Zurich

[Sebastiane]

Anyone been back to Aphrodisia since the reopening?

[Polyamorist]

One big issue of Rouge was the lack of turnover, as though the old guard mobbed all the new girls, especially the successful ones. I have seen last year very attractive girls, who were busy, but did not last long and disappeared quickly. The suspect that the main clique has made them the life impossible, is very strong.

I only wish girls would confide in us more when they have problems. Their default behavior is to hide everything, as if we were chumps or villains. We are constantly having to second-guess what is really going on.

In any club, if girls are feeling oppressed by management or the other girls, and they can't retaliate, they may opt to take it out on the customer during sessions. This is especially true in clubs where the customer does not get any protection or respect from the management.

[Belbo]

Personally I would not weep for it, Signor Belbo. I have been there a couple of times, and it had an overly controlled atmosphere. There was a headmistress-like character who watched everything and not so much for the customer's advantage. I even got the sense that she was briefing the girls before I had sex with them on how they should behave and what they might expect to get out of me. So it is more like the old-style brothels with madams that the Swiss got sick of precisely because they had all this control and service steadily declined. What we love about FKKs is the spontaneity, and that depends a lot on the independence of the girls. They can't really see you as human if they themselves are treated like soldiers or spies or robots or something.

I had completely different pieces of experience; it seemed to me always that the girls were free to do whatever they wanted and that the real power was more on the girls than on the management.

One big issue of Rouge was the lack of turnover, as though the old guard mobbed all the new girls, especially the successful ones. I have seen last year very attractive girls, who were busy, but did not last long and disappeared quickly. The suspect that the main clique has made them the life impossible, is very strong.

[Sirioja]

Personally I would not weep for it, Signor Belbo. I have been there a couple of times, and it had an overly controlled atmosphere. There was a headmistress-like character who watched everything and not so much for the customer's advantage. I even got the sense that she was briefing the girls before I had sex with them on how they should behave and what they might expect to get out of me. So it is more like the old-style brothels with madams that the Swiss got sick of precisely because they had all this control and service steadily declined. What we love about FKKs is the spontaneity, and that depends a lot on the independence of the girls. They can't really see you as human if they themselves are treated like soldiers or spies or robots or something.

Yesterday, girls told me new Swiss law rules they were told by manager: no kissing, CBJ and nothing in public, but we know how new German law worked for real. 3 new girls for me, I didn't ask anything sexual before, nor in room, I just played my game, first who is not a new girl but more elegant look now finished exhausted from 3 orgasmus she said but very hard for me to finish with her level, even after 3 months. Second was just exceptional for love in bed, I didn't understand why desk didn't ask me to pay for extended time, maybe because she didn't tell me we were over time, so, to be fair with her, when I did tip less than 5 girls out of much more than 1000 rooms, I gave her my €, out of desk. Then, Rebeka. Hu ex Globe, Bumsalp, who wanted we did party with her friend who touched me and I hated this, I know she is afraid of a dangerous in bed guy like me, but I told her: I want only You. I was happy to close book with her, even I understood before what happened, but was so disappointed when so wow discovery, but she feels more safe when she can keep control.

There are laws and there are men and girls I look like women, I don t beg in a grocery, I won t ask, I play for surprise from my behavior and talent. For sure, less risky to go with girls already known, but so enjoyable to get without asking under this new law. Give me new motivation, to play versus law, in private. Anyway, even before new law, even at Globe, my girls didn't want in public with me, even Sofia or Joana didn't, Megan of course not, and same in other clubs when girls know me. I m unlucky with girls, I can t play Rocco.

[PaulInZurich]

The new Amesia pricing policy is consistent with the closure of Life; to attract, with much lower prices (340 vs 460), customers with the typical contact bar mindset "go, grab a bier, have a look, pick up a girl, have sex and then go home".
Who goes to Amesia to spend a day in a sauna and have multiple sessions, sees instead a slightly increase, as food and alcohol are not included anymore; we'll see if the strategy pays back.

Free entry in Amesia will attract guys who go for a look and maybe one round. For that crowd it just got cheaper. Amesia was before at the same price point as Globe and they were struggling with that.

No more free alcohol I suppose will reduce the number of people who just hang around.

[PaulInZurich]

What we love about FKKs is the spontaneity, and that depends a lot on the independence of the girls. They can't really see you as human if they themselves are treated like soldiers or spies or robots or something.

That's a good point in general. But I knew as well some girls that seemed the most fun, free spirit type only to find out later that they were sent to work by a pimp too. The type of guys that would tell them (paraphrasing), when you get fucked in the ass over there, think what a nice house we will have together. And when the girl doesn't want to go anymore the pimp already has the next girl (a few years younger) lined up.

[Polyamorist]

I am instead concerned that Club Rouge maybe the next victim; pity, a small and elegant bijoux, great food, which lately had a good lineup and was an excellent alternative to Globe and Aphro.

Personally I would not weep for it, Signor Belbo. I have been there a couple of times, and it had an overly controlled atmosphere. There was a headmistress-like character who watched everything and not so much for the customer's advantage. I even got the sense that she was briefing the girls before I had sex with them on how they should behave and what they might expect to get out of me. So it is more like the old-style brothels with madams that the Swiss got sick of precisely because they had all this control and service steadily declined. What we love about FKKs is the spontaneity, and that depends a lot on the independence of the girls. They can't really see you as human if they themselves are treated like soldiers or spies or robots or something.

[Sirioja]

The corona virus is changing the market, at least in Zurich and probably reducing the number of clubs.

First victim is Club Life, which was shut down: honestly, despite the room were large and beautiful, it is not a big loss, as it was on a downward spiral and all the best girls were quickly moved to Aphrodisia. A visit from time to time to meet some specific girls were worth, but otherwise there were lately better choices in Zurich.

The new Amesia pricing policy is consistent with the closure of Life; to attract, with much lower prices (340 vs 460), customers with the typical contact bar mindset "go, grab a bier, have a look, pick up a girl, have sex and then go home".

Who goes to Amesia to spend a day in a sauna and have multiple sessions, sees instead a slightly increase, as food and alcohol are not included anymore; we'll see if the strategy pays back.

I am instead concerned that Club Rouge maybe the next victim; pity, a small and elegant bijoux, great food, which lately had a good lineup and was an excellent alternative to Globe and Aphro.

When Globe lost chic for me, becoming just fuck factory, even no public sex and less clients may be improvement now for me, when Aphrodisia looks don t worth the rate, Sunny don t worth 280 for 30, but I really enjoyed Amesia, more chic than Globe and Aphrodisia for me, with more interesting, woman type, girls, like Milena or Yulia. Good point is also free snack to eat, because I m far from my kitchen. In NRW, GT and LR propose package entry, I think I will take breakfast, shower to relax from stress driving like a snail in Switzerland, diner at Globe, and will move to Amesia for girls. Good for Globe to get my 95 , and I will spend for women who interest me. Good package with 10 minutes between, for less expensive than GT and LR. I think many guys will go like at Aphrodisia, but just to drink and voyeur, but no business for girls, so girls will be fresh for real business. 30 minutes were 220 before, 235 at Globe, now 170 with free drinks, no alcohol, and free snack, when Globe foods fall like looks. To try this package.

[Belbo]

On their website they state free entrance with only soft drinks included. Access to wellness costs extra, as well no more free alcoholic drinks or food. 30 minutes for CHF 170,1 hour for CHF 340. They have 34 girls planned for the opening on Friday.

The corona virus is changing the market, at least in Zurich and probably reducing the number of clubs.

First victim is Club Life, which was shut down: honestly, despite the room were large and beautiful, it is not a big loss, as it was on a downward spiral and all the best girls were quickly moved to Aphrodisia. A visit from time to time to meet some specific girls were worth, but otherwise there were lately better choices in Zurich.

The new Amesia pricing policy is consistent with the closure of Life; to attract, with much lower prices (340 vs 460), customers with the typical contact bar mindset "go, grab a bier, have a look, pick up a girl, have sex and then go home".

Who goes to Amesia to spend a day in a sauna and have multiple sessions, sees instead a slightly increase, as food and alcohol are not included anymore; we'll see if the strategy pays back.

I am instead concerned that Club Rouge maybe the next victim; pity, a small and elegant bijoux, great food, which lately had a good lineup and was an excellent alternative to Globe and Aphro.

[PaulInZurich]

Or maybe she will develop antibodies in no time and it will be gone and she won't pass it on to many guys. A young woman has a stronger immune system than anybody else.

Partially right. Yes, women are more likely to be asymptomatic. Yes, asymptomatic people have a shorter duration of viral shedding, a shorter duration of disease and are less likely to pass it on.

However none of the studies had the subjects swapping saliva.

My personal opinion is that currently the risk is low, just a handful of new cases in Switzerland since weeks. My point is that _IF_ a girl in an FKK catches it, it will spread quickly there. Close contact to clients, swapping body fluids, girls sleeping together in small rooms with bunk beds, etc.

[Sirioja]

Or maybe she will develop antibodies in no time and it will be gone and she won't pass it on to many guys. A young woman has a stronger immune system than anybody else.

Yes 20's WGs should survive virus, but what about not so healthy clients and their relatives? I think this why Germany is still closed, I don t think they care much about Romanian WGs, but maybe a bit more about German families, when new law was made also to protect German wives. When You listen to German girls working in clubs, nearly all German guys go to prostitutes, not only in clubs.

[Polyamorist]

I agree with this, if one WG gets infected she can pass it on to 100 guys easy.

Or maybe she will develop antibodies in no time and it will be gone and she won't pass it on to many guys. A young woman has a stronger immune system than anybody else.

[PaulInZurich]

I think brothels are riskier playfields than restaurants or bars.

I agree with this, if one WG gets infected she can pass it on to 100 guys easy.

[Sirioja]

Sorry was not specific enough. There was no case yet at least none that I am aware off and I am sure it would have been in the press. Also a bit early. This was more a hypothetical because with the large number of people there is a statistical decent probability that it might eventually happen. You had it in all different types of events E. G. Restaurants, churches etc. After reopening but no large outbreak yet. But curious if the sex industry will be treated differently.

I think this is why large Germany with so many brothels don t want to take risk which can be in so many places. I think brothels are riskier playfields than restaurants or bars.

[SaratogaX]

Are they trying to capitalize on current supply shortage and behavioral changes or something else?

I take that commend back. It's probably due to behavioral changes only.