Bern

[PaulInZurich]

Update: the number of these new BITCCI clubs scheduled to open in 2022 has been reduced from 10 to 1, according to the BITCCI website ...

We are initially launching in the European Union, where we will be establishing 1 new nightclub by the end of 2022. After that, we will start the international rollout.

Where? When exactly? No idea. Their initial White Paper said 20 new clubs in 2022.

They are just full of BS. They still say that Bitcci TV goes live in Q1 2022. I guess they still have 2 weeks. At best, they will post a youtube video saying that "soon" they will rule the world. My bet is that it's a small software company that tailored a bit some content management system and sell it to clubs. They try since years now to find suckers for their other vaporware.

[Sirioja]

Works seem stopped at LR NRW. BTICCI own Aphrodite close to Montreux. They bought Neuenhoff Argau West Zurich.

[ShoesAndSocks]

I see on the updated BITCCI website that they are building a "Network of bitcci Nightclubs around the globe":

The bitcci Nightclub Network is a network of modern, standardised nightclub buildings in the premium segment, which the bitcci Club AG builds and operates itself in close coordination with the authorities. We are initially launching in the European Union, where we will be establishing 10 new nightclubs by the end of 2022. After that, we will start the international rollout.

Update: the number of these new BITCCI clubs scheduled to open in 2022 has been reduced from 10 to 1, according to the BITCCI website ...

We are initially launching in the European Union, where we will be establishing 1 new nightclub by the end of 2022. After that, we will start the international rollout.

Where? When exactly? No idea. Their initial White Paper said 20 new clubs in 2022.

[Sirioja]

Yes Cleo and Amesia are more flexible about time than Globe desk.

Other good point for a foreigner like me, is Cleo don t charge on international CB like do Globe with 10%, so when Globe casting was high level, could get charged more than 100 CHF on wow days, nearly a room.

[PaulInZurich]

Thank you, interesting stuff.

there were many women coming from different places with different "sex cultures" than what I consider the normal Swiss standard service.

It's a common theme in other clubs as well, some WGs need time to adjust to the local expectations. Not all succeed.

It is one of the effect with the "pre-paid"

I don't think any client prefers the pre-paid version.

[Sirioja]

It was issues with girls during the March-May 2021 period where a lot of places where closed (or under the direktzimmer status) in Switzerland and Europe, so there weer many women coming from different places with different "sex cultures" than what I consider the normal Swiss standard service. The 50% of bad sessions feelings were from the first 3 times I went and met 8 different girls. The "bad" girls have left since (and some very good also.). Issues where mostly with girls trying to rush things to finish as quickly as possible (and not listening to your wishes to do things differently) or pushing a lot for extra options / timing in the room or cheating with time or being too restrictive (can't touch anything, putting the hand to prevent good penetration, no kisses). Main example was a girl saying it was finished after 40 minutes on a one hour booking and in a way I was happy because there were too much "don't do this". As I look for GFE experience, I don't go in the room to "fight" against the girls. I always ask girls what they don't like at the beginning of the session and respect their wishes, but some are good then at killing the mood during the action. It is one of the effect with the "pre-paid" system of the Cleo, it is that you don't go to the desk at the end with the girl, so they don't check formally how much time was spent in the room or ask you there how was your experience (that is part of what I include in my opinion that their operation / management system is weaker than the Globe). On the positive side, if you have some girl that like you as a customer, you can spend sometimes 40+ minutes in the room on a quiet afternoon and nobody will ask you to pay more.

Yes Cleo and Amesia are more flexible about time than Globe desk.

[Cowens]

Can you give some examples of the 50% not good impressions? Were they club related issues that got fixed, or girl related issues where the girl is no longer there?

It was issues with girls during the March-May 2021 period where a lot of places where closed (or under the direktzimmer status) in Switzerland and Europe, so there weer many women coming from different places with different "sex cultures" than what I consider the normal Swiss standard service. The 50% of bad sessions feelings were from the first 3 times I went and met 8 different girls. The "bad" girls have left since (and some very good also.). Issues where mostly with girls trying to rush things to finish as quickly as possible (and not listening to your wishes to do things differently) or pushing a lot for extra options / timing in the room or cheating with time or being too restrictive (can't touch anything, putting the hand to prevent good penetration, no kisses). Main example was a girl saying it was finished after 40 minutes on a one hour booking and in a way I was happy because there were too much "don't do this". As I look for GFE experience, I don't go in the room to "fight" against the girls. I always ask girls what they don't like at the beginning of the session and respect their wishes, but some are good then at killing the mood during the action. It is one of the effect with the "pre-paid" system of the Cleo, it is that you don't go to the desk at the end with the girl, so they don't check formally how much time was spent in the room or ask you there how was your experience (that is part of what I include in my opinion that their operation / management system is weaker than the Globe). On the positive side, if you have some girl that like you as a customer, you can spend sometimes 40+ minutes in the room on a quiet afternoon and nobody will ask you to pay more.

[PaulInZurich]

If I forget the two initial months where I had a 50% of good impressions, I have then mostly received good to excellent service lately, even in "first-time" rooms.

Can you give some examples of the 50% not good impressions? Were they club related issues that got fixed, or girl related issues where the girl is no longer there?

[Sirioja]

The new Freubad manager is indeed Arian who was working at the bar in Globe for a while. I didn't know that for a short while he was manager in Palace. I don't know if he did there a good job or not.

Can't be worst than Sunni. Desk and bar staff were very good on 2019 and 2020 reopening when Freubad is the best club in Switzerland. I remember my discovery on beginning of August 2019 hand in hand in garden with just fallen from the truck Ana. Ro on her second day in business when she didn t speak English nor German, but we didn't need for our wow love day. Her friend who was not new in business didn't understand I preferred Ana, rare fresh girl. Very bad point at Freubad is I think on Wednesday pieces of meat to fuck killing fresh girls. Discovered Ana on a week end and she left before next Friday, pity to kill such rare freshness when she didn't know where were rooms, how to put a condom.

[PaulInZurich]

SaS, Aiming to try Cleo Monday. Will report. D.

Please do. So far Cowens presents good information more from the perspective of a regular. Would be good to hear your perspective as a club first timer.

[PaulInZurich]

The new Freubad manager is indeed Arian who was working at the bar in Globe for a while. I didn't know that for a short while he was manager in Palace. I don't know if he did there a good job or not.

[ShoesAndSocks]

On the short-term it is nice for us the customers because the choice of talent is big and the girls can invest in social time, but on the long-term I have the impression that some of the best performers are not happy with having so many "quiet" days in the week and could try to find better revenues elsewhere.

This is a complaint I often heard from Globe girls, not enough "good days" in the week. They don't seem to be able to accept that Mon-Tue will never be as busy as Fri-Sat at any club.

I tell them they should think of weekly earnings rather than daily earnings, but that doesn't seem to work for them. I realise the quiet days may get boring for them.

[Sirioja]

SaS, Aiming to try Cleo Monday. Will report. D.

Always better to discover on a good casting day. Monday may really not be the best.

[Cowens]

Important: this report is from somebody who go there only between Mondays and Thursdays. I haven't visited the other Bitcci places, but I have also the impression that they try to position Cleo as their top club and a Globe alternative, for instance putting on the web site how many girls are there. The place is however much smaller than the Globe. From what I read on Swiss forums, I am not sure they manage to create the same customer-oriented culture in all the clubs of the Bitcci group. I have been at Cleo around 20 times in the past 10 months. If I forget the two initial months where I had a 50% of good impressions, I have then mostly received good to excellent service lately, even in "first-time" rooms. Naturally after a while when you know the girls and the girls know you, things might be a little bit different. Without any negotiations, the service always included kisses and BBBJ. CIM is priced at 100 CHF and seems widely practiced. Their "Aktion" prices are difficult to beat in Western Switzerland and I have seen people coming from Geneva to enjoy the club. The line-up has optically improved recently, also with the addition of younger girls. The heavily photoshoped TagesPlan is not as reliable as it should be. I have seen girls present in two different clubs at the same time, staying on the website after they had left and recently they seemed to stop updating the "day off" status for the girls. I have the impression that the management has stretched its capability a little bit too far with all the clubs they (try to) run. The Cleo is operational performance is below the Globe I would say. The two main ThekeFrau I know are nice, but when you have only one person to manage entrances, exits, room booking, food ordering and refill the self-service coffee machine, the system reaches sometimes its limits. They experiment a lot with "different" features (like free entrance currently or mini gang-bang Wednesdays last year). It will be interesting to see how they will operate in the coming weeks / months if everything else is open in Europe (it is easier to attract talent if Austria is in lock-down for instance) and there are no more restriction for other night clubbing activities in Switzerland. I cannot say how they work on weekends, but at the beginning of the week I have the feeling that their big line-up creates an imbalance between supply and demand. On the short-term it is nice for us the customers because the choice of talent is big and the girls can invest in social time, but on the long-term I have the impression that some of the best performers are not happy with having so many "quiet" days in the week and could try to find better revenues elsewhere.

[Dubner32]

SaS, Aiming to try Cleo Monday. Will report. D.