Istanbul

[John Randal]

VEGAMARS :

You have so much experience with EE girls all around Europe, especially Eastern Block.

Forgive me for asking, are you from a country which speaks Russian ? Do you speak Russian (I guess you do) ?

I always thought you were an eastern block country origin gentleman living temporarily in Turkey for business.

Of course, it is none of my business, just asked because of curiousity.

Thnaks so much about your contributions to my humble phýone nmubers database, which is growing day by day. I hope I will have the time to try out all these ladies.

As one of our great poets, Neyzen Tevfik says :

"First comes the mother, then the sister. You may f*ck the rest, Mister"

(Translated from original Turkish verse. does not givethe same exact meanning I konw. But I'll give the Turkish original for Turkish friends here. They may enjoy it more if they hear : )

"Ana bir, bacý iki, gerisine çal siki" - Neyzen Tevfik

[Vegamars]

It's always a good idea to detest from two or more girls simultameously to save up money and to take the maximum benefit out of action.

Here's my update of a small list:

Elena 05373943429 Romanian,slim,black hair

Julia 0535 2145573 Ukrainian

Kristina 05367290283 Moldovan blonde

Mirela 0535 9783130 Romanian,slim,black hair

Nikoletta 0555 2766200 Romanian blonde

Viktoria 0537 4060038 Ukrainian blonde

[John Randal]

Report : 17 September, 2004

In the afternoon, I had the itch again and decided to call my favourite blonde, the Mom.

To my f*cking bad luck, she was having her period.

I then began to check out each and every number from Cachondito's list given in the General info section of Turkey topic in this forum.

For those of you who did not check it, here are some updates on that :

Most numbers do not answer. The names are mostly Turkish wh*res.

ANNA and CAROLINE's numbers are the same. The right name should be Caroline. The girl seems to be of high class, by hearing her talk. She was on her way to Antalya. I think she was invited for the weekend. She told me she would be back Monday.

The number of AYÇA-DENIZ duo is cancelled by operator. No use.

Same for AYDAN, AYLIN and the two other DENIZ's. The only working DENIZ is the one that I had yesterday. If you are so desperate for pussy, after reading this, you can PM me for her cell phone. Just scrath all numbers belonging to DENIZ's in the list.

BUKET is not working, or not interested. She is too much picky about how and where I got the number. I talked to her quite long onthe phone, answerng her questions like what do I do, where I work, how old I am, etc., to persuade her. But she was still not satisfied and hung up.

AYSU and CEYDA are working, 200 million for 2 hours. That's out of my budget. But they invite you to their places, so you do not have to pay for the hotel. I may call them later when I have the house empty, because they live very near to my house.

LUIZA, recommended by Till Dawn never answers. I wiped her name out, since I have been calling her for more than a month and I always got the answering service at the other end.

KRISTINA, recommended by Vegamars, still not answering.

SVETA's (by BunnyHopper) number is also cancelled by operator.

SENNUR's number is wrong, it should begin with 0535 instead of 0532, because there is no such number registered at 0532 service. Anyway, she did not answer.

I did not check out the rest of the w*ores after half of the list, Since I (unfortunately) found my pick of the day at the letter "D". It was DENIZ, whom I called and talked, but did not f*ck earlier.

I called this girl a month ago, when there were no other alternatives to call. I never did a Turkish hooker since I was 18, and that was in a brothel. Experiences that I prefer to forget. Anyway, I talked to her for a minute, heard her b*tch talk, and just skipped her. Afterwards, she sent me 20-30 messages asking me to call. She must have been desperate for f*ck money. But this time (yesterday) I was desperate for pussy.

In order to make sure, I also called DIANA, recommended by Bog98 and reserved her at the same time. I wish I went to her at first place.

I met Deniz at Cakmak Hotel (one of the lower quality girl-friendly hotels in Aksaray). She told me she hangs out with her friends at Cakmak Hotel and told me to wait at the lobby. The hotel is cheaper than other hotels, only 35 mill for a room. But the rooms are smaller, have no A/C or minibar, the bathroom is no good. It is at most half the quality of Orange Hotel.

She came along with a short, kinda chubby, fake blonde Turkish friend of hers. Deniz was fair good. with blue eyelenses over her brown eyes, she looked like a cheap wh*re to me, whereas, her body was not that bad at all. The other one looked good at first sight, reminded me of a Romanian, rather than a Turk. Her eyes were yellow (Yeah, YELLOW, I know what I say. The nearest alternative description would be baby shit brown). Anyway, I have a thing for blondes, and they both started talking about making "threesome group" from the first minute, so I offered them a 50 million TL each for having each of them one hour in turn. But I would have them but separately, not group. I just doubted that they would use the opportunity to serve less, if we did it "group" wise. Maybe I kind of pitied the girls and wanted both to make some money. They told me they both had babies and Deniz was 26, Yesim (the fake blonde) was 22. They live at the Anatolian side of Istanbul and come to Aksaray for work.

We went up with Deniz first. Her body was O.K., wih no extra weights anywhere, no saggy parts, etc. But, something was missing, compared to EE girls I had. I realized later that, it was "warmth and sincerity". I tried to chat, to make the atmosphere warmer. She liked chatting as well; but no hope, man. She was sitting there beside me, all naked and I was tying to postpone the job, just with the effort of creating a warmer mood. I did not have to do this with an EE girl before. In fact, they were the ones who warmed it up.

I tried to shoot some pics with my cell phone, which she strongly objected.

Anyway, we started necking for a while, she kissed only once or twice, then turned her head sideways everytime I tried to kiss her. That's a f*cking wh*re cliche ! She stroked and patted my willy and had it up. But all the thing was going down the hill, as if I was with a brothel w*ore. I went DATY, she pulled me on her at halftime and said that is enough. And that she even did not let anybody else do that to her so long before, etc. etc. She did not say it explicitly, but she was doing everyting to make me cum as soon as possible, so that she could get her sorry a*s out of here quick.

She started a fake moaning when I first kissed and bit a little of her tits. Oh boy, who does she think she is playing with? I told her to cut the crap and stop that noise if she really is not getting any pleasure. I told her she does not have to "aah-ah" all the time and I was not that kind of man who would be impressed by that. On the contrary, that was repulsive ! Having heard that, she moaned higher, thinking that it was the volume of moaning that I did not like ! THAT IS a real brothel wh*re, also dumb ! Only thing she lacked there, was a big chewing gum in her mouth, so that she could inflate and splat occasionally.

Anyway, I decided to finish with her and go on to the fake blonde, hoping she would be better. I screwed DENIZ missionary, turned her over-doggy, and spurted out when she was riding me cowgirl.

To my surprise, she held my hand and pulled me into the bahroom with her to soap, rub and wash me all over with her own hands, just like a Thai hooker. That was the nicest part of being with her. You may understand her performance (!) in bed from that.

She told Yesým to come up and she left the room. And, Yesim was WORSE ! How could it be worse than that, don't ask; but she was. Deniz was like a GF compared to Yesim.

She did not like chatting, she wanted me to start immediately. When I said we should communicate first, she just sat down and stared at me, without saying a word, waiting it to be over, as I talked to her to make the atmosphere warmer. I wanted to massage her with the creme I brought with me. But I even did not dare to ask her that, because she stopped me everytime I wanted to touch her pussy or kiss her. She was also turning her head sidweways when I reached out for the lips. She said she did not like being fingered at the pussy, she did not like DATY, she did not like this, she did not like that, etc...

She sat on me straight after talk, with a dry pusssy, getting wetter as I pumped. This was the second run of mine, so I did not want to come in a minute. After I pumped her for 1-2 minutes. She asked me how old I was. When I said 45, she told me without any shame "You are holding yourself too good, man". Her eyes were teling "Oh, that is why you cannot come". This b*tch was dumber than Deniz. Damn, she had no idea that I would splat her fat ass to the wall with the spurting pressure of my cum, if she knew her job and acted right.

I just smiled at her dumb face, still straing at me with empty eyes, and turned her over. Pumped her for 5 more minutes, slapping her buttocks red. She was puffing with impatience, but not saying a word, since I told her that I would tip her if I liked her attitude. A stinky smell came out of her c*nt after I pulled out of her, and that dismissed away the last hope of me coming. I told her to bring me by a Hand Job, supported by BJ. She happily accepted, after asking me "will you come if I do that?" I said I surely would.

I went to bathroom and washed my willy for her to suck. She did not put that in her mouth at all. She started a fast HJ with prompt movements. No man, my d*ck was getting smaller as I saw the expresion on her face and the stinky smell of sweat coming out of her body. I told her to stop and leave. She left the room without washing, even her pussy.


She was thinking that I did not come because I was an old man, when she left the room. The dumb b*tch expects all her customers to be a school boy doing it the first time and drop his load at the first touch of the hooker.

This experince supported my opininon about doing it with Turkish wh*res. It was a complete loss of time and money. The hotel charged me a double room charge because 2 girls came up in turn. Plus a double whisky for me and 2 softdrinks for the women. Total damage : 200 million ( All I had was only one quick shot with Deniz).

I felt that Deniz would give me much better experience if I had her alone and gave her a $50 or 60. She explicitly told that on the phone later, when I called her one hour later and threw up my criticism about their performance. I will not call these girls again and, scratched the last DENIZ's name from my book as well. NO DENIZ's are left in the list.

So long for now, boys.

[John Randal]

BIG BRO :

This forum has a whole section about Viagra. You can find it under the heading of Special Interests in the main Index. I am sure you will fid much more info there. check it out.

If you are too tired to check that section out, here are some humble advices for you from me :

If you're gonna use Viagra, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT take it with alcohol. It gives terrible headache. The Timing of headache will vary, in accordance with your body condition and type of drink you'll have. So, YOU MUST be sober.

If you will screw more than once (and that IS the case, isn't it?), you may burn the rubber, pumping a*s at the second run. The second will last so long, the lady may tell you that her c*nt is on fire because of friction, so do not forget to make sure she's wet and slippery enough for a long lasting piston action.

If you're not going for an all-night or more than 2-3 hours action, I do not recommend you to take a 100 mg Viagra. Otherwise, you will wander around with a red, swollen and aching d*ck after you have sent the lady away. 50 mg is quite allright if you will f*ck 2-3 hours.

Do not forget to take it half an hour before action. It will show its effect only after you digest it !

Remember, your d*ck will not go up WITHOUT stimulation. It won't stand up by itself with no reason. But, a minimum amount of stimulation will be enough.

You may also try generic Viagra like pills like Vigrande, produced by Eczacýbasi. I tried, it is quite effective and cheaper than Viagra of Pfizer. BUT you must buy the pills from a pharmacy. ALL pills at Tahtakale are fake. Take my word.

[Cara]

All I read is about AKsaray and Laleli adventures, has anyone have any idea about the return on investments on the Asian side of town. Try Fenerbahçe where there is a marina and the teagardens next to it, between 13:00-19:30 during weekdays a bunch of higher caiber streetwakers opt to make you feel as if you have accopmplished a real pick-up, not forgetting to feed your ego.

[Big Bro AJ]

What is the proper way to use the Viagra?

[Vegamars]

Just a little notice: 400 bucks is the outgoing rate for 24hrs for real models all over EE.

[Vegamars]

Is the situation any different in any other country??

It doesn't necessarily mean you've gotto spend a fortune to reach top quality.

It's just the part of the game and it all depends on how wise you are in taking advantage of the endless opportunities.

[Local Expert]

Gentlemen, allow me to add my two cents as well.

From a friend's expirience I can say that it seems to be quite normal for "top-lookers" in Istanbul to exchange pussy for life standard.

What happens in many cases within the rich society is, a guy meets a superchick in one of these top-end bars/discos (where the beer is 50 USD) chatts her up, dates her for a couple of days and then has her move into his own house (or into one of his empty flats in case he is married). Within a very short while (we are talking a week here), he has her a credit card issued, pays all her expenses and bills. In return, he gets a good shag. The chick goes shopping during the daytime and serves his physical and social needs when he comes back from work. After about two months, she is supposed to move out and be replaced by fresh meat.

A foreign friend of mine with access to Istanbul's "Top 10.000" has received several offers like that during his 3-year stay in Istanbul.

Now why is the situation like that ?

Generally speaking, a photo- or catwalk model in Turkey gets paid famine wages during national fashion events. On the other hand, it is difficult for them to find a normal job, as the bosses either wanna screw them for free or are afraid that the rest of the company won't be able to work properly with such a stunning colleague in the middle or because they just lack the necessary amount of education.

Dont think that all these superchicks are from "good" istanbulian families ! Most of them are from all over Turkey and usually come from a poorer background.

So, some of them say to themselves: "Why should I take a "normal" job and work for 300 Euro a month or work as a prostitute for 2.000 Euros a month (with all the social, psychological and health problems I have to pay for after), if I can become a temporary girlfriend of a superrich guy and live like God in France ?

For the guy, it is cool too. He usually has it, or lives off his stinking rich father's dosh and does not have to care for anything, as he works in Daddy's company and will inherit millions of dollars later on. He is usually unhappily married, as still marriages are still arranged in Turkey (also/especially among the "Top 10.000"). So, where is the problem ?

It is a satisfactory solution for both sides and she may even get married to one of these guys later on.

These chicks sometimes do not even have a place to stay but live at another lady-friend's flat during their "exile from France". In these times they hook a bit, but then for 600 USD the hour.

[Big Bro AJ]

BOYS-BOYS forget it.

I really don't care how much money I spend for sex as long as I enjoy it and worth for my company. In last 4 years I spent hundreds and hundreds of $ for strippers,escorts and tantra practisioners in Houston and New Orleans (even at moment I had a girlfriend). Therefore ýstanbul for the prices heaven in earth but clubs and services(professinal) still OK.

If I have a chance to make love with a Turkish model I really don't know wheter I pay that much or not. I think it depends on my mood. Pussy is pussy.One way or another we all looking for pussy. Last November my friends and I spent $4000 for my birthday party at the VIP section of Scarlett Cabaret in New Orleans. I made love with porn star Niki Wild(she got $1500 for 2 hours).

If you are looking for quality pussy in Houston,Dallas,New Orleans,NY and Las vegas, let me know, I still have good relationships.

I am planning to organize a pleasure/sin tour to Moscow in next couple of weekends. Therefore I went travel agency to arrange everything. I will get my plane tickets(round tour), visa and registration only for $350. Opposite of the Russian embasssy I saw this revu club "china" or something like that. I missed strip clubs(booze-boobs-cigars-naked babes all around you, good old days) Anyway has anyone know show/revu bars or clubs in Istanbul. Once I went to "playboy" at Elmadag, but that was 6 or 7 years ago.

[Nose Dick]

Another $600 incident.

As I said in my earlier posting I was going to have a second round of careless money spending spree. Here's the result.

Set-up: A friend of mine was visiting from out of town and we decided to go duo with him. I created an excuse to dine man-to-man with my friend. He has arranged the hotel (old Hilton) and the girls from his pimp. We got two rooms with a door in the middle. So that we can chat among ourselves at the beginning and go to our separate rooms for the action. While waiting for the girls we ordered room service: Some ice, some munchies, and some alcohol. Funnily enough Hilton did not have whisky in the minibar.

Girls: Door rung. It was the pimp and one of the girls (the one I was going to be with). She was stunnigly beautiful: Black long hair, baby-like face, a body to die for. She was wearing jeans, a fashionable pair of shoes, and a black t-shirt. The other lady was to award her presence at a later stage. Four of us started to chat, we offered some drinks to them etc. Half an hour later, the other lady came. What a shock. She was even more attractive than the first one. She was a blonde (I forgot to ask my friend whether she was real blonde or not). Picture her like one of these beauties at Laila and Reina. No one could suspect she would be a prostitute.

Foreplay: Upon the arrival of the second one, pimp has left (he was securing safe arrival and introduction of her). We went to balcony. I smoked a cigar and chatted four of us. Not suprisingly they were both from Izmir, aged 24. While in the balcony my to-be-GF had shivers. It was a good time to get close. I took her inside and wrapped her. Five minutes later I suggested to move to other room.

Action: I went to a shower. I always want to smell very good so that she is minimally offended. When I went out she was waiting for me with her G-string. She had a wonderful body with real tits. It was her round to take a shower.

When she was done we started a very slow & sensual act. Basically it was wowww. When we were done after 15 minutes she wanted to smoke a cigarette. However she had left her pack in the other room so I offered a cigar. She accepted and we fumed together.

The second round was even more sensual. She was a very pleasant person to be around. I felt comfortable from minute one. We lasted probably 25 minutes or so (who's watching the time).

When we were done we hugged each other for a while.

As always the end was not pleasant. I had to rush out and etc. etc. I hate the last part.

$400 for the girl $200 for the hotel.

[Nose Dick]

Dear fellow Mongers,

I am watching the twirl created by the "$600" incident. I would like to share my 2 cents on the topic.

I would like to thank Yavuz Hayat and Andre Alfani for their comments. I had the feeling they read and reacted to my posting in the spirit I intended. However, being called "unaware or unconfident (actually it's spelled inconfident)" by Vegamars was not called for.

In every market, there are different price points. And usually the quality differential do not justify the price differential. Think about German cars (Mercedes, BMW) and Japanese cars. The first is 2-3 times more expensive, but I doubt that the buyers of these cars are either "unaware" or "inconfident" of the cheaper cars.

My suggestion is that some Turkish woman are more expensive i) The very good looking ones, with decent Turkish language command are very sparse ii) They know how to get dressed decreasing of being spotted. (I had experiences of EE girls visiting my bachelor time apartment with extravagant dresses shouting to the world who they were). Hence I call them higher quality. Not because they are better in the bed or they are better looking than EE counterparts. And willingly I pay a premium to these.

I see WSG as a platform to share experiences, help&support each other rather than blame others. I hope everyone reads my postings in this spirit.

[John Randal]

PRICES - WILLINGNESS TO PAY - DEMAND SUPPLY

In fact, we did not argue rudely like other examples I have seen on other section of this forum.

I guess this is because all fellow mongers in Istanbul section are real intellectual gentlemen; who know how to discuss a subject and how to address somebody in order to express his opinions. If an intellectual person has enough vocabulary to express his thoughts, then there is no need to replace the missing words with rude expressions, swearing or insults - which first comes to minds of people with weaker rhetorical skills.

I am happy that this is not the case in Istanbul. I feel that we can discuss anything till the end, without raising dust here. It's just for the sake of satisfying our humble selves. That's what FORUMS are for. Aint it?

[U Turner]

I often travel to Istanbul for business and sometimes stay overnight. I usually check in to a decent hotel. My favorite one is Holiday Inn at Atakoy Marina. Definetly, I never sleep alone.

I usually call an EE girl thru my contacts (mamas). The price is $150 for 2-3 hours. Although it is more expensive than Irmak-like mongering spots, it is hassle free. Furthermore, you don't take the risk of meeting face to face with someone you don't wanna see e.g. your brother in law.

However; once in awhile I take that risk and go for window-shopping. My favorite spots are Bacardi, Balance and Seranda.

I will be in Istanbul on next Tuesday and I will share my experiences with you.

[Vegamars]

There's no point in arguing about who's right and wrong.

Nothing's gonna change cause there will always be some unaware or unconfident guys booming up the market.

In the small mongering world, every demand evokes the relavant supply!!