regarding the girls. I'll be very happy to be corrected.

I tried to get a couple girls to dance a bit when they played a bachata song that I liked, but noone seemed willing. I personally think that a little slow dancing is a nice way to feel out if I'm going to have sexual chemistry with the girl, and not to brag, but i’m quite a good dancer.

Uh. Never tried that. I'm not a very good dancer, but anyway probably dancing with a girl is not what she expected. Especially, maybe, with an EE girl. Was anyone else dancing? Any girl, even alone? One sometimes sees this in places with a lot of space (e.g., Factory Air).

So I spent a little time talking to the bolivian and another Romanian who had approached me, but told them that I wanted to take my time, explore my options, and that I might get back to them later. Does anyone have any suggestions on doing this without having the girl get offended?

What you do is exactly what I do. Actually I never mention "other options". "Other options" may be, for her, a clear sign of "get off here". Even if you really mean that: sit around for some time while pondering the ambient.

It seems they often get indignant about this, as if they think I owe them something. Of course this is their guilt-trip/power-play, but it really turns me off and makes me not want to go back to them when they do this.

I do not really pay any attention to this. If they walk away, that is probably one more girl who'll not give me a good service, and it is good that she runs away. I think they suppose they are upholding their honor and they are loosing money and clients.

I approached a couple of bulgarians who were playful and were trying for a trio. Nice bodies, ok faces. I took the one I liked best aside, and talked to her for a while. Started to notice the bad teeth, hairy arms, and this was a bit of a turn-off, though she was quite affectionate.

I once (and only once) had a good session with a Bulgarian. She was definitely on the kinky side.

So we ended up getting to the price negotiation, and she wanted 60 euro, but I thought she should be ok with 50 euro, since it was a slow night, and I also consider myself to be a fit, decent-looking guy. Anyway, I know I shouldn’t worry about the 10 euro so much, since talking about the payment too much usually makes me lose my desire!

And this is exactly what started to happen. So I told her I would think about it and get back to her. We had spent about 10 minutes talking alone at that point, so I didn’t feel like I had made her waste a ton of time. But of course, she started giving me the guilt-trip about having wasted her time, etc. And she also became indignant.

Again, I never pay attention to this and in fact I think I never received that "wasting time" answer. One thing is that, of course, I _always_ smile a lot when telling them "you know, I always prefer to finish my drink here, slowly, and I decide what to do at the end. If you are around by then, I may very well call you!". But I say this only before negotiating phase, and maybe after just two or three minutes talking, and after the girl has suggested me to go upstairs or asked me what are my plans.

The irony is that I probably would have gone with her later, had she not reacted this way when I asked her for more time to think about it!

So after looking around a bit more and not feeling any chemistry from most girls, the bolivian found me again, and basically took my hand and dragged me upstairs to a room! We had not discussed price or expectations at all at that point, but I figured I would at least see what the rooms looked like, and see what kind of vibe I was getting from her.

Oops. My feeling is that when one goes upstairs there is a "deal closed" kind of thing. I suppose that it is unusual that a client refuses to go further after entering the room, like "I do not like how the room looks". That's of no interest for her, because all rooms are basically the same, so what else could a client be looking for in that place? I do not mean your attitude was wrong; only maybe unexpected for her.

She asked for payment up front, and I said I was used to paying after the deed, to which she replied that she had been stiffed before, so she needed payment beforehand.

The same can apply to you. I always use the "In a restaurant one pays after the meal is finished, not before" thing. One thing I like about Brazilians is that seem to accept that one pays after the deed.

I countered with, "well, are you willing to do anything I want? " to which she responded angrily, "why didn’t you ask me that downstairs? " I said, "you’re the one that dragged me up here! And of course at that point it was a lost cause, and I went back downstairs. (I figured out she was romanian when I heard her get on her cell phone, I assume complaining to her friend about what had just happened.)

Well done, I said. Several times I had been told, after negotiating downstairs, "You did not tell that" or "I did not understand that". BTW, "anything I want" is too vague. I'd rather be specific. They should be used to (being asked to) do mostly everything. Many a time the conversation goes like this:

- What do you do?
- Everything you want!
- Do you do anal?
- No.

The logic behind this I am unable to grasp.

It turned out she was actually getting me going, and was quite nice to talk to and flirt with, so I said after about 5 minutes, "you wanna go up to the room for 50 euro? " she agreed, and I also confirmed that she was willing to be playful and affectionate with me, and do basically anything except anal, which was fine by me.

So we get to the room and I ask her to keep her heels on. She also wanted payment up front, and I said I would put it on the table, so she could take it afterwards, which I did.

I face her toward the wall and start caressing her from behind, lightly holding her hands together against the wall. (this is how I often like to start my interactions.)

After about a minute of this, she moves away and says, "come on, let’s go, " motioning toward the bathroom. I assume she wanted me to wash up to get on with business.

Get on with business and finish with them as soon as possible.

[quote]To which I replied, "sorry, but i’m the one who calls the shots here. If you’re not willing to do what I want, we’re gonna have to call this off and go back downstairs. "

So she decided to go back downstairs. I asked her what I had asked for which was such a problem for her, to which she responded angrily, "you’re the problem! "

[quote]I told her I did not want mechanical sex, as I had expressed to her before. I said "i’m not a robot, " to which she responded that she wasn’t either. But i’m not sure what kind of sense that makes!

To me that means she's not there to just follow your commands. Yes, that does not make sense. But, hey, we're speaking about "chica logic", so usual logic is just not applicable.

By that point, i’m sure all the girls in the bar had put me on their blacklist, so I took off soon after that.

Very probably. You are not alone. Lately, I am going back barehanded (even in places where I am a regular) very often. Well, it may be that I am becoming more picky, or that quality / attention / whatever is going down.

So again I ask, am I doing something wrong here? Am I expecting too much?

I do not see doing anything wrong - but maybe your idea of business is very far away from that of the EE girls, and you had no choice at that place.

I notice that privateer says he talks to a girl for half an hour before deciding. I did not spend anywhere near that amount of time, yet I was frowned upon. What’s going on? I guess it must be me, but what about me, exactly?

Well, maybe Privateer is really a charming character. Good for him! I, personally, do not recall having talked with a girl that long, except once (that was a Brazilian girl, not extremely attractive, but very intelligent, good talker, and a naughty girl in bed). But this is not my norm, although I can see people doing that. And maybe leaving after half an hour of talking without the girl. Mi impression is that if you make a club girl laugh, she won't have an indignant attitude towards you afterwards, no matter what you do. Me, I cannot make a chick laugh as I just don't laugh myself.

[Bluenose5]

Plenty of street walkers in this area. Eventually selected a 28yo Romanian (she looked Ecuadorian). Unfortunately I pulled the wrong one and the experience was mechanical.

Plenty of East Europeans, Africans etc to choose from.

Think I will go to Casa de Campo next time.

[Braniac]

Privateer, I totally agree with you, as well as john costa. I definitely see the clubs as being the best option, because of the choice and the time to converse. And I am glad that there are others like me, who like to talk for a while before committing.

However, I tried diana plus (estark) tonight and had a disappointing experience. Maybe someone can tell me if I'm doing something wrong.

I went in a bit before 1 am and the place was fairly quiet. Lots of girls, but not many guys. Many were quite attractive, at least upon first glance.

However, the atmosphere was not a very cheerful one. Lots of girls looking depressed, blank stares, etc. A couple of girls approached me and tried to monopolize me, but I am wary of these aggressive ones. (one claimed she was half bolivian and half italian, and she will appear later in this story. We'll call her "the bolivian", even though she turned out to be romanian.)

At the same time, I like a girl who will smile back when I smile or look at her. If she doesn't, I suspect she doesn't find me very attractive, which is also a bad sign.

I tried to get a couple girls to dance a bit when they played a bachata song that I liked, but noone seemed willing. I personally think that a little slow dancing is a nice way to feel out if I'm going to have sexual chemistry with the girl, and not to brag, but i’m quite a good dancer.

So I spent a little time talking to the bolivian and another romanian who had approached me, but told them that I wanted to take my time, explore my options, and that I might get back to them later. Does anyone have any suggestions on doing this without having the girl get offended?

It seems they often get indignant about this, as if they think I owe them something. Of course this is their guilt-trip/power-play, but it really turns me off and makes me not want to go back to them when they do this.

I approached a couple of bulgarians who were playful and were trying for a trio. Nice bodies, ok faces. I took the one I liked best aside, and talked to her for a while. Started to notice the bad teeth, hairy arms, and this was a bit of a turn-off, though she was quite affectionate.

So we ended up getting to the price negotiation, and she wanted 60 euro, but I thought she should be ok with 50 euro, since it was a slow night, and I also consider myself to be a fit, decent-looking guy. Anyway, I know I shouldn’t worry about the 10 euro so much, since talking about the payment too much usually makes me lose my desire!

And this is exactly what started to happen. So I told her I would think about it and get back to her. We had spent about 10 minutes talking alone at that point, so I didn’t feel like I had made her waste a ton of time. But of course, she started giving me the guilt-trip about having wasted her time, etc. And she also became indignant.

The irony is that I probably would have gone with her later, had she not reacted this way when I asked her for more time to think about it!

So after looking around a bit more and not feeling any chemistry from most girls, the bolivian found me again, and basically took my hand and dragged me upstairs to a room! We had not discussed price or expectations at all at that point, but I figured I would at least see what the rooms looked like, and see what kind of vibe I was getting from her.

She asked for payment up front, and I said I was used to paying after the deed, to which she replied that she had been stiffed before, so she needed payment beforehand.

I countered with, "well, are you willing to do anything I want? " to which she responded angrily, "why didn’t you ask me that downstairs? " I said, "you’re the one that dragged me up here! "

And of course at that point it was a lost cause, and I went back downstairs. (I figured out she was romanian when I heard her get on her cell phone, I assume complaining to her friend about what had just happened.)

Round 2: I talked for a while to an older spanish guy, who later introduced me to a romanian "friend" of his, saying she was very nice and affectionate. I decided to see where this would lead, as she was quite attractive, though I had my doubts about the "affectionate" part.

It turned out she was actually getting me going, and was quite nice to talk to and flirt with, so I said after about 5 minutes, "you wanna go up to the room for 50 euro? " she agreed, and I also confirmed that she was willing to be playful and affectionate with me, and do basically anything except anal, which was fine by me.

So we get to the room and I ask her to keep her heels on. She also wanted payment up front, and I said I would put it on the table, so she could take it afterwards, which I did.

I face her toward the wall and start caressing her from behind, lightly holding her hands together against the wall. (this is how I often like to start my interactions.)

After about a minute of this, she moves away and says, "come on, let’s go, " motioning toward the bathroom. I assume she wanted me to wash up to get on with business.

To which I replied, "sorry, but i’m the one who calls the shots here. If you’re not willing to do what I want, we’re gonna have to call this off and go back downstairs. "

So she decided to go back downstairs. I asked her what I had asked for which was such a problem for her, to which she responded angrily, "you’re the problem! "

I told her I did not want mechanical sex, as I had expressed to her before. I said "i’m not a robot, " to which she responded that she wasn’t either. But i’m not sure what kind of sense that makes!

So once again, I returned downstairs alone and "unloved".

By that point, i’m sure all the girls in the bar had put me on their blacklist, so I took off soon after that.

So again I ask, am I doing something wrong here? Am I expecting too much?

I notice that privateer says he talks to a girl for half an hour before deciding. I did not spend anywhere near that amount of time, yet I was frowned upon. What’s going on? I guess it must be me, but what about me, exactly?

[Privateer]

Brainiac you are probably going to find good gfe easier in the "clubs". You have so much choice, can talk to the girls in the bar and find out everything that you want first. I think apartments / massage places are more of gamble as there is much less choice if any and no real time to check the chicas out first.

The gfe experience is the exact reason why I highly prefer to visit the clubs in Spain rather then a regular prostitute in my home country. For me it's quite important to "socially" interact with a girl for at least half an hour before deciding to spend some private time with her. Doing this will almost certainly avoid any disappointment and you being left with the feeling of having spent your money on something you wish you hadn't. Besides that it's fun to, as you never know exactly what will happen during your visit to a club.

Privateer

[John Costa]

Brainiac you are probably going to find good gfe easier in the "clubs". You have so much choice, can talk to the girls in the bar and find out everything that you want first. I think apartments / massage places are more of gamble as there is much less choice if any and no real time to check the chicas out first.

So many Romanians in spain at the moment but you will still find a fair share of Brasilians. Some fantastic Romanians believe me, they are not all shit and some of my best gfe memories have been Romanian, although I do hold the Brasilians as the overall best especially if you want a "naughty" gfe experience.

Good luck, try out Factory Air, Diana Plus & Flowers Park...

JC

[Braniac]

I checked out a massage place near Plaza Castilla today, called Agua y Masaje (Water and Massage). I found it on the internet, so you can check that for the address if you decide to go.

They have regular massages by a normal looking girl (kinda heavy), around 50-60 euro, I think, and then a huge menu of sexual massages, starting at 99 euro and up to 400 euros or so, I think, depending on a bunch of other things offered.

I took the 50-minute, 99 Euro option with a girl named Vanessa (who they claimed was Venezuelan, but I wasn't sure). She was quite pretty, nice body and tan, but she just didn't do it for me in terms of performance. I knew I should have asked to talk to her personally before committing!

It wasn't horrible, but I'm just used to the Brazilian GFE treatment. Maybe I'm expecting too much from Europe?

I had asked the "madame" if the girl would french kiss, etc. and she said that Vanessa was very affectionate. However, I did not find her to be very natural or affectionate in her service.

It felt kinda forced and like she was holding back...too many groans early on when there was nothing to groan about, yet when I tried to kiss her neck, she would pull away, and when I tried to French kiss, it was little, quick flickers of the tongue and then she would turn away.

I said to her "You don't like to kiss?" and she said something like, "I work my own way, I don't do whatever you tell me to do! But I'm not denying you the kisses!" Definitely not a turn-on!

I should have demanded a different girl at that point. But I hadn't been that crazy about the other ones, and sometimes you just have to make the best of it.

I had asked about a refund if i wasn't happy for some reason, and they said they would not...that they would only replace the girl. Maybe I should just refuse to stay at a place if they're not willing to stand by their service, or maybe I need to accept the reality that most girls in Europe will not be GFE. Anyone have any input on that point?

Anyway, the facilities of the place are nice (besides the air conditioning being too cold), but I can't highly recommend the service overall (since I am always looking for a GFE).

I'll keep searching, but maybe I should just stick to Brazilians only....

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[Out for Flesh]

Or Lovely.

My advice is: don't. It's a loss of time.

[Msands]

Hey guys,

I'm headed to Madrid for my initial visit on Aug 30-Sept 2. I am looking for any advice on places to go and hotel to choose. I speak fluent Spanish and don't mind trying out new things.

Any suggestions on nightclubs (both pro and non-pro) to meet some nice Spanish girls. Also, Brazilians?

If anyone else is in town and wants to meet up for a beer, let me know.

Cheers,

M

[Privateer]

Am back in Madrid this weekend. I will give FP a try perhaps. Or Lovely.

It will be very difficult to not go to see my lovely friend at Mirador.

Thanks for the suggestions guys on keeping it safe and not getting too involved.

SD,

My advice is to favor FP above Lovely. As I haven't read the best things about Lovely on this forum, it isn't unlikely that you could be fed up with the place after spending an hour or so there. Since Lovely is quite close to Mirador, which is only a bit further north along the A-1, it will be hard to resist the temptation to go there in case Lovely is a disappointment.

The problem is that these girls can be so pleasant to be with and can really make you feel that they love you. I am a real sucker for a girl who spends time talking and isn't just after the money. And of course has a great body and a beautiful face! You really have to admire these girls for making us feel so good. You gotta love them.

Yes I'm aware about this problem - perhaps you should regard visiting a club and spending time with a girl there in the same way as visiting an amusement park (only with different rides ). Like with an amusement park, of which you have plenty back in the States, they have the same goal: to make you forget about the daily grind, have a good time en enjoy yourself! If you create a few good memories in process then that's a bonus... as long as they remain memories.

Just my 2c,

Privateer

[Privateer]

Posted this one yesterday, but for some reason it didn't make it onto the forum.

Privateer, thanks for your reports.

Thanks, I enjoyed writing them.

I had a romanian girl last year in estarke 92 pulled the condom off unknown to me then slipped her little arse onto me, I only knew when I shot my load and pulled out with no wrapper on it. I asked her what the f*ck she was doing and she said it was ok she didn't mind. I blew my top, she must f*ck everyone without a condom. I have had so many offers of sex without and they try to make out you are special etc it is all bullshit.

It definitely is bullshit. If I had been given a Euro for each time a girl at a club said "you are cute" or "you are beautiful" during the past 18 months I could have stopped working by now. Most hilarious thing so far is a Rumanian girl who shamelessly claimed she wanted to have my child after we had sex - thank heavens a condom was used, which I personally removed, tied a knot in and disposed of after the deed.

I have done 2 girls without through choice but always regretted it afterwards, especially when one of them told me afterwards she didn't take the pill. I was in contact with her and she had a gap of 37 days between her period, very very stressful and the last time EVER I will do that.

Despite this hot Brazilian chica told me "no problema" after not using a condom, I could only assume (and hope!) she was using the pill. As I had to take her word for it, I can assure you it was playing on my mind for several days. Even if she was on the pill I never could completely rule out the fact that there was a remote chance that I could have ended up with some kind of sexually transmitted disease (STD). For me also: NEVER again without a rubber!

Keep up with the good reports as I am going travel further afield from the costa del sol & madrid soon.

JC

I myself will be going to Spain again first half of September, will check out a few clubs near Madrid and am also going to the Valladolid/Tordesillas region.

Privateer

[Spanishdick]

Am back in Madrid this weekend. I will give FP a try perhaps. Or Lovely.

It will be very difficult to not go to see my lovely friend at Mirador.

Thanks for the suggestions guys on keeping it safe and not getting too involved.

I'll write an update after the weekend.

John, scary thing with the pill. I had a girl do that to me 2 years ago (not a pro). I was seeing her for about 2 years while I was married (yes, I am a bad boy), and I was sure she had decided to get pregnant to make me leave my wife. I broke up with her as soon as she got her period! At my age I don't need anymore kids.

The problem is that these girls can be so pleasant to be with and can really make you feel that they love you. I am a real sucker for a girl who spends time talking and isn't just after the money. And of course has a great body and a beautiful face! You really have to admire these girls for making us feel so good. You gotta love them.