Bern

[Total Newbie]

Somebody ready to invest? https://www.tutti.ch/de/vi/solothurn...il-so/52520663.

There are probably a handful of people who will soon have way too many money on their hands and might be able to invest.

Now that we have a good 2023 metric: 1 Freubad = 1/200 Credit Suisse.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Somebody ready to invest?

The answer to that question will be very interesting for the future of the sauna club scene in CH.

[Cowens]

Somebody ready to invest? https://www.tutti.ch/de/vi/solothurn...il-so/52520663.

[Cowens]

Didn t Daniel move to Freubad? When bad point now at Freubad is no more reporting time, when I used several times on 2022 .

I believe that Torsten wanted Daniel to manage the Freubad after him, but apparently the Bitcci organisation decided differently. From what I understand from the Swiss German forums, I think that now it is the guy from the (wealthy) family who owns the Freubad building that is managing the club.

[Sirioja]

Didn t Daniel move to Freubad? When bad point now at Freubad is no more reporting time, when I used several times on 2022 .

[Cowens]

A quiet beginning of the year for the Cleo, but yet another change in management. Daniel who was a close friend with Torsten is not there anymore. Has he left or was he pushed out? I heard rumors he might also get a managing job in one of the Imperium property. The Cleo is now supervised by the same manager than the Olymp. There was recently an increase of the number of girls and the club suffers currently the same issues than the Freubad, with a ratio of 3 to 5 girls competing for each (rare) customer at the bar during the week days. Was it just a temporary increase to have a high number of girls for the Circus party of this weekend? Time will tell.

[PaulInZurich]

... I understand also the estimating the earnings and revenues expectations of girls is complicated and cost of staying in the club / country has to be factored in. An average looking single mother could be happy having net earnings of CHF 3000-4000 (6000-7000 gross) in her 3 weeks stay in Cleo whether an experienced Globe girl with some real estate investments to fund will expect to earn the same net amount in 2-3 days...

From what I hear from the girls in Globe, they can make easy 1000 per day, but to make more than 2000 in a day is rare. They used to earn more years ago. It's a negative spiral since years, less attractive WGs means less clients in the club which means less earnings for the WGs, which means less attractive WGs.

[Sirioja]

I am sure your view in not so "simplistic" ;O) I don't know the German market as a customer, only as a forum reader. My question was originated by the fact that there was some debate in the Swiss section (last summer?) of this forum about "why going to Switzerland where you can get the same club service for cheaper in Germany". Hence the question on how girls could get more money when the customers were supposedly spending less (supposing that room hours are the same). I understand also the estimating the earnings and revenues expectations of girls is complicated and cost of staying in the club / country has to be factored in. An average looking single mother could be happy having net earnings of CHF 3000-4000 (6000-7000 gross) in her 3 weeks stay in Cleo whether an experienced Globe girl with some real estate investments to fund will expect to earn the same net amount in 2-3 days.

Ruby at Freubad should make more than 3000 every week end. A nice beauty at Globe should make 15000 on a week. Yes, when You know FKK land, why to go to Switzerland when Germany have prettier girls for less expensive, only some at Freubad, few at Swiss can compete for value for money, when lower quality for more expensive at Globe. Some girls move from Switzerland to Germany for 100€/30 rate. At Sharks, girls are very free, they can start at 10 pm like chic sophisticated look Kasper. De and leave when they want. On Saturday, one left at 6 pm.

[Cowens]

My simplistic view was that the WGs in Germany can earn per hour in the room same as CHF 160 per hour like in Cleo and that cost of living is lower in Germany.

I am sure your view in not so "simplistic" ;O) I don't know the German market as a customer, only as a forum reader. My question was originated by the fact that there was some debate in the Swiss section (last summer?) of this forum about "why going to Switzerland where you can get the same club service for cheaper in Germany". Hence the question on how girls could get more money when the customers were supposedly spending less (supposing that room hours are the same). I understand also the estimating the earnings and revenues expectations of girls is complicated and cost of staying in the club / country has to be factored in. An average looking single mother could be happy having net earnings of CHF 3000-4000 (6000-7000 gross) in her 3 weeks stay in Cleo whether an experienced Globe girl with some real estate investments to fund will expect to earn the same net amount in 2-3 days.

[PaulInZurich]

Zurich and the Globe are not representative of (Swiss German) Switzerland for prices (for sex and other things). If you look at the 30 minutes prices of the smaller Swiss clubs (including some of the Imperium), they are more around 90-100 CHF, so it is not an exception for the girls to get 80-90 francs out of it. And luckily for us, it seems there are plenty of girls willing to work in small Swiss clubs; O) Then, the hourly rate is only one indicator of the girl possible revenues. With a higher average income and purchasing power, Swiss customers (or people working in Switzerland) can more easily spend in extras in the room or drinks or just do longer sessions. Having known Globe's Fathia (ex Aida in Cleo / Freubad), I would bet that she has a high percentage of CIM in her sessions (and without being overly pushy for this). I have also heard some girls (also maybe because I am on the GFE side) saying that they prefer the demographics of customers in Switzerland, having less troublesome people in the room. Finally, I think that many girls stay in places where they feel "OK" to work because they are fine with the management style, their co-workers and the core customers. It is hard to be a "new girl" in many clubs. In the 2021-early 2022 period, there were some Globe girls moving to the Cleo. I am sure they abandoned some earning opportunities, but were happy to have a less stressful working life than in Globe. Money is not always everything.

As a sideline, I would be interested in knowing the basis of your opinion that girls could earn more in Germany. When I read reports from French / Belgian people that visit both Swiss and German clubs, they often estimate that sex (especially options) is more expensive in Switzerland than in Germany. Thus I suppose that if they spend less in Germany, even in "famous" places like Sharks, and the girl get less also.

My simplistic view was that the WGs in Germany can earn per hour in the room same as CHF 160 per hour like in Cleo and that cost of living is lower in Germany. But it's true that extras are more expensive in Germany. I get all the other arguments, being familiar with the place, maybe different demographic etc. Long term though, WGs will go where they can earn more. For me it's best if the WGs earn better in Switzerland, hopefully that brings girls to Switzerland.

[Sirioja]

I agree. The current lineup is very close to the best the Freubad offered / can offer recently.

Also very pretty Tifany, but some natural beauties are missing, like Eda even I preferred her brunette. Even Sharks is the best quality for me since December, but I wait to see beauties in garden at Freubad on next Summer, like on 2022 when Freubad was best club for me.

[Sirioja]

Here is an attempt to answer this question from my discussions with girls and what I see in clubs.

Zurich and the Globe are not representative of (Swiss German) Switzerland for prices (for sex and other things). If you look at the 30 minutes prices of the smaller Swiss clubs (including some of the Imperium), they are more around 90-100 CHF, so it is not an exception for the girls to get 80-90 francs out of it. And luckily for us, it seems there are plenty of girls willing to work in small Swiss clubs; O) Then, the hourly rate is only one indicator of the girl possible revenues. With a higher average income and purchasing power, Swiss customers (or people working in Switzerland) can more easily spend in extras in the room or drinks or just do longer sessions. Having known Globe's Fathia (ex Aida in Cleo / Freubad), I would bet that she has a high percentage of CIM in her sessions (and without being overly pushy for this). I have also heard some girls (also maybe because I am on the GFE side) saying that they prefer the demographics of customers in Switzerland, having less troublesome people in the room. Finally, I think that many girls stay in places where they feel "OK" to work because they are fine with the management style, their co-workers and the core customers. It is hard to be a "new girl" in many clubs. In the 2021-early 2022 period, there were some Globe girls moving to the Cleo. I am sure they abandoned some earning opportunities, but were happy to have a less stressful working life than in Globe. Money is not always everything.

As a sideline, I would be interested in knowing the basis of your opinion that girls could earn more in Germany. When I read reports from French / Belgian people that visit both Swiss and German clubs, they often estimate that sex (especially options) is more expensive in Switzerland than in Germany. Thus I suppose that if they spend less in Germany, even in "famous" places like Sharks, and the girl get less also.

Prettiest work for most for 200/60 at Sharks, when they are prettier than 90% at Globe. After midnight, Balkanian business at Freubad, same like in most clubss in Germany. Funny, Swiss pay more expensive for lower quality now at Globe. Yes, some girls don't accept Globe rules, even they are really good girls and would be superstars at Globe.

[Cowens]

Some stars already back like Ruby.

I agree. The current lineup is very close to the best the Freubad offered / can offer recently.

[Cowens]

Why would girls then not work in Germany then? CHF 160 per hour is really not a lot. CHF 200 per hour is I would guess average, on the higher end per hour income for girls are Globe with CHF 260 and Aphrodisia with CHF 250.

Here is an attempt to answer this question from my discussions with girls and what I see in clubs.

Zurich and the Globe are not representative of (Swiss German) Switzerland for prices (for sex and other things). If you look at the 30 minutes prices of the smaller Swiss clubs (including some of the Imperium), they are more around 90-100 CHF, so it is not an exception for the girls to get 80-90 francs out of it. And luckily for us, it seems there are plenty of girls willing to work in small Swiss clubs; O) Then, the hourly rate is only one indicator of the girl possible revenues. With a higher average income and purchasing power, Swiss customers (or people working in Switzerland) can more easily spend in extras in the room or drinks or just do longer sessions. Having known Globe's Fathia (ex Aida in Cleo / Freubad), I would bet that she has a high percentage of CIM in her sessions (and without being overly pushy for this). I have also heard some girls (also maybe because I am on the GFE side) saying that they prefer the demographics of customers in Switzerland, having less troublesome people in the room. Finally, I think that many girls stay in places where they feel "OK" to work because they are fine with the management style, their co-workers and the core customers. It is hard to be a "new girl" in many clubs. In the 2021-early 2022 period, there were some Globe girls moving to the Cleo. I am sure they abandoned some earning opportunities, but were happy to have a less stressful working life than in Globe. Money is not always everything.

As a sideline, I would be interested in knowing the basis of your opinion that girls could earn more in Germany. When I read reports from French / Belgian people that visit both Swiss and German clubs, they often estimate that sex (especially options) is more expensive in Switzerland than in Germany. Thus I suppose that if they spend less in Germany, even in "famous" places like Sharks, and the girl get less also.

[Cowens]

For a while in 2021 Cleo was the only major club opened in Switzerland. Obviously when they had no competition they would earn more than after everybody reopened.

In the first half of 2022, I think that the competitive situation is normalized. One of the things that made the Cleo girls reluctant to move to the Freubad in July is that they had a really good business at the end of June. Cleo with its terrace is also a somewhat different club than without.