Istanbul

[Priamos]

My dear friend.
It’s always pleasure to read the interesting comments of foreigners about Istanbul scene and their precious opinions about Turkey.

Yes, it is isn't it? I live in Paris, and the comments on this forum are dripping with scorn: Paris is too expensive (studio girls at 200 euros per hour and escort girls at 250-300 per hour); the street scene is really trashy; "bars americains" are a total ripoff. (I don't agree with all of the previous value judgments, but with most of them.) But, hey, this is a forum for exchanging views and impressions! You will never see me jump up and down asking "why do foreigners think we care about their opinions?" and you'll never see me exclaim "if you don't like it just stay the f**k away!" (did you get that, Sporadic?), because it defies the object. Kindly feel free to criticise Paris, where I live, and Copenhagen, where I'm born. But, by the same token, kindly allow me to criticise YOUR town without behaving like petulant children.

I have never been to Dubai (where all western people show their hypocritical faces. So called democracy lovers prefer not to see the slavery-women trafficking and anti democratic regime) and Far East Asia (where western child molesters look for young boys and girls).

Oh, but that's touching! I'm so please to learn that you're a champion of human rights. And I'm of course convinced you'd rather cut off your right arm than associating with sexual traffickers.

As I mentioned hundreds times, quality of the service and her beauty set off the price. I don’t pay 300 Euro to those “so called” agency girls but I pay $200 for all night to an independent girl whom never worked in Aksaray and that doesn’t bother me.

I totally agree. It wouldn't bother me either. On the contrary I'd be very, very pleased to spend a night with an independent girl - or any good looking girl - for 200 dollars. But, BigBro you're twisting and turning the truth: Now that you want to pan me for claiming Istanbul is rather expensive then, hey, it's so easy in IST to have a girl all night for what must be described as Minsk prices. However, only two days ago you berated another poster (HEY, ANYONE: Look a bit further down on this thread) for being a cheapskate, telling him he should be prepared to pay exactly the same money for 2 hours. If you want to bark at people, at least please be consistent.

I am sick of hearing Istanbul is an expensive city and women in town don’t deserve these rates.

You are sick? Well, TOUGH BANANA! This discussion (and several before it) started not because I think Istanbul is generally and necessarily too expensive, but because I think you're not being absolutely truthful in your communications. You often try to convince people that mongering in IST is more expensive than, in my own experience, it actually is. I shall repeat this viewpoint as often as I care. One doesn't have to pay 200 dollars for a short-time with a good-looking CIS girl in Istanbul. If any monger on this forum were bamboozled to ask a fellow poster to recommend them a girl charging this price then I'd say... the more fool he. If, on the other hand, you can connect people with girls working for 200 per night, THEN I think we all have reasons to be grateful.

If you don’t want to pay than continue to play with your joystick.

I wouldn't dream of it. I put my money where my mouse is... ;-)

[Sporadic]

Oho, but I HAVE tried the Gulf. In Dubai - a nouveau riche place, crawling will well-paid expats - I normally pay around 100 euros for a couple of hours and 200 euros all night. This discussion started because BigBro intimated that, basically, one is a cheapskate if one is not willing to pay twice that.

What I perceived was a slight on Istanbul. I could be wrong, but that is the vibe I picked up. I found it offensive.

I like Istanbul, Turkey and the Turks. I do not find it expensive compared to other destinations. Istanbul has quite a bit to offer, reasonable hotel rates, good restaurants, great shopping and sightseeing, and probably one of the most friendly, open attitudes you can find.

I do not monger in a traditional sense in IST, but do visit two or three times a year with my CIS girlfriend for a week of fun and tourism.

As BBAJ pointed out, you can find women, in Istanbul, or anywhere for that matter at many different price points, it is up to you and what you want.

My advice is, that if you don´t like it, don´t go there. I will be smiling either way.

[Jannn]

Oho, but I HAVE tried the Gulf. In Dubai - a nouveau riche place, crawling will well-paid expats - I normally pay around 100 euros for a couple of hours and 200 euros all night. This discussion started because BigBro intimated that, basically, one is a cheapskate if one is not willing to pay twice that.

Dear Priamos,

I'll visit Dubai next week, can you give me hints about the town and WG's bars , their forum is not supportive and they give wrong info to the beginners and visitors.

[Big Bro AJ]

Priamos

My dear friend.

It’s always pleasure to read the interesting comments of foreigners about Istanbul scene and their precious opinions about Turkey.

I have never been to Dubai (where all western people show their hypocritical faces. So called democracy lovers prefer not to see the slavery-women trafficking and anti democratic regime) and Far East Asia (where western child molesters look for young boys and girls).

But, I lived and mongered in States, and mongered in some of the EU states and Russia. Therefore, I am aware of the general market prices and what are possible in different cities.

It is a fact that in a way Turkey is a conservative country. Sex before marriage is a taboo and the families hardly accepted. On the other hand, men want their wife virgin but as experienced as a WG. This is a dilemma that most of the Turks live.

Turkey has a young population. Economic and social factors affect mongers life and expectations. Most of the men want cheap sex. They don’t care hygiene, motions, SD and etc. It’s that simple.

On the other hand, there are some men (like me) who are after enjoyable moments. They don’t want plain sex, skin and mind connection is also important for them.

Istanbul is an open city. There is huge collection of women in sex business. Africans, Turks, Russians and CIS citizens, Asians….Additionally TVs and TSs.

There are many factors trigger the prices. There are Turkish women do sex for 50 YTL, there are Turkish women do sex not less than 500 YTL. Likewise, prices for EE women are in range of $75-300. There are always hidden expenses and commissions.

Even those WGs in Zurich and elsewhere pay somebody to stay there and work. If you are interested in street action than no need to discuss anymore. You may easily find cheaper options in Beyazıt, Aksaray, Taksim, Tarlabası, Harbiye, Topkapı, Bakırkoy, Suadiye and else…

As I mentioned hundreds times, quality of the service and her beauty set off the price. I don’t pay 300 Euro to those “so called” agency girls but I pay $200 for all night to an independent girl whom never worked in Aksaray and that doesn’t bother me.

WTF…Nobody force any one to spend those figures. I am sick of hearing Istanbul is an expensive city and women in town don’t deserve these rates. Than don’t monger in Istanbul,
GO some where else.

Have you ever been to London, NY or Moscow? The prices are much higher than Istanbul. Accepted or not Istanbul is a sort of World city and these are the rates. If you don’t want to pay than continue to play with your joystick.

[Priamos]

Try the Gulf, this is the normal way of doing business, actually it is much more exploitative. This must have been the half of the Muslim world you missed.

Oho, but I HAVE tried the Gulf. In Dubai - a nouveau riche place, crawling will well-paid expats - I normally pay around 100 euros for a couple of hours and 200 euros all night. This discussion started because BigBro intimated that, basically, one is a cheapskate if one is not willing to pay twice that.

[Sporadic]

To work in Istanbul - or so she said - you have to pay people to get you into the country, the local pimps, the club you work in and often other kinds of "krysha " as well. If this is true then... well, I neither find this normal nor in order.

Try the Gulf, this is the normal way of doing business, actually it is much more exploitative. This must have been the half of the Muslim world you missed.

[Priamos]

Many decent bars/night clubs don't even admit guys without a female company, due to their aggressive and annoying behavior towards women inside.

True, perfectly true. In my greener and poorer youth I stayed once in Hotel Zurich in Laleli. They have a quite nice discoteque in their basement. I was flabbergasted when I tried to get in only to be told, sorry, not without a female companion. I mean... if I'd come in from the street I could perhaps have understood it but it's the only time in my life - and I've been to half the countries in the Muslim world - that I've been denied access to the nightclub of the hotel IN WHICH I STAY.

If you noticed 95% of the sex workers in Turkey are from other countries. In Bulgaria or Romania you will mostly find local girls for no more than $100.

Yeah, but you miss one important point: why are foreign providers cheaper in countries like Belgium, Germany and - even - Switzerland? For example, half the working girls in Brussels these days are from Bulgaria and Romania, and they charge less than the Romanians/Moldovans/Kazakhs of Istanbul. I discussed this issue once with a Ukrainian provider I met in Big Pub - a well educated woman with an intelligent outlook - and she assured me that prices are high in Istanbul because so many "middlemen" are taking a cut. In Germany, say, you can come on your own volition and work in a FKK club, having to pay only the regular percentage of your earnings to the club owners. To work in Istanbul - or so she said - you have to pay people to get you into the country, the local pimps, the club you work in and often other kinds of "krysha " as well. If this is true then... well, I neither find this normal nor in order.

[Tony Gables]

The problem is rather, why should Istanbul be significantly more expensive than Greece and virtually all of the Balkans?

BigBro, you remind me a bit of a discussion I had many years ago with a particularly chauvinistic Russian lady. (No, not a working girl: the sister in law of a friend of mine.) I was quietly musing that hotels in Moscow now were more expensive than in London and Paris. She immediately fired up: "And why should Russia be cheaper!?" Well, I retorted, because an average salary in Russia is one sixth of the levels of Britain and France, and the property prices are also much lower (well, they were then!), so someone must be scoring an inordinate profit. This thought seemed to please her: "So, foreigners want to come here? They pay extra to real Russian people. That's the way it should be!" End of discussion.

Turkey is, still, a rather cheap country. So, you'd expect prices on "basic service" that are massively beneath Paris and London levels. And that is what you get if you go to, say, Sofia or Bucharest. But not, apparently, Istanbul. And you, BigBro, seem to find this normal? Or derive pleasure from it?

In Turkey everything except the basic commodities is considered luxury, and there are ridiculous amounts of taxes on a lot of goods. For instance, the most expensive gas in the whole world is sold in Turkey. Similarly car prices can double or triple the prices in western countries. The MSRP value for BMW 3.35i Sedan is 38,900 USD in the United States and 140,400 USD in Turkey. No need to remind that the GDP per capita is 6-7 times less than that of US and other developed countries. This is all thanks to our brainless politicians' (and half of the population consisting of sheeps that elect them) efforts to reduce the huge gap in the income inequality.

Considering these facts one should not be surprised that the prices for sex are much higher than Bulgaria or Romania, which seem to be in the same economical level as Turkey.

Also Turkish society is very conservative in most aspects including sexuality.
Even in big cities there are still a lot of women that don't have sex before marriage and extramarital sex is considered a bad thing my many people. Most of the young male population is frustrated due to the limited access to sex. Many decent bars/night clubs don't even admit guys without a female company, due to their aggressive and annoying behavior towards women inside.

If you noticed 95% of the sex workers in Turkey are from other countries. In Bulgaria or Romania you will mostly find local girls for no more than $100. Even free one night stands are more likely to happen in these countries because of the open-minded nature of the population.

Less supply means more demand and higher prices, hence the situation in Turkey. There's a businessman I know who paid $20,000 for a Moldovan girl for a week, who would otherwise be his slave for a pair of shoes back in her country.

[Yusa Sen]

I bored to try escort sites, fake pictures and half ton womans.

I have a pezevenk (Mamasan). Price is 200-250 ytl overnight.

But the girls ara avarage. I am looking for a girl reals exy and serve CIM.

If you know anyne like his. We can change our contacts.

Regards

[Esperando]

Dear Friends,

Please allow me some words.

Pussy is a commodity and as such is driven by market forces, in Turkey pussy is expansive just because the demand is much bigger than teh supply, whereas in Russia is cheaper because supply i.e. women are more than demand.

Nothing to do with GDP, nor with being poor, nor with being rich.

With Best Regards

The problem is rather, why should Istanbul be significantly more expensive than Greece and virtually all of the Balkans?

BigBro, you remind me a bit of a discussion I had many years ago with a particularly chauvinistic Russian lady. (No, not a working girl: the sister in law of a friend of mine.) I was quietly musing that hotels in Moscow now were more expensive than in London and Paris. She immediately fired up: "And why should Russia be cheaper!?" Well, I retorted, because an average salary in Russia is one sixth of the levels of Britain and France, and the property prices are also much lower (well, they were then!), so someone must be scoring an inordinate profit. This thought seemed to please her: "So, foreigners want to come here? They pay extra to real Russian people. That's the way it should be!" End of discussion.

Turkey is, still, a rather cheap country. So, you'd expect prices on "basic service" that are massively beneath Paris and London levels. And that is what you get if you go to, say, Sofia or Bucharest. But not, apparently, Istanbul. And you, BigBro, seem to find this normal? Or derive pleasure from it?

[Primeclient]

So I propose to interested people of this forum to unite our forces, following major report sites, we can lobby collectively to invite well known girls from well known reliable agencies.

Frankly I think the only real site that provides tours to Istanbul is http://www.vodkaescort.com. I have not tried the place so I can not confirm definetely but seems to me that the girls change one after another and they indicate the available times. The pictures are not that perfect to be unreal and so. You know if you have some experience in this business you develop a sort of hunch that you can tell or at least guess if some offer is fake or genuine. I think this is genuine and I am thinking about trying it. There was another girl in Istanbul end of last month, She is gone and now a new one. All the other istanbul escorts, vipmodels and shit is bogus.

[Primeclient]

Does €250 include the cost of the room? Or did you pay extra to the hotel too?

I did not pay anything to the room. The girl already stays there.

[Priamos]

I wonder which galaxy some friends live? ıf you monger in EU, 250Euro is what you suppose to pay. So it is nonsense to make arguments on Istanbul prices whether the scene or the girls worth it or not.

Who do hell are you to judge my city. Prices depand on girls beuaty and the quality of her services. The prices various from $100-300 for 2 hours. Plus hidden expenses.

The problem is rather, why should Istanbul be significantly more expensive than Greece and virtually all of the Balkans?

BigBro, you remind me a bit of a discussion I had many years ago with a particularly chauvinistic Russian lady. (No, not a working girl: the sister in law of a friend of mine.) I was quietly musing that hotels in Moscow now were more expensive than in London and Paris. She immediately fired up: "And why should Russia be cheaper!?" Well, I retorted, because an average salary in Russia is one sixth of the levels of Britain and France, and the property prices are also much lower (well, they were then!), so someone must be scoring an inordinate profit. This thought seemed to please her: "So, foreigners want to come here? They pay extra to real Russian people. That's the way it should be!" End of discussion.

Turkey is, still, a rather cheap country. So, you'd expect prices on "basic service" that are massively beneath Paris and London levels. And that is what you get if you go to, say, Sofia or Bucharest. But not, apparently, Istanbul. And you, BigBro, seem to find this normal? Or derive pleasure from it?

[Big Bro AJ]

I wonder which galaxy some friends live? ıf you monger in EU, 250Euro is what you suppose to pay. So it is nonsense to make arguments on Istanbul prices whether the scene or the girls worth it or not.

Who do hell are you to judge my city. Prices depand on girls beuaty and the quality of her services. The prices various from $100-300 for 2 hours. Plus hidden expenses.

It is easy to talk for a stranger. He sits in his room, get in touch with couple of girls, he even tries to negotiate the price. Girls acompanies him at his room and still talking about the prices and else. WTF

This is it, whether you accept it or continue to play with your joystick.


If you pick a girl from Aksaray scene, you have to book a room in a hotel. You already arranged before hand or she will direct you to the one she knows.

If you meet a visiting escort, you have two options. 1-She does incall so you go to her hotel room. 2-She does only outcalls to hotels, than you have to arrange a hotel room and meet the girl.

If you meet an independent girl or a mamushka girl, than you have to arrange the place. Cause none of them does incall. And again you have to pay the hotel.


Comparing Greek scene with Istanbul scene is an insult. Those boy lovers only get the garbage. Istanbul is one of the important cities in women trafficking. This is nothing to proud of but Turkey most of the time gets the "cook portions" the best possible girls.

[Vallah]

Well, I really do not know how much I will be supported as the budget of Turkish scene is pretty low. But here is my motivation and idea for those who are interested.

As some of you know in 250 euro for an hour range there are lots of escort tours around europe. These tours firstly started in France and Italy then it spread to a wider area. Even Greece benefits from this although still collecting garbages of Europe. But the situation here in Istanbul is even worse, most escort ads related to Turkey are scams and those are not fake are garbages of Greece.

So I propose to interested people of this forum to unite our forces, following major report sites, we can lobby collectively to invite well known girls from well known reliable agencies.

This sounds a little too ambitious. I think this what they call in logic/philosophy/economics a collective action problem, that is----

A situation in which everyone (in a given group) has a choice between two alternatives and where, if everyone involved chooses the alternative act that is Individualistically Rational (IR), the outcome will be worse for everyone involved, in their own estimation, than it would be if they were all to choose the other alternative (I. E. , than it would be if they were all to choose the alternative that is not IR).

In a Collective Action Problem:

(1) Consider only the outcomes in which everyone does the same thing;

(2) Define Cooperation as the alternative that would produce the best outcome (in everyone's estimation) from among the outcomes in which everyone does the same thing;

(3) Choose to Cooperate, if you have reason to believe that enough others (e. G. , most others) are also willing to Cooperate.

FREERIDING. In a Collective Action Problem in which most agents choose to Cooperate, Defectors are referred to as FREERIDERS, because they benefit from the Cooperation of others, but are unwilling to reciprocate Cooperation

I think in this instance I'll try to freeride on your efforts.