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[Superparatrooper]

Now can someone please answer this.

Just checking with the Oanda Converter, its got 936 grivna for $100, but only 2751 rubles for $100.

Please, can someone explain why the grivnas are so much weaker?

How low is the Grivna gonna go?

While both countries’ economies are in serious peril, the Russian government has responded in a much more cohesive way than the Ukrainians did. In Ukraine you’ve got the Prime Minster engrossed in a nasty food fight with the President. Each one is acting as if they are participants in a mud slinging contest to see who can smother the other one with more shit. On top of that you’ve got PM Tymoshenko going on TV and spewing populist rhetoric about how the government should stop banks from foreclosing on people who have defaulted on their mortgages and car loans. She then goes on to attack Stelmakh- the chairman of the National Bank of Ukraine (their central bank). Which was supposed to be also a swipe at the President because Yushchenko is a former banker himself. To keep up with the populist rhetoric, Mr. El Presidento Yushchenko himself starts criticizing banks and threatens to cut off central-bank funds to commercial banks in Ukraine because the economically illiterate masses of Ukraine think commercial banks are using the foreign currency the central bank has provided to speculate in the market rather than lend it to Boris who needs a new Bimmer. Following the long drawn out pissing contest to the bottom between Yushchenko & Tymoshenko, the two officially agreed to form a new coalition earlier this week, but I suspect the unity displayed by the "Coalition of the Willing" cooked up Dubya Bush would put to shame the unity of this new Ukrainian coalition government. The $16 billion IMF loan also stipulated that Ukraine has to let the hrivna free float on open currency exchanges. Given the bickering at the top and the fact the currency is trading freely, it is no surprise the hrivna is sinking faster than the Titanic. Ohh, did I mention that Gazprom is again threatening to turn off the gas supply.

Now, Russia in comparison to Ukraine looks like a professionally managed and governed country. Russia has (or at least had until very recently) the world’s 3rd largest foreign currency reserves. You also have a semblance of a government that is somewhat united in its effort to counter the effects of the crisis I. E. We don’t see Putin bickering with Medvedev. The Russian Central bank has been using the massive reserves to devalue the Ruble slowly – something akin of a controlled crash landing. In recent past the Russian central bank didn’t allow the ruble to weaken by more than 1%. As more than 25% or about $160 billion of the foreign reserves have melted away, the central bank has steadily expanded the trading band in which the ruble can fluctuate against a Euro-Dollar currency basket. This dual currency basket (made of 55% dollars and 45% Euros) is used to set the ruble's exchange rate. Because the central bank is widening the ruble’s trading band slowly it is attempting to devalue the ruble in a controlled manner.

In summation, the ruble unlike the hrivna is not trading freely on the world’s currency markets. The Russian central bank has been using what once was a record $597 billion gold and foreign reserve stash to prop up the ruble. If you add the political turmoil in Ukraine, it is easy to see why the hrivna has sunk faster than the ruble.

How long can hrivna go? It is a billion dollar question. If I knew the answer I would be The Fucking Soros Jr. The 2nd. All the drinks would be on me for everyone on ISG.

[It Travel]

Listen I apologize for that!

Now can someone please answer this.

Just checking with the Oanda Converter, its got 936 grivna for $100, but only 2751 rubles for $100.

Please, can someone explain why the grivnas are so much weaker??

I want more rubles!!

One thing for sure though, Russian prostitues in the provinces still ask for grivnas, not rubles, and the price si still set at 200 per hour, THAT'S NOW ONLY $21.79 !!!! I might have to change my spring time tickets from Russia to Ukraine!!

How low is the Grivna gonna go????

I got in touch again with the MT and she wants 300 USD a day now... so something Is changing....

IT

Attached You'll find her visit card... a pic from 30/05/2005.... now she staes she is 22 ah ah she is 27-8... but the visti card is still astonishing... Bez I wonder who called her "The Helicopter" ah ah ah

[Bez Bezarra]

Listen I apologize for that!

Now can someone please answer this.

Just checking with the Oanda Converter, its got 936 grivna for $100, but only 2751 rubles for $100.

Please, can someone explain why the grivnas are so much weaker??

I want more rubles!!

One thing for sure though, Russian prostitues in the provinces still ask for grivnas, not rubles, and the price si still set at 200 per hour, THAT'S NOW ONLY $21.79 !!!! I might have to change my spring time tickets from Russia to Ukraine!!

How low is the Grivna gonna go????

[Bez Bezarra]

i say hrivnas next week will be $1=5 hrivnas!

or wait, no... you peel potatoes and onions on a russian naval tugboat in the sevastpol harbor?

no..?

you are a bilge pumper?

ditch digger?

coal miner's step-son?

please explain what qualifies you to predict next week the dollar will go back to 5 grivnas!!!!

and explain specifically what economic factors or changes will cause that????

thank you.

[Haiduc]

Maybe in Sevastopol they pay Much more hrivnas to the dollar cause in Odessa today its 7.9 hrivnas to the dollar.

[LifeSavour]

The mickey mouse US dollar ........ I say buy Hrivnas now because next week will be $1=5 Hrivnas again!

Not! No way "NO Lies" 1:5 ha.

Here is the real deal, take this to the "bank".

The weak dollar has bottomed, WE are only waiting for a signal from our government such as: "NO, we are NOT going to throw $ to you in any bailout! " This will be the signal that the $ will hold and actually begin strengthening.

Couple this with the DEFLATION that is absolutely taking place in Europe and the smart 'speculators' will sell EUROS, POUNDS and ride the slide DOWN!

I am predicitng a move in 2009 approaching 1:1 parity ' EUR/USD!

Open a Foreign Exchange trading account, throw in there $400, sell the EURO (go short) and you will have enough $ to monger big time! I can even show you how to do it ALL totally devoid of taxes!

LS "currency guru with a crystal ball" Guy.

[Sevastopol1]

The mickey mouse US dollar is again getting weak. 1euro=1. 45 even though a week ago: 1 Euro=1. 25. So, maybe this is the end of the financial crisis. Or maybe there isn't a crisis at all! I think its all bullshit from speculators trying to make big bucks on the currency fluctuation market! I say buy Hrivnas now because next week will be $1=5 Hrivnas again!

On Wednesday here you could get 8.5uah for a $US, yesterday it was 10.5uah to the $US, kind of glad I don't take financial advice from this forum!

[Nolies]

The mickey mouse US dollar is again getting weak. 1euro=1. 45 even though a week ago: 1 Euro=1. 25. So, maybe this is the end of the financial crisis. Or maybe there isn't a crisis at all! I think its all bullshit from speculators trying to make big bucks on the currency fluctuation market! I say buy Hrivnas now because next week will be $1=5 Hrivnas again!

[Qjump]

I raised 2 sons in the midwest around the time when 'KIDS' went missing.

"Police: 1981 killing of Adam Walsh solved Boy's father later gained fame as the host of 'America's Most Wanted'"

In USA we became paranoid and protective. But here in Ukraine, I do not see OR feel the same 'environment'!

Why? Am I not in tune as I do not know the language? Is it happening here more than I think? I mean I see small kids alone on transport, in the street. Never would I of allowed my sons to do the same.

And the POLICE presence here is no where what it was in Smallville. Midwest. USA! Is the crime higher here? NOT!

I sometimes LIKE living here.

LS ' always wondering why ' Guy!

Got to agree,
The reason i think is the type of people are here, but they know when they get caught here they really will not be kept seperate from the mass prison population, but thrown to the "lions"
The problem is in the UK and USA they are looked after and treated "better"
Moreover, I also notice here the lack of menacing teenagers hanging around street corners, they are hanging around sometimes, but for some reason they dont seem to have that "pack" look in their eyes.
Crime in general in my opinion is far lower than in the US or UK, that is to say petty crime, crime by the minority against the masses, is distasteful to see right now....... but that's another story, how can you bleed a country for the last 10 years or so and make millions if not in some cases billions mostly tax free, and when the going gets tough, lay off the majority of your employees who you pay a pittance to anyway?
The latest pay joke I heard today was, they will still pay the miners but there wage was based against the dollar, say $450, they will pay, but only against the old exchange rate of 5.5 to the dollar! 30% pay cut anyone?

[LifeSavour]

I raised 2 sons in the midwest around the time when 'KIDS' went missing.

"Police: 1981 killing of Adam Walsh solved Boy's father later gained fame as the host of 'America's Most Wanted'"

In USA we became paranoid and protective. But here in Ukraine, I do not see OR feel the same 'environment'!

Why? Am I not in tune as I do not know the language? Is it happening here more than I think? I mean I see small kids alone on transport, in the street. Never would I of allowed my sons to do the same.

And the POLICE presence here is no where what it was in Smallville. Midwest. USA! Is the crime higher here? NOT!

I sometimes LIKE living here.

LS ' always wondering why ' Guy!

[LifeSavour]

I guess...... too stupid and too "" libidinous "" to have made the proper arrangements.

When you use a word that 98% of the forum members can not spell OR even try to understand.

You must include the definition!

Or are you trying to impress US?

LS 'vocab Master' Guy

Ps. OK, we see it comes from LIBIDO. So I assume it is a person being aroused or having lustful desires. Which is 110% of all of us EASILY aroused fellas?

[Moliere]

A provincial does not need a propiska to live in Kiev. That's not the problem. The real problem is that the propiska which still is in the passport (ask to see the passport and you will still see that stamp) also must be shown if the lady wants to receive local benefits reserved only for Kievans. Otherwise, she has to go home in order to benefit from any payments or services. That is why these ladies want a "ficitous marriage."

As for a foreigner, an actual openly requested "fictitious marriage" makes no sense. The lady may say she loves you but secretly consider it to be a fictious marriage as a way out of Ukraine and to half your income but that is another story.

I guess all of my friends in Kiev are too well off. They carry propiskas from whichever city their parents came from -- and they never mentioned looking for benefits from the municipal government. So I can now understand your point. The women who I might want to interest in this way are probably much as you describe -- and not earning $3,000 a month working for a Western bank.

As for the openly requested "fictitious marriage" : I think I now understand your point. You are saying that the women who list "fictitious marriage" on their profiles must be going after Ukrainians for the reasons above. If they want to hoodwink an oversexed American, they would not openly use the word "hoodwink" in their profile.

As for getting half of the guy's assets and income: isn't that the guys responsibility? To make sure he's got everything nailed down and properly hidden before he undertakes the adventure?

Still, you're right. From the girl's point of view, she has to assume the guy is too stupid and too libidinous to have made the proper arrangements.

[Uke Boy]

I'll confess that this explanation made sense for a minute and then left me totally confused. All of these women are already living in Kiev! They list themselves on singles.ru or loveplanet.ua as living in Kiev and they meet me for coffee (or stand me up at times). And friends tell me that they never bother trying to register in Kiev because - as you say, no one seems to care about propiska anymore.

I thought "fictitious marriage" was directed at Westerners : the girl wants to live in US or Western Europe and so she wants a guy to marry her in Ukraine with both parties knowing and agreeing that they will divorce once she gets settled in the target country.

A provincial does not need a propiska to live in Kiev. That's not the problem. The real problem is that the propiska which still is in the passport (ask to see the passport and you will still see that stamp) also must be shown if the lady wants to receive local benefits reserved only for Kievans. Otherwise, she has to go home in order to benefit from any payments or services. That is why these ladies want a "ficitous marriage."

As for a foreigner, an actual openly requested "fictitous marriage" makes no sense. The lady may say she loves you but secretly consider it to be a fictious marriage as a way out of Ukraine and to half your income but that is another story.

[LifeSavour]

I found this on a Russian Dating site:

"Three Months Membership for $59.95 + 3 months FREE !!! = 6 months (You save $15.00)"

Sounds good at 1st (or as my friend Moliere would say "the 1st 30 seconds") but wait a moment.

3 months at $60.00 + 3 months FREE - I SAVE $60.00!

Maybe the 'ol JACK the price up 100% and then give a 80% discount!

[LifeSavour]

MARRIAGE FOR A KIND : Well, this explanation made sense for only about 30 seconds....If two people are stuck with each other in the same flat, it may be MARRIAGE FOR A KIND, but that does not explain why anyone would advertise that as a the goal of meeting on a web site. It's not a goal -- just an unfortunate by-product of a different situation.

It is well documented that TWO can live CHEAPER than ONE! In fact I am looking for a nice "Sugar Babushka" to marry for a kind!