Zurich

[Sirioja]

Two years ago, Neuenhof was under the same management than FKK Basel, a club that has merged with Pascha Basel. Bitci reopened it this autumn, moving in girls from Cleo (pic with a red sofa) and Olymp (pic with a green sofa).

Yes, new Neuenhof under BTICCI when boss, even never saw him, but seems to have balls to compete with ponytail. At least 6 clubs in Switzerland he owns now and maybe also bought LR theüsseldorf. Yes, some Neuenhof girls come from Cleo which seem to get more and more credit for its level in Switzerland, but have to visit to know. On average, when no really ugly except a curly light brown MILF even with naturals, seen on this Summer, Globe have less uglies than elsewhere, but for natural real beauties, Cleo can compete with Globe now and I only look for natural beauties, I m almost blind for others.

[Cowens]

About two years ago, I was visiting Neuenhof and had a bad impression. Cleanliness of the place was not given, pool really dirty and the choice of girls medium. There are many other good locations than Neuenhof.

Two years ago, Neuenhof was under the same management than FKK Basel, a club that has merged with Pascha Basel. Bitci reopened it this autumn, moving in girls from Cleo (pic with a red sofa) and Olymp (pic with a green sofa).

[Sirioja]

About two years ago, I was visiting Neuenhof and had a bad impression. Cleanliness of the place was not given, pool really dirty and the choice of girls medium. There are many other good locations than Neuenhof.

Where? For fresh natural looks, when I don't need rules and loved Amesia until becoming Kontaktbar with falling business and casting. BTICCI bought Neuenhof not long ago and moved some girls from Cleo, when some Cleo girls would be among the most fresh, natural and prettiest at Globe.

[Odiacz]

About two years ago, I was visiting Neuenhof and had a bad impression. Cleanliness of the place was not given, pool really dirty and the choice of girls medium. There are many other good locations than Neuenhof.

I haven't been in the Neuenhof, but I have plenty of experience at the Cleo that belongs to the same group (Bitci) and uses the same pricing with "cheap" packages and prepaid rooms. From what I have seen, the price difference between the "package" price and the "normal" price (entry + room) is all absorbed by the club. The girl will get the same money for a room if you pay it full price or if you have a package. There is no way for them to distinguish how customers pay before the decision to go to the room. It is to mention also that at the Cleo, you will anyway pre-pay the first 30 minutes of each session if you haven't bought a package of if you go to additional rooms. If you have a package, you just give your key number to the girl and she goes alone to the reception to deduct your room from your prepaid package, otherwise you go with the girl and pay the full price for at least the first 30 minutes. It is always possible to stay longer and come back at the end to pay the additional fees. I wonder also how the clubs can survive economically with this model and drinks could be part of the answer. It can be also justify for a club to "lose" money during a launch period. Finally, there is a battle between the Bitci (Cleo, olymp, Zeus, etc.) and the Imperium (Globe. History, Palace, etc.) groups, and prices are the weapon of this war. The big issue with Bitci clubs (and Imperium also) is that management talent varies widely from club to club and they sometimes lack imposing a standard good service across their subsidiaries. This being said I haven't had any problems at the Cleo with the prepaid system in maybe 20 visits and had only 2-3 requests for drinks during this period, but I also keep the initial sofa chit-chat timing to 5-10 minutes and the prices for rooms are higher at Cleo, so girls might have less needs to make money on drinks.

[Sirioja]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It makes sense that the club subsidises the girls when guys take packages, but yes how will the club make money long-term with that model. I get the impression Cleo is the "Globe" of that group, probably thanks to the stewardship of Torsten, and as you suggest the others lack the same leadership. Odd that there are no links to the other clubs on their websites.

I'm glad to know that you only have to pre-pay the first 30 minutes, and then there is flexibility to extend the session and pay the remainder afterwards. I'm hoping to give Cleo a try whenever I can return to Switzerland without Covid travel complications.

Many Cleo regulars come for 99 HH with 30 mn sex and girls are used, same than for 120/30 rate, girls don't ask about rate but time and service. BTICCI business seem to work not so bad with Cleo now number 1 when Zeus was before, but also Aphrodite Montreux, Olymp Solothurn and now Neuenhof West Zurich but in Argau. HH and packages in most of these clubs. Seem also bought a German club in Düsseldorf. In no rules clubs, some also in Germany like Sharks, Oase or Samya, You just need to be more able with girls than going to cry on desk, but girls have usually more fresh behavior in no rules for me, different but more interesting game than girls robots behaving same with all, even not meaning giving same intimate. And more fresh or woman type looks at Cleo than Globe, less porn.

[Sirioja]

Thanks for the Warming DI. This is exactly the reason I never go for prepaid (also not in Germany where they use to have this "all you can fuck" clubs. Terrible.

Sad you had to experience this.

Amesia, Freubad, Cleo, you have to pay a bit before going to room, so I always only pay for 30 mn, when also some rabbit quickie, and tell girl and desk we will see for time spent in room at the end, even for my several rooms with Milena Amesia, desk telling I will pay extending at the end, very honest at Amesia and Freubad. Had great rooms in these clubs, was never fucked by any girl, but I don t need clubs rules, I manage with the woman in bed and I sometimes didn't pay for extension at Freubad or Amesia, or was extended package at Freubad. On the other hand, on my beginning of July first visit of the year at Globe because raining in Iseran I left with tears, when arrived at 6 pm on a Saturday, I didn't need hours to notice Adriana as the only fresh natural attractive and even a bit busy on her first day at Globe, but she was not unreachable, but I didn't rush to her because I saw her going to bar with some guys key, not only with one, when I don't drink alcohol other than on some symbolic dates but not in brothels which are not, and not good for sex performance when I prefer driving speed than alcohol, but Adriana never asked me for a drink, when I also saw her, being lovely welcome when returning on beginning of August. I don t like ashtray taste for kissing, but I also don't like alcohol taste or smell.

[ShoesAndSocks]

I haven't been in the Neuenhof, but I have plenty of experience at the Cleo that belongs to the same group (Bitci) and uses the same pricing with "cheap" packages and prepaid rooms. From what I have seen, the price difference between the "package" price and the "normal" price (entry + room) is all absorbed by the club...

Thanks for the detailed explanation. It makes sense that the club subsidises the girls when guys take packages, but yes how will the club make money long-term with that model. I get the impression Cleo is the "Globe" of that group, probably thanks to the stewardship of Torsten, and as you suggest the others lack the same leadership. Odd that there are no links to the other clubs on their websites.

I'm glad to know that you only have to pre-pay the first 30 minutes, and then there is flexibility to extend the session and pay the remainder afterwards. I'm hoping to give Cleo a try whenever I can return to Switzerland without Covid travel complications.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

Still, that level of "organization" amongst the girls is very off-putting. I imagine that mindset stems from a group of not very busy girls sitting around and stewing over a lack of business, which says a lot (bad) about the club itself.

Drinks are a very minor part of the FKK experience as far as I'm concerned (being pretty much a non-drinker). Based on my time in these clubs, the girls who focus on them are poor performers and/or alcoholics.

[Cowens]

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?
And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

I haven't been in the Neuenhof, but I have plenty of experience at the Cleo that belongs to the same group (Bitci) and uses the same pricing with "cheap" packages and prepaid rooms. From what I have seen, the price difference between the "package" price and the "normal" price (entry + room) is all absorbed by the club. The girl will get the same money for a room if you pay it full price or if you have a package. There is no way for them to distinguish how customers pay before the decision to go to the room. It is to mention also that at the Cleo, you will anyway pre-pay the first 30 minutes of each session if you haven't bought a package of if you go to additional rooms. If you have a package, you just give your key number to the girl and she goes alone to the reception to deduct your room from your prepaid package, otherwise you go with the girl and pay the full price for at least the first 30 minutes. It is always possible to stay longer and come back at the end to pay the additional fees. I wonder also how the clubs can survive economically with this model and drinks could be part of the answer. It can be also justify for a club to "lose" money during a launch period. Finally, there is a battle between the Bitci (Cleo, olymp, Zeus, etc.) and the Imperium (Globe. History, Palace, etc.) groups, and prices are the weapon of this war. The big issue with Bitci clubs (and Imperium also) is that management talent varies widely from club to club and they sometimes lack imposing a standard good service across their subsidiaries. This being said I haven't had any problems at the Cleo with the prepaid system in maybe 20 visits and had only 2-3 requests for drinks during this period, but I also keep the initial sofa chit-chat timing to 5-10 minutes and the prices for rooms are higher at Cleo, so girls might have less needs to make money on drinks.

[Sirioja]

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

I don't think when BTICCI make HH and packages and girls are used to, many Neuenhof girls coming from Cleo. When Globe girls give 20 on 140 to desk, I don't think BTICCI girls make less money from HH or packages entries than normal rate 120/30 , when many HH or packages entries. I think you were just unlucky about your girl, did you see Aida who looks natural attractive? Compare to photoshop porn silicon looks at Globe. I think you made a mistake on your discovery, when I would pay only entry 49 to discover and 1 hour would be 198 , so 247 versus 199 package but no risk nor pressure to go for only average. Some good girls at Cleo, with Aida and Mara ex Globe, so I think should be same at Neuenhof belonging to same group, even Olymp is lower level for looks, but each one own experience. When already compulsory mask in our ski resort, so I have to focus to speed to ski as soon good weather to free ride, but after I should try to discover Neuenhof and return to Cleo when sometimes free entry with foods, so no risk.

[Delta Indigo]

I am puzzled by the packages in this chain of clubs (never had the chance to visit any yet).

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?

And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

Maybe,

That might have been the reason, maybe they didn't want a lower rate from a package customer and that's what motivated their behaviour.

[KaveMan]

Certain mindsets believe that successful cheating is winning, even if it does not pay off in the long run.

I think your loss was actually minimized at 100.

They are running a scam and would have run up your drinks tab times two girls, surprise bucket of champagne and say cork is out too late, or added "fee" to credit card days later.

Or they will hold your card, or passport or threaten calling police until you.

Some gang or crook has planted the girl at front desk and is running it until they are found out with card charge backs or real Manager is tipped off.

Have to keep in mind prostitution is a criminal enterprise and we have to build in risk premium for loss.

[ShoesAndSocks]

This report should be categorized under regretful experiences...

I am puzzled by the packages in this chain of clubs (never had the chance to visit any yet).

At Neuenhof, if you don't take the package, then it's 49 entry and 99 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
With the 199 package, if the club still takes 49, then it's 75 per 30 minutes x 2 for 2 girls.
Do you think the girls are asking for drinks from those who take a package to try and make up the difference (assuming they get a cut of the drinks you buy them)?

And, pre-paying doesn't happen anywhere else in FKK / Sauna clubs that I'm aware of. As you say, it introduces a risk that isn't worth taking for first timers.

[Maxime]

Thanks for the Warming DI. This is exactly the reason I never go for prepaid (also not in Germany where they use to have this "all you can fuck" clubs. Terrible.

Sad you had to experience this.

[Delta Indigo]

This report should be categorized under regretful experiences. We are not talking about sub standard service from one or more girls, but rather systematic cheating.

I have been to other clubs in the chain and had no problems, except for this one. This is far from the cream of the crop, I think this is a bottle of the barrel type of club. So I had pre paid for the 199 CHF, 2 girls included package, I would never do this again in this club, not that I am ever going there again, ever again.

So I approached one of the girls for a session and she said she wanted to drink, wanted me to buy her a drink, I politely declined and then she told all the other girls to refuse to go with me. Some of them had been friendly before but were now shunning me.

I approached the front desk and told them about this, they kept defending the girls and blaming me and said that they could not refund part of my fee. I said this is obviously what happened and then they kept coming up with more excuses and lies. I don't have a problem with the fact that they did not completely believe me, I am astounded that customers satisfaction is such a low priority in this club. There were 2 girls at the front desk and obviously the one who was defending them had been a former working girl and was in league with them.

Normally Switzerland is relatively good for customer satisfaction, the club was totally indifferent and did not care. If you visit this club, I would never get the pre paid package in case something like this happens. The basic entrance is cheap and I should not have gotten the package in that case I would have had no regrets.

In the end the drinks were waived, but I lost 100 CHF as part of the deal. This never happens in Switzerland normally. My guess would be that the chain management would not approve of this, but the local club did. If you pre pay for service and then all the girls refuse to go with you, then they make money for free and maybe split it up at the end.

Or the girl whom I refused drinks to, took revenge this way. Then they made up numerous stories about my behavior and so on. I think they did not expect me to protest and would have been happy. But this chain's policy of pre paying is not a risk free venture. If you don't pre pay then the prices are not that low. I have never had an experience like this in any club in Switzerland. Times are tough and cheating increases when times are tough.

Certain mindsets believe that successful cheating is winning, even if it does not pay off in the long run.