Istanbul

[CBGBConnisur]

BananaBoy, I don't know what crack you smoke but the Turkish women I met in Germany can be quite stunning, in fact they are often dropdead gorgeous. Germany has a large Turkish community, if you want to meet a hot Turkish woman, you have to visit Germany, there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Visit an FKK club and you will see what I mean, some of them are attractive at worst and can be dropdead gorgeous at best. I would agree with you that in Turkey itself it is difficult for a guy to find a good looking woman. Then again the place is a poor religous fundamentalist country so what would you expect??? If you go to Greece, there are plenty of beauties but the local ladies seem to have something against prostitution.

[Banana Joe]

Agree local expert ... Aksaray is not Calcutta, but I think you'll agree that is not a beautiful area or with a great scenery and neither a relaxing place where you can enjoy a romantic dinner or some sightseeing with your girlfriend. I have found Istanbul safe, but not relaxing. It's different.
You'll agree that is different to feel safe because cops are everywhere or because streets are "naturally" safe, like in Copenhagen.

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> How much do you need to spend per day on food?

It's very difficult to spend more than 20-30$.
But usually I stick with small restaurants or with the food sold on the streets, so I can easily eat (and sometimes splurge) with 10$ a day on average.


> Do you think this is a nice city to visit if you are meeting a
> Ukrainian girl and wish to spend some time with her? (She is
> from Ukraine, I am from USA, and this is the cheapest place for > us to meet and very easy for us both to get visa's)

Yes.
I'm not a great fun of Istanbul, but Sultanahmet (during the day) and Taksim (during the night) areas are definitely worth the look.


> Did you stay in a major hotel? I am told that working girls are
> often found in the hotels of Istanbul.

I was in a major hotel in Aksaray and later in a small one in Sultanahmet. Never spotted girls in the lobby.
But maybe you can find them in the Aksaray area.


Banana Joe

[hasan]

Well, Mario... the answer is "not easily". I am not feeling comfortable about posting information publicly, but if you are really interested in tracking down and contacting profesional models e-mail me privately at : hasan_zani@yahoo.com

[USArocks]

Does anyone have any information about the Escort scene in Istanbul? Other than finding an escort agency in Ukraine and having a girl sent over to you, do you know of any good escort agencies in Istanbul?

From what it sounds like, from people like Bannana Joe, is the women on the streets...pro's and non-pro's...are nothing special, including the Russian/Ukrainian pro's.

If anyone has any info on escorts in Istanbul, and prices, it would be appreciated.

[Local Expert]

It is true that Aksaray is a fairly bad place, but comparing it to Calcutta is definitely unfair. If you look at the ***** areas in other Meditteranian cities like Naples, on Crete or in Lisbon at the port area, these are even worse than Aksaray.
Of course you have cops in the area and there are several rip-off bars as well. The cops do sometimes raid the bars/discos but they won't touch you (no matter wether you are a tourist or a Turk), they want to catch illegals. Just stay seated, show ur ID and wait for the cops to leave (after 10 minutes or so).
But !!! Aksaray is not an unsafe area !!! You will not get beaten up there, they won't steal your money or rob you. I live in Turkey for 7 years now and have allways been treated with respect.
I have been to one of these rip-offs last year and was seriously dissapointed, but the Seranda is suprisingly different.

Regarding dress code, just shave, wear a jeans and a shirt. You will be spotted as a tourist anyway and if you wear the typical "poor people' s Haute Coiture" which is a an old suit, no tie, open shirt and white socks, you won't be camouflaged at all, they will just call you an idiot.

I have never had the pleasure to pop over to Romania, Bulgaria or the Czech Republic, but some of my Turkish friends do travel to Romania for sex and prefer it to Istanbul. Now, since this page is about Turkey, I can only give you my expirience about Istanbul and Ankara.

If you want to impress your girlfriend with a cute and very clean hotel in a restored old building in Istanbul, take one of the hotels you find under this link: http://www.nisanyan.net/harita.asp?no=is2

If you wanna party with your girl in Istanbul, go to places like Ortaköy, Levet or Taksim (Istiklal Cad.).

[USArocks]

Bannana Joe,

Where were the places that you say are "unsafe"? I am also planning on travelling to Istanbul soon. I will be touring many places in Europe this summer, Romania, Czech Republic, and Turkey.

How much do you need to spend per day on food?

Do you think this is a nice city to visit if you are meeting a Ukrainian girl and wish to spend some time with her? (She is from Ukraine, I am from USA, and this is the cheapest place for us to meet and very easy for us both to get visa's)

I will not be out "hunting", I already have caught my fish..lol

Any places or clubs you suggest going to?

Did you stay in a major hotel? I am told that working girls are often found in the hotels of Istanbul.

Any help anyone can offer would be great. Thanks!

[Banana Joe]

You'll be spotted as a tourist in less than a minute I guess.
Or maybe your ancestors were from turkey and you have not changed your clothes a washed your face in the last two weeks.
I'm not saying that all man in turkey are so dirt, but in the Aksaray (not exactly Rodeo Drive boys ...) area this is the average man you spot.

Aksaray is much more like Calcutta than Beverly Hills, I hope you have already understood ...

[Hedonist]

Guys,

I have another question:

I've been to Istanbul, and I know that like in Western Europa people mostly tend to dress to impress unlike Americans. When you are hunting for a Russian girl in the Aksaray area, say at Seranda, what would be the appropriate dress code not to be spotted as a foreigner right away. How do you dress when you go whoring in this area? Thanks in advance!

[Banana Joe]

Ok, here I am, live from Istanbul!
Oh boy, what a disappointment :-/

The locals are, generally speaking ... well ... butt ugly, excuding maybe some exotic cuties, but not enougth to drive the average over the minimum required to catch my interest.

Compared with the bulgarian, the romanians or the ukrainan those girls take a 6-0 6-0 6-0.

''Natasha'' action is, as previously stated, in the Aksaray area.
But the quality is well below average, for the russian standards, and the prices are not so cheap: 100 USD.
The area is very ugly and cops are everywhere making raids.
Haven't tried the Seranda, but the other nightclubs are the worst ripoffs I have ever seen in Europe (40 USD for a coke and a small beer).

So we have:

- inflated prices;
- unsafe areas;
- ripoffs;
- below average locals;
- below average ''natasha''
- apartment and escort scene difficult to find;


IMHO avoid Istanbul if you're in the mood for some *****mongering. Stick with the Czech Rep. or with the Romania instead.

[mario]

Hi, guys!
I will be traveling to Istanbul for 5 days and I was wondering how can I find some profesional models (mentioned by Osman in November 2001). I don't know any "important" people in Istanbul, but I am willing to pay up to 1000$ for the premium category fuck.

[Stockbroker]

9 pm is too early.....
Night life in begins at 10 pm in istanbul,weekends may be later
Girls come and go,so you better wait for a while to make your choice.
Check the traffic!!!!!keep your eyes on entrance....

[Hedonist]

Local Expert and Stockbroker:

Can you please also let us know when things start get going in the disco of Seranda Hotel? Is 9pm too early? Is after midnight too late? What time do you usually go there?

Thanks!

[Hedonist]

By Email:

Can you please post the phone # of that Russian madame or email it to my private email address (expatgo@hotmail.com)?

Thanks a lot!

[Local Expert]

To "High-Roller": was a pleasure, have a nice trip
To "By email": Do you have the number of the russian madame you mentioned? Sound like a good deal.

[Anonymous]

The last report you have on Istanbul is from June 1998. I was there lately for a period of 2 months and I thought I would update the info.

First of all the GENELEVs are horrendous. These are the government run *****houses, and as others have said, it is a crap shoot, you may go in and find a 20 beauty, or as is usually the case, you will find 35-50 yo hags. Also the hassle of going to one is not worth it. You have to leave your id at the main gate with the police and Gendarme (there to keep a handle o the young soldiers on leave), get frisked, walk thru the metal detector, and then when you are in hassled by the old madams, food vendors, and the “girls” themselves. The main one in Istanbul is in Karakoy, in down town, near all the tourist attraction. It is basically a dead end street that has the “gate” on the open side. NOT WORTH IT! Also, there was a mention of finding girls in the Aksaray/Laleli area, at the small “pubs” and “bars”. Yes there are girls there, they are not as abundant as in 96-99 due to a sharp drop in trade between Istanbul and the Russian republics, and they are not as expensive as the girls I mention below. These girls are the ones not pretty enough to strip, to be “acceptable” in the hotel lobbies, and maybe not bold enough to work at some of the upper end “discos”. They are OK, the good thing is if all you want is a quickie, you can go in to one of these bars, open around 10 pm, pick/bargain ($40 for 1-2 hrs) and take her out of there. Usually these girls will not go back to your place if it for a fast screw, they will want to stay in the area and will take you to one of the cheap rent by the hour places in and around Aksaray and Laleli. On big drawback is that the immigration police raids these places often, and if you are there, you will be taken in, questioned, and after 3 hours released. Some quickie eh.

Other options are the “strip” clubs, and the major hotel lobbies. In the first case, the girls are gorgeous 8-10, and always from Eastern Europe. The clubs are swanky, and in the nice area of town. BUT, just because she strips, doesn’t mean she will join you. These girls work for the club, and make a salary plus “commission” on drinks. Their main goal is to keep you there, drinking as long as possible, and then maybe if she likes you, she may agree to go back to your place. From those that have succeeded in getting a girl out, the fee seems to be US $ 100 for all night, which since you are leaving at 3-4 am means until 9-10 am that morning. If you want to spend $200 in drinks and tips to get laid, that’s up to you. In the second case, trolling the major hotel lobbies, it is a 50/50 proposition. If you can get one of the bellhops to point out the working girls to you, you will at least reduce the risk of propositioning the wrong lady. Again the girls are Eastern European, 19 to 28, well dressed, and pretty god looking. The fee for these girls is also $100, but if you can hook up with them early, all night means ALL night. Most of theses girls speak passable English, and you can carry on a conversation of sorts with them.

The solution I found for myself was the following. First, if I was in the mood to drink, dance and party, I would go to a place called Demirkoy Hotel. It is in the ATAKOY marina, near the Galleria shopping center and the Holiday inn. The place is basically a very old tourist vacation resort that caters almost 80% to working girls and their customers. For some reason they NEVER get raided, and I was told that they have never had any problems with bar fights etc, so generally safe. There is a nightclub there that opens around 10 pm, but doesn’t get interesting until midnight. The place is not all that imagine an old fashioned disco from the 80s and that is what it looks like. What makes the place interesting is that it is FULL of working girls. By this I men that on a slow night, here will be at least 20 girls there, and from Thursday to Saturday, there will be 40-50 girls there. The nice thing is this, they do not allow Turks in, if not the place would have 150 men in there, the majority of men in there are in Istanbul on business, and every time I went there, the men to women ratio was about 5 girls per man. The girls here are a very mixed bunch, most from Ukraine, Russia, and Romania, with a mix of Moroccan (they get a lot of Arabs here), Turks, and Iranian. The girls range from 5-8 in looks, and they all speak at least 3 languages including English. The nice thing about this place is you can sit at a table and order a bottle, ½ a bottle, or only drinks, and take in the sights. If you don’t like what you see just pay and leave. There is a price list, so you know what you will pay; the most I ever paid was $70 for 3 people. They will try to place a huge tray of fruit on it, and try to get you to order separate drinks for the girls, but the girls usually will drink with you, and if you don’t want the fruits etc, tell them, and they will not bother you again. Once you are settled in, just take your time to look for what you like, and when you find her, either get up and invite her to your table, or get a waiter to call her over. After that, it is up to you, if you want to stay and dance, or if you want to leave. Be careful, do not let the girls approach you, and sit themselves down, you will have a hard time getting them to leave. Usually the girls that come to the table are those that are desperate, haven’t a customer in a while and need money, or they are the classical pushy type *****s that are all mouth and no action. Also, make sure before you leave the place to agree on the price with the girl, again it should not be more than $100 for the night, and if you see her again, it WILL come down. Do not leve your wallet or cash in the room when you are taking a shower. Do not give the girl your tel# unless you really enjoyed it and ant to see her again, outside of this situation. Do not agree to go to her place, or take her friend along, always your place, or stay in one of the rooms at that hotel. Always use protection; the girls usually do not have any condoms, so you bring yours along (unless you enjoy playing Russian roulette with your life). These are pretty common sense things, but I thought to mention them because in our LUST, we sometimes forget the basics. I have always had good experiences at this place, by that I mean I never felt at risk, or uncomfortable, but I have picked girls that were not really pros, or good in bed. I would suggest going for the Russian and the Romanian girls, as they seem to be more uninhibited, and willing to please. I find the Moroccan and the Arab girls very prudish, and have a tendency to beg for more money after you have done the deed and generally pestering. There is a $10 entry fee, and if you leave with a girl, she will expect you to pay her $3 wardrobe fee. Tip well (door $2/maitre d $5 / and waiter $2) and when you come back you will be remembered and taken care of.

The other way I connected with working girls was through an unofficial escort service run by a Russian madam, I found this one but from what I was told there are many more like her. You call in the afternoon, tell her what you want-exactly-and she will call you back to tell you who she has available, and describe her to you. She usually has girls that have just arrived to Turkey, and as such, most of them do not speak English well. The girls she has are all 8/9 and I had one or two 10s. Once you agree on the time place etc, the girl will show up and that’s that. The fees are again $100. This is a great way to go if you don’t want to deal with leaving your hotel, and brave Istanbul traffic. All the girls from this service were MORE than adequate, and did everything I desired. Note that she may ask you for taxi money when she is leaving. Getting them into the hotel is no problem, they are used to this, and do not bother, so do not fall for any security person or doorman trying to muscle you for a tip.

That is all for now. I will be going to Antalya on the Med coast in July/August, and from what I have been told, it is even better down there. I will report back after my trip.