Istanbul

[paganslave]

Alex, I hope you won't mind me adding your thoughts to the WSG. They are great tidbits.


I have enjoyed the WSG reports so much since I am a frequent visitor to Istanbul. I had a turkish girlfriend for almost two years I met her in Dubai and ever since we arrange to meet in Istanbul and have fun for about two weeks every other 4 months, then we brok up last year since then I benfited from the forum a lot

so I visited Serenda Club which is in Aksaray area not very far from the big intersection there it is to the right if you are heading towards the airport from Taksim, the situation there as explaind in the forum except the fees is 12mil TL it is off season the dance floor(Maidan) is full this time at 1:00 am and you cannot see the girls perfectly because of the crowd but the best thing is to take a good table overlooking the floor until you find the one fit your desire and go a head and ask her how much and all the details.

by the way one person cannot sit alone on these table you have to share it with another two which mostly going to be turkish boys . after picking the girl the mood at the reception is normal as if you are lineing up at the post office your and her IDs and 40mil TL for the room most girls have condoms and as soon as you get into the room the girl takes off her clothes and the push you to make it quick so they can go a gain for another customer I have tried last night for a one hour session which cost 50milTL plus another 20 as a tip. after you are done you give the keys and that is it.

Rgarding massage place in Nadide, I had me to find it and not every taxi driver knows it even if you pick the taxi from Nisnatsi area the address there is Nadid & Enjoy , Valikonagi Cad. Akkavak Sk. No:16
apt # 2 tel :212-2416283 or 2417582.
after nocking the door at the second floor a girl opens the door and search you for weapon with a smile and if you speak english the manager who is a lady in her 40s will speak to you. after having a tea at this loung while you cheking the girls available if you do not like what you see you can tell her that you will wait for the others inside customers rooms may be you like them better, the charge for the massage is 100mil TL which is far from calling it a massage it is sensual touching and the girl will offer you a BJ for 20 or BJ and a quick fuck for 50 mil.
and she will cover the window on your door so want be noticed because if the police cathes them doing sex it is a huge fine , later you can have the girl mobile # or the manager No and she can send you the girl at your hotel if the price is right. all girls are turkish which are usually if they have a good face means no good body but if she have a good boobs or big ass then her face could be ugly so make your choice.

tonight I will be going to the Demirkoy hotel in Artakoy near the airport to check some Natasha girls there.
so please if you have some info to exchang about the scene her in Istanbul pleae let me know especially escort service or the Russian madam which they have talking about all over the forum.
Thanks a lot/

yours: Alex

I'll be back to Istanbul from Ankara in a couple of weeks to ad stories to the forum. Until then, keep hunting men!

[Capt Nemo]

Hiya all, you Istanbul pussy hunters, I have just this week arrived in Istanbul on a yacht for a winter refit and my Crew and I are looking for some fun and games in Istanbul, anyone with good suggestions of how to make the next 4 months more enjoyable I would love to hear from you.
Stockbroker, I would like to get hold of you as you say you live here and know the ropes. well looking froward to feedback.

Regards,

[Tocsin]

paganslave,

I thought they were trying to scam me... that's why I didn't get one of the girls. I almost stayed at the hotel there but passed when they quoted the rates for girls. Let me know what the deal is so that the next time I am in Adana I'll know what to do.
ALso, when the weather is warm, I know they have girls hanging out at their pool. The same goes for the pool at the Hotel Seyhan. Now, at the Seyhan, I don't know what the deal is regarding those girls but I believe that there is a possibility for action. I had stayed at the Seyhan in July and went to the pool. One of the busboys was yelling at me not to go since "no girls were there." Iwas actually going to the pool to swim. ANyway, any news about the action in Adana would be appreciated.
Again, I reiterate... stay away from the Genelev in Adana unless you like really old and baggy looking women.
Peace

[Edrotic]

Hi,

I often stay in Istanbul, unfortunately only daytime in the Crown Plaza hotel. Any recommendations of any 'erotic sauna - massage' services in this area or alternatives this time of the day..?

Thanks..E.

[gremlin]

Hey guys,

Firstly I want to thank you all for posting all this great info.

I often now have to travel to Istanbul for business but unfortunately usually only for the day :-(((

Does anyone have either of two things:

1. There much discussed telephone number of the russian madam, I really hope t get to stay there sometime soon and would love a nice daytime and or evening visit.

2. Any details of daytime places, massage, escort, brothels (except the local government run hell hole)

[paganslave]

Tocsin,
They are scaming you! I went thee with a local friend about 3 months ago and prices were a fraction of that. I'll be back in Adana next month and I'll let you know what is up.

[Tocsin]

Originally posted by paganslave
Cossack,
Are you still in Istanbul? I'm currently in Ankara and will be trying to get information on places to hit here, but wanted to get the latest from you on Istanbul. My work has be bouncing between Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana. I hope to truly flush out the WSG>Europe>Turkey forum before I'm done. E-mail me at paganslave@hotmail.com if your inclined.

paganslave,

have you been to the AFRODIT in Adana? I went there but was unable to hook up because the manager keep saying I had to for over 500 US for a Russian girl. I know no one is paying that.
There choice of girls there looks relly good but I am not paying that.
Stay away from the Genelev in Adana. No women under 90 years old! LOL

[USArocks]

wolfhound:

Check out my post from early August. It talks a bit about the food in Istanbul. Great city man, your going to love it. Most everyone I met speaks at least some English. It seems like Turkish, English and Russian are the most widely spoken languages in Istanbul.

Try the fish restaurants in the Beyazit area. Some are really great!

[paganslave]

Cossack,
Are you still in Istanbul? I'm currently in Ankara and will be trying to get information on places to hit here, but wanted to get the latest from you on Istanbul. My work has be bouncing between Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana. I hope to truly flush out the WSG>Europe>Turkey forum before I'm done. E-mail me at paganslave@hotmail.com if your inclined.

[Stockbroker]

Serenda is not a kind of hotel that you want to stay...poor service
and no located near to business centers..
till morning, means 5 am unless agreed 10 or so...

food in istanbul is an other subject...what do you like most to eat ?
bye
stockbroker

[jakke]

I will be in Istanbul early october, so if that madames number or any same kind of numbers are available, I'll thank you.

My email is jari@zzn.zzn.com

[Local Expert]

Bunnyhopper ! Thanks for this detailed and great posting. I aggree with everything you said regarding Serenda.

1) Toilet women: You can find these women usually only in places with a hoocker scene. The bottle infront of her is filled with Turkish Cologne. You pay 4 using the toilet, 1 mio TL is more than enough.

2) I went to Serenda only twice. Both times the girls offered me "escort" for 24 hours for 100 USD but the following day.

3) BJ in Serenda: I was served well :-) both times I was there

[wolfhound]

To Stockbroker:

Hi there, i will be visiting istanbul in early November. If i'm not wrong, that corresponds to the low season in turkey. Will i have problems getting the girls in seranda hotel during that period?

Secondly, i will most likely be staying at royal hotel istanbul as i could not find any website for the seranda hotel, thus i could not make any reservation. Should i book single or double room if i'm going to bring the girls back to my hotel? Maybe i would book royal hotel only for the 1st night then try to stay at seranda for the rest of my visit there.

Thirdly, after reading some of the reports here, it seems that an all night with the girls translates to about them staying only until 5am. Will they stay until morning till about 10am?

Lastly, on a totally different topic, any good restuarants to recommend that won't rip me off?

Thanks in advance.
If you ever need advice on SIngapore, Malaysia or bangkok sex scene give me a ring and i'll return the favour.

[Stockbroker]

Hey Bunnyhopper.....
i am glad to hear that you enjoyed istanbul...
if you dont want to pay the hotel for twice in a night,you better go there at day time and book a room for two nights..and keep the keys with you..(you can use it for two days along)
i am a little disapointed by your experience in Bacardi Club.
in Bacardi club the party starts at 01 am,so next time go there
at 12 ,and insist on seating a table near to dancefloor..tip him in advance..and wait for the best girl.They are freelancers,come and go...dont give a shit what waitress said.You never know who is coming..week days are better..weekends are busy..
Nowadays girls population is getting crowded because they are coming back from South of Turkey where they went to work and holliday.Augst is a dead season...by the october hunting season is opening.
i live in istanbul,dont hesitate ask everything about istanbul...
night life,historical places,restaurants or so..
good luck,bye..
stockbroker

[BunnyHopper]

I have been on a short break in Istanbul in August 02, my first trip to Turkey. Having taken the advise from previous postings on this site, I feel that I should add my experiences here too so that future travellers can benefit from them.

I know this is long report but I have tried to think of every possible detail (save a few exceptions) that a potential reader may have. {My first draft was even longer !!!!)

Day 1:

I arrived very late on Friday night (around 11.00 pm). I had to pay €15.00 (£10.00) entry visa. My hotel was on the European side close to the main pedestrianised road called Istiklal Caddesi, not far from the Euro Plaza, which someone has mentioned on the WSG before. The fare was about 24million lira and I paid the driver 30million and the journey took about 30mins.

As I was checking in to my hotel I asked the guy at the front desk if it was OK to bring overnight guests to the room. He said it was OK, but I had already prepaid/booked a double-I don’t know what the answer would have been had I been in a single/rated room.

I washed/showered and then changed into a pair of ordinary blue Levis and white shirt with black shoes (for those of you that want to know about dress code {or as it turned out, there isn’t one}) and slapped on some after-shave/cologne and headed out.

It was now 1.30-2.00am ‘ish and I stepped outside of my hotel and looked at the row of cabs outside. I approached an oldish/skinny looking driver figuring that a young /mean looking one would be more likely to rip-me off. I asked him if he spoke English (I speak no Turkish other than some basic phrases “Yes”, “No”, “How much”…etc) he said no. I said you know Seranda Hotel ?, he shook his head, I then said Aksaray meaning just take me across the water to the old city. I thought I would take this cab to Aksaray and then swap into another cab for Serenda Hotel when in the area.

The driver got the directions and after a few poorly light back streets we were at the bottom of the road that the Hotel is on. I paid the driver I think about 10-15mill (my mind was a bit of a blur with nerves). At the top of this dead-end road on the left-hand side is the Hotel with the words Serenda Hotel written in white on a blue neon background. A smaller similar sign underneath it says Serenda Disco. There was a set of steps at the top of the road next to the hotel. The road was pretty busy with traffic, parked taxis and people coming and going. I did not feel uncomfortable walking up the street towards the sign. I made an attempt to look as though I was walking with purpose so avoided eye contact with most people on the street.

Under the disco sign is the entrance to the club. I walked through the entrance and at the top there was one guy in his 50’s seated at a cash register/till and a couple of young uniformed security guys. A sign on the wall says in English 15 million.

It was now around 2.30am I guess. I paid 15 million and showed my passport, they all paused and looked at me a second. I was frisked by a uniformed security guy whom then called a waiter out whom then led me into the club/bar.

99 % of the guys inside where Turks ! For some reason I had imagined that the majority would be tourists like myself from Western Europe or North America. (By they way these guys were there like me for the girls, not to drink or get drunk, fight or rob people - they did not give me a second glance and I felt very comfortable and melted into the background - I am from the UK but my ethnic background is from the Indian Sub-Continent. There were a couple of white guys inside though having a great time, however I did not see any Black or Oriental looking guys though, but I can’t imagine they would have any problems though.).

The waiter showed me to a table. I asked do you speak English? He shook his head and called another that did. He asked what would you like and I replied how much is a coke. He said it was included in the entrance price. He came back to my table with a small glass of coke and two small plates of fruit and peanuts also included in the 15mill fee.

The place is pretty small. A 5m long bar along one wall and a dance floor measuring 5m by 7m along the wall opposite with tables and chairs everywhere else and about 7 or 8 waiters inside plus a DJ on the turntables in the corner near the entrance to the toilets.

I sat looking at that dance floor and there were about 10-20 girls dancing with guys and the dance floor was packed. There were also some girls sitting at tables in groups of 2 and 3. Also you must remember that that there will probably a dozen or so girls already in the bedrooms as well at any given time.

Rule 1. You must not change the table that your are shown to when you enter the club. After my first coke I went and sat at another table closer to the dance floor and a waiter promptly came over and asked me to go back to my original table. Which I did.

Rule 2. You must not talk to any of the girls that are seated or as they walk around the bar/ to or from the toilet. I did this and a waiter shouted at me.

Rule 3. ALL propositioning is to be done on the dance floor. You see a girl you like wait till she is on the floor, you then go to the floor and just ask “How much ?” You see girls moving about the floor from guy to guy and each guy asking her stuff. Just wait till she catches your eye and then ask. On my first night I found it difficult to come out with the words “How much” straight off so like an idiot I asked “Are you alone?” … blah blah blah and things like that and the girls smiled at me thinking first timer !

All girls quoted the same numbers; the rate is 50mill TL for 1 hour or US$100 for the night. 9 out 10 of them are gorgeous with the odd fat/old one thrown in for good measure. Just ignore them if they look at you. The girls are aged 18 to 22 I would say and most are dressed as girls that age would do to go for a night out on the town. Some in tight jeans other in tight trousers others in short low cuts tops and the odd one or two in evening dresses. I think most of them are Romanian or Moldavian. I did not encounter any Turkish or Russian girls (but I did not speak to all of them). They do not look like pro’s more amateurs to me.

I met this great Romanian girl and was quoted the prices as above and I said one hour. She said follow me (most speak a little English) and walked off the dance floor towards the exit a metre or two behind her (AGAIN I DID NOT TALK TO HER WHILST WE WERE OFF THE FLOOR IN THE CLUB). Through the exit (the same one you enter through) is another door (next to the guy at the cash till) that leads directly to the front desk of the hotel. The girl then hands you her id/passport and goes to and waits on some leather couches in the foyer whilst you wait at the front desk. I asked how much for the room the guy said 40mill (they all spoke English at the front desk). He took both passports and asked me to sign a form and gave a set of keys to the bell-boy (not so young in his 40’s maybe) the girl comes back and the three of us go up in a lift to the room. The guy goes in turns on the TV shows you the fridge and then waits for a tip. I gave him 5million and he then left. The girl then whispers to me “preservative”(condom in Turkish) and I shook my head to mean I have none. (Tip: Bring your own if you want save on the cost/hassle and keep contact with hotel staff to an absolute minimum) She then goes to the door and calls him back and says something to him. She closes the door and a few minutes later another guy knocks on the door. I showed him two fingers J and he gave me the two condoms and he showed me three fingers J I gave him 5mill he smiled and walked off. I didn’t plan to do it twice in 1 hr, but wanted a spare in case 1 condom broke or something.

The girls are very friendly but treat them well. Don’t jump on them as soon as the door closes be gentle (follow the advise of previous postings) ask their name, if they are hungry, where they are from…etc. The fridge in each room contains one coke, one fanta and one bottled water (included in the 40mill for the room-I think) offer her something, you’ve already paid for it ! Think about it, most of the guys in the club are locals, perhaps they don’t tip or haggle the price down further …etc (and as one girl told me they all do it like “ like a dog and car” - (not quite ‘Cockney Rhyming Slang’ - for the Londoners J) by dog she meant doggy-style and by car she meant fast!!), tip her 10-20mill TL & be nice to her and you will stand out head and shoulders above the other guys and get a better level of service.

However, who does not like doggy-style? I know that I do !!

All services are available, oral, anal (bring your own lubricant if you don’t want to spend your time struggling to penetrate her), kissing, fucking with no condom, if that is your cup of tea. (BUT AGREE THE SERVICE YOU WANT ON THE DANCE FLOOR FIRST). But obviously this depends also on how attractive or unattractive you make look to her and if you can develop some sort of rapport in the short space if time.

We did the deed, she was exceptional, she had a shower and we then went downstairs to the front desk where I collect both passports and then back into the disco. The girl has to pay to get back in, I was about to pay as well too (seeing her do it) when the security guy shook his head to stop me and just opened the door to let me back in.

When inside DON’T TALK TO HER AGAIN EXCEPT ON THE DANCE FLOOR. I took up my old seat and ordered coke from the same waiter, 4mill and the bill was presented at the same time. I gave him a 10mill note and he came back with a 6mill I gestured to him to keep it and he seemed delight. This is the best thing to do. Tip him 5-6 mill (think about it, it’s worth very little in £, $ or €’s) and he will look after you and offer you a better seat…etc on the second or third night…etc, consider it an investment. Perhaps you can prise from him nuggets of useful information about the local scene.

I then went to the toilet and outside the toilet sits an old women with a bottle of some type of hand lotion. After using the toilet on exiting it you should pay her. After my first trip to the toilet I came out looked at her shook my head to mean I did not want it and walked off. She seemed to get annoyed and I did not understand why. On the second trip to the gents a Turkish guy was exiting the gents before me and I watched him pay what looked like 3mill to the women (I now know it was probably around 300k lira - too many zeros in the currency for me). Anyway, I put 5mill on the table and walked off without taking any lotion. You are paying to use the toilet not for the lotion, that’s why she got annoyed the first time.

CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME A QUESTION? THE WOMEN WITH THESE BOTTLES, DO THEY ONLY SIT OUTSIDE TOILETS IN CLUBS WHERE THERE IS SEX ON THE MENU OR DO YOU ALSO FIND THEM OUTSIDE THE TOILETS IN “NORMAL CLUBS/BARS?”

I then picked a second girl and wanted her for the whole night US$100 and to come to my hotel. She would not agree to come to my hotel (neither would the first girl that I had - taking her out for the night would have been my first choice). So we headed to the front desk, the guy asked me how long I wanted the room for I said all night he said I could only have around 90minutes as they were busy, I said ok and asked if I could pay in US$ (I had ran out of lira’s). I gave him $40 and both sets of passports/id and he gave me change in lira’s taking the equivalent of 40mill TL. Then same routine with the bellboy and condom vender.

In the room I told the girl we could only have the room for 90 mins and I agreed to pay her $40 she said ok. We did the deed and I gave her a $20 tip she was ecstatic with the tip. Again, treat her nicely and YOU WILL FEEL THE DIFFERENCE. She then offered to spend the following daytime with me and stay at my hotel all night for $160. Because I had plans to meet local friends during daylight hours I said I could not but I would pick her up at the club that evening for an all nighter at my place.

We went downstairs collected the id’s she went into the disco I went outside, flagged one of the many cabs 4.30 am ‘ish and went to my hotel on the European side cost 10mill I think.

Some tips. All the girls I asked said no to coming to my place, with hindsight I think when they have slept with you one night they may be more willing to go with you the second night. Or perhaps it was because my hotel was one on the Euro side or one that they were not familiar with

CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT FOR ME ON THIS ?

One girl said to me that if they use a hotel other than Serenda for the deed the management of Serenda don’t let them work the disco again and for that reason they don’t like to go to the other hotels. Most live in other hotels close by and just work the Serenda disco. Also as these girls are illegal aliens or on holiday visas they don’t venture out of the Aksaray area much even in the daytime (to avoid the police) and often have not heard of any of the larger hotels on the Euro side or even the tourist attractions in the Old city and Euro side, Blue Mosque, Aya Sofia, Dolmabache Palace…etc !!!!

Also one Romanian girl I spoke to said that there is a stigma attached to giving blowjobs and for that reason they do not offer this readily. Of the three girls I had during my stay only one gave oral. One girl that did not do oral, on the second time that I went with her, asked me if I found a girl that did oral I said yes and she seemed shocked! and said that, that girl would be an outcast if the other girls found out that oral had been done. I made her agree to not say anything (as she knew who the second girl was as I bumped into her when taking that second girl upstairs). How bizarre, oral is not offered readily but anal and condomless sex is ???

Day 2. I was feeling more confident and braver about the Istanbul nightlife and wanted to try the Chicago2000 and the Bacardi Club. Grabbed a cab near Taksim Square, young skinny driver maybe 20 years old spoke very little English nodded when asked Chicago2000 Aksaray? Took me to the area and pointed up at some building I got out of the cab and looked up but could not she the place. I did not want to walk around looking lost so I flagged another cab and said Bacardi club, he nodded I said how much ? He then showed me 1 finger to mean 1mill. As soon as I got in, he turned around and showed me three fingers. I protested (not too strongly) and thought fuck it I’m not gonna argue over 2mill lira, less than pocket change < £1.00 !! Besides he was a big ‘n’ beefy chap.

Bacardi was very close. Small sign outside and staircase leading down to the club. Security frisked me, no entrance fee charged. Maybe he thought I was Turkish ?? I thought an entrance fee was charged ?? or perhaps I do not recall the previous postings here correctly.

Waiter showed me to a seat at the bar (time now around 12.00am) This place is much larger. 15-20 girls on the dance floor a couple of guys dancing amongst them to get a better look, a further 20-25 girls sitting drinking and single guys, pairs of guys.etc sitting drinking and looking around too.

I was wary of being ripped off because of previous postings here on the board, & asked the price of a coke. Waiter spoke little English and wrote the number twelve on a napkin. (Tip: Take a pen and piece of paper with you when hunting, useful also for communicating a price with the girls too. Can you count to a 100 in Turkish ? I can’t and neither can a lot of the girls.). He bought the coke and the standard plate of fruit...etc I pulled out 15mill (this time a had a pocket full 5’s and 10’s (in addition to the main store of cash and $’s safely in my wallet in my front pocket (was dressed the same as at Serenda - for those wanting to know about the dress code. Don’t wear a collar and tie…etc you will single yourself out, perhaps for higher prices. Ther were maybe 15-20 men inside and only 1 or 2 wearing a collar and tie.) He seemed annoyed, wondered off and came back with a bill. I gave him 15mill and gestured to keep the rest. As the place is bigger and dimly lighted I could not see the girls clearly. I tried to strike up a conversation with the waiter in a mix of English and Turkish. I learned that it is around $100-$200 for the girl for the night, I guess it depends on the girl you take a fancy to and how good looking or plain you maybe yourself and this rapport factor. He asked me if I wanted a girl and I said I wanted a better look at the girls before deciding, remember that some of the girls are seated and so until they get up and dance you can’t really see all the girls that are available for you that night.

99% of the girls in this place were all dressed in dresses (unlike Serenda) again all late teens early twenties and gorgeous. 99% Turkish guys in there, again I felt very comfortable, all the guys looking at the girls, nobody loud or drunk. Same rules as before. You don’t move seats once you’re given one (unless the waiter moves you) and you don’t talk to the girls off the floor unless I think the waiter brings her to you (at your request).

At this point a Turkish guy was shown to a chair next to me and after he got his drink etc he said something to me in Turkish, I said Ingilize? He said yes and we struck up a conversation. He had lived and worked in the UK and Germany. I asked him what the set up here is and if he had been here before. He said he came before but was worried out being ripped off so left with out a girl.

I ordered a second coke and when the coke arrived I pulled out 15mill and wanted to pay, the waiter wrote 5mill on the napkin and seemed a little annoyed. I think what they want is for you to pay the tab at the end when you leave with a girl (unlike Serenda where it is pay-as-you-drink.). This guy then asked in Turkish to the waiter if we could have seats closer to the floor, the waiter said that the place was busy and most seats taken, which I could see was correct. The waiter told him that we should not wait too long as all the best girls would be gone, this was true also.

We went over to the dance floor boogied for 5 minutes taking a closer look at the girls. 11 out of 10 for looks but did not speak to any of them.

My new friend said that he thinks the waiters act like a go between, you pick the girl He calls her, to sit next to you, you strike a deal, pay him 10mil (a guess) and your tab and take the girl.

We never found out because we never closed the deal. I told him that I went to Serenda the night before and he said he wanted me to take him there. I felt OK with this guy as we are both in the same profession and he knew too much technical stuff about the profession to be trying to con me. I was very glad to have someone with me that spoke fluent Turkish. We paid the bills and left.

(((The main reason why I had left was that I was thinking about the girl from the night before and wanted to take her to my place for an all-nighter. Better the devil you know I guess. She really was amazing in bed, on the floor, against the wall, in the shower…. etc use you imaginations. I felt OK in Bacardi club and on another visit there, would certainly close a deal. I did not get any feeling that I would be ripped at all, but I suspect if a rip-off did occur it most probably occur when the girl is seated with you, costly Champagne…etc.))) !!

We got outside took a right and after I think about 10 or 20 yards right again (on what I believe is Namik Kemel Caddesi, walked up the road and asked for directions. The two places are about a 1-minute walk apart. It was 100 yards further up Namik Kemel Cad down a road on the left hand side, perpendicular. From the bottom of the road I could see the blue and white Serenda sign.

We went in and the waiter I had tipped a few times the night before warmly greeted me with a handshake. He showed us to a good table with a decent view of the floor. We very nearly didn’t get in, the guy at the cash/till said they were full or the hotel was full up (Saturday night), but my new Turkish friend managed to persuade him and we got in (no more cash was paid for this), I think they were genuinely busy.

I explained to my new friend the set-up here, we had a drink together and he danced a bit and left with his chosen one. I did not see him again and sadly I did not get his email address, but I did tell him about the WSG. So if you are reading… HELLO !!!

I sat around looking for this girl that agreed to an all-nighter with me the previous evening but could not spot her. I went to the floor a while and then picked another girl (Moldavian) for an hour and went through the same routine at the front desk. This girl performed a BBBJ. But I asked her if “sucks” (which I gather is the term they use for a BJ), whilst on the dance floor to which she smiled and said she’ll decide when we are in the room. (I don’t think she would have said yes in front of the other girls dancing very close by)

PERHAPS THIS IS JUST MY OWN SMALL EXPERIENCE-CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS NO ORAL BUSINESS FOR ME?

CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WOULD IT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO PAY 40MILL FOR THE ROOM ONCE AND THEN USE IT A FEW TIMES WITH DIFERENT GIRLS MAKING TRIPS DOWN TO THE BAR ? OR DID I NEEDLESSLY PAY THE 40MILL TWICE ON MY FIRST EVENING THERE?

We had a pre-sex shower together (showering together is nice and a good way to ensure you don’t leave your wallet unattended with her - though she was harmless in that respect and I did not feel uncomfortable for 1 minute) and then some fantastic sex in many positions I did not think physically possible!! I think I tipped her 10-20mill I think, I can’t recall. I went down stairs collected the ID’s, she went back to the disco, and I grabbed a cab to my hotel.

Day 3: At around 6.00 pm I grabbed a cab and asked if he spoke English he shook his head. I said Club Nadide Nisantasi he shook his head. I said Nisantasi he said yes and I got in. When in Nisantasi he stopped got out and asked for directions to Nadide.

Small brown/gold hand painted/printed sign saying Nadide & Enjoy outside, went up small flight of steps and range the bell. A madam type woman answered the door. I smiled said Merhaba! and walked in and said Ingilize? And we started to talk. I guess this is the English speaking “*****” type person a previous posting talks about. I think the secret is to be relaxed smile and be polite.

I asked what girls where available and there were 5. They were all Turkish and not very good locking (perhaps because this was Sunday evening). The madam took me to side room where she quizzed me a little (I guess trying to decide if I am the “Polis”). She asked my name, which country I am from…etc to which I smiled and answered trying to put her at ease. She said that either I could pick the girl or if I told her what I was after she could advise on which girl would best suite my particular cravings. In the end I picked the one that I thought was best looking (without telling the madam what I wanted-with hindsight I guess I should have, I should not have been shy to say sex, bj, ….etc). Payment was made to this madame at this point, whom kept saying (rightly) that I would pay no more in the room.

Anyway was shown to a massage room and the girl entered, she gestured to a wardrobe and slippers and also to another room across the corridor and said “douce” (sp?) meaning shower and left. I got undressed and I walked into the shower. She then came and closed the door to the massage room and there was a key in the keyhole. She locked the massage room and handed me the key and walked back to the reception/waiting area. I had a shower and went back the massage room unlocking it myself. She came in, I got on the massage bench and she proceeded to massage me and as she did so we tried to talk, a bit of Turkish and a bit of English. After about ten minutes or so she gestured to me to turn over and massaged my legs (I had a towel still around my waist). After a while she pulled off the towel & pointed to my **** and nodded at me. I laughed and said Evet!, she performed a BBBJ but would not take off her clothes, only hitching up her skirt. She only let me feel her breasts, legs and arse. I asked for sex she said no. I didn’t really feel turned on (though the BBBJ was OK and but the hand job a bit harsh on my **** !) I gestured to her to stop after about 10 minutes and got off the bench and gestured that I was not going to climax. She left and I got dressed.

The madam then came back and asked what was wrong, I said the girl was fine but I was just not aroused enough. I finished getting dressed and headed to the reception/waiting area where the madam approached me again. She then said to me that I could have the mobile phone number of the girl if I wanted. I said that this was my penultimate day in Istanbul and I declined the offer of the number and left. Had I been in town for a few more days I would have visited again at a more busy time or taken the girls number.

I walked back to my hotel, having a good look at Nisantasi. It is one of the better areas of Istanbul I think with lots of familiar Western European shops and Banks, even a Marks & Spencer’s of things!!

This being my last evening to go to Serenda, I thought this time I would go early. That night I got there at about 11.00pm. The entry fee written on the wall was 13mill this time, the Sunday rate? And also an all-nighter is till about 4 or 5 am what ever time you start. So for it to be worthwhile you will need to be in the hotel room with your girl as early as possible.

I was looking for the girl that offered to stay at my hotel but I could not spot here. After an hour or so I picked the Romanian girl from my first night and paid her $100 at the start plus $20 tip at the end for the night till 4.30 am. I paid a further 1mill lira at the front desk when collecting the passports for the phone calls she made whilst in the room to her so boyfriend…hmmm!. The room was still 40mill that night. This was the girl I saw twice, she was really beautiful. On this occasion we did nothing but talk, I was content just to look at her and touch her face.

TO MARIO: Sir, I know exactly what you mean about falling in Love. So warm, gentle, fragile, beautiful and kind. No less flesh and blood than you or I and certainly no less with feeling or emotion or hopes and dreams than you or I my friends. In another time and place I would have fallen head-over-heels and spent a lifetime chasing, wooing and romancing her. She is still swimming around in my mind.

I wish I had followed the advice not to see a girl twice.

I hate the f***ing pimps. Does that now make me a hypocrite? One exploiter’s distain for another? I wonder, who is worse the Punter or the Pimp.



On that night I noticed that all the girls where trying to catch my eye. Perhaps they had noticed that I had been there on three consecutive nights and had money to spend or perhaps the girls talk amongst themselves as to which guy pays how much and tips how much, what currency he uses and how he treats the girls or maybe simply because there weren’t so many guys in there on Sunday night. Who knows! Who cares!

Also my waiter friend from previous nights greeted me warmly again and showed me to a good table. I kept up the tips. On that night I developed quite a conversation with him. He told me about the places, towns, resorts he had worked and I told him a little bit about myself. If I visit Istanbul again and I go there I will ask for him by name. With hindsight what I should have done was quizzed him about similar establishments in the area-sadly I did not do this.

CAN ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT THIS - PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY? VARIETY REALLY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE !!

Day 4:

My flight-out was in the late afternoon and I only had one thing left that I wanted to do. That was to see a genuine Turkish Brothel, Genelev. My hotel was about a 10-15 minute walk from the place. I know that postings here say they are disgusting but I just wanted to eyeball the place for myself.

Anyway I found the place in Zurafa Street (close to a Synagogue near the Galata Tower & Galata Bridge). One Turk walked in before me having flashed his id. I walked in next, speaking English; I said could I go in. The policeman at the gate said in broken English “Turk only” and he looked around nervously, there were a few Turkish guys queuing behind me. Needless to say I did not argue with him and I walked off. I think had there not been people behind me he may have asked me for a fee/tip and let me in, who knows.

Early afternoon checked out of hotel and went to the airport and back home………….

Prior to my trip, I was also planning to take in the Demirkoy Hotel on one night. I liked the idea of the Moroccan girls, but the last few postings about that on the board left me a little confused about its exact location and whether or not it is still a happening place and given that it’s quite a long way out to the airport (and to return having made a fruitless journey), I did not bother to go there.

In addition I would have tried the services of the Madam that was discussed in postings earlier had I managed to obtain the number. Hint Hint !

I may visit again at the end of September 2002 again for 3 or 4 days but will almost certainly have local female Turkish company, again. If I can get away in the evenings by myself , I will check things out again.

My email is wsg_1000@yahoo.co.uk

If anybody wants to ask any specific questions, though after the length of this posting, I suspect that I will not be asked many questions…just email me.

By the way during the daytime I was shown around the city by a couple of female Turkish friends I have that live in Istanbul, (needless to say they where not aware of my nocturnal activities). A truly beautiful city full of so much history, I loved it.

Turkish women are really very beautiful. If I had more time I would have spent time in the evenings in regular bars to meet regular girls.