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[Qjump]

I am not sure how many times over the years we go back to the subject of the mongers need to learn Russian (or Ukrainian). I am sure this will be discussed next year and all the years following! Not even saying RTFF will help...

Doc is right. If you don't learn basic Russian, you will meet and bed only a small tiny slice of the female population here and in Russia. That includes both regular girls and pros.

How many times have guys over the past years, even in the last few days, write that their contact with ladies, pros and non-pros, that they wanted to meet had fallen through due to the language issue? Far too many.

Those of us who live here, work here or visit frequently for whatever reason, we do understand the issue and have varying degrees of Russian skills from basic to fluent.

For the first-time or the occasional visitor, I would suggest you either try and learn some basic Russian from one of the very many language course (Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone etc. depending on your mother tongue) so that you can get around town and widen your pool of possible contacts. It will also make that meeting much more personally satisfying not to mention much easier to communicate your wants and needs.

Spoken like a true Gent! learn Russian or miss out

[Uke Boy]

I am not sure how many times over the years we go back to the subject of the mongers need to learn Russian (or Ukrainian). I am sure this will be discussed next year and all the years following! Not even saying RTFF will help...

Doc is right. If you don't learn basic Russian, you will meet and bed only a small tiny slice of the female population here and in Russia. That includes both regular girls and pros.

How many times have guys over the past years, even in the last few days, write that their contact with ladies, pros and non-pros, that they wanted to meet had fallen through due to the language issue? Far too many.

Those of us who live here, work here or visit frequently for whatever reason, we do understand the issue and have varying degrees of Russian skills from basic to fluent.

For the first-time or the occasional visitor, I would suggest you either try and learn some basic Russian from one of the very many language course (Pimsleur, Rosetta Stone etc. depending on your mother tongue) so that you can get around town and widen your pool of possible contacts. It will also make that meeting much more personally satisfying not to mention much easier to communicate your wants and needs.

[Doctor_Skank]

Will it help to engage an interpreter? If one ends up banging both thanks to all the smooth talk being passed through the lips of a nice interpreter, I think the whole concept sounds OK.

I would turn the question around. What about writing to a bunch of cute English speaking girls on the dating sites or on Bkontakte.ru asking for an interpreter? If one of them says yes, you can improvise from there.

That's an interesting idea, indeed.

A very valid point. And while we're on the topic of language barriers. Does anyone have any experience of dating ladies who speak only a few words of English? Is it worth the hassle?

About half on the girls I score with speak zero or very little English. In a lot of ways, it's uncharted territory or at the very least, untapped by other mongers.

Even though my Russian is still not very good, it is enough to get laid. There is an advantage to speaking simple Russian... the relationship doesn't get caught up in conversation and you get to the point rather quickly, often the relationship will more or less revolve around sex. Being the "first foreigner" a girl speaks to is actually an enviable position. It's quite easy to use her curiousity/attraction to skip 1st, 2nd and 3rd base and go straight for home. You have to maneuver her into that position however, meaning find a way to be alone with her. That is really all that matters. The rest is merely "foreplay". )

Disadvantage is of course it can get boring during "down time". Moreover, those girls who need more sweet-talking before dropping their knickers become very difficult to land, so much so one asks oneself if it is worth the effort. Moving along to an easier target might be more economical.

[Moliere]

A very valid point. And while we're on the topic of language barriers. Does anyone have any experience of dating ladies who speak only a few words of English? Is it worth the hassle?

Will it help to engage an interpreter? If one ends up banging both thanks to all the smooth talk being passed through the lips of a nice interpreter, I think the whole concept sounds OK.

I had some experience along those lines about five years ago when I had zero experience, zero Russian and I used a "marriage agency." Of course, the interpreter/guide they sent was a 55 year-old pseudo-cosmopolitan lady who met none of the qualifications you have in mind.

Obviously, there's a spectrum here. You are not asking about using an interpreter for one night with a girl from River Palace. The other end is the marriage agency, and you don't seem to be into that either.

I would turn the question around. What about writing to a bunch of cute English speaking girls on the dating sites or on Bkontakte.ru asking for an interpreter? If one of them says yes, you can improvise from there.

[Arcanehalls]

It's a nice touch to help navigate the site, but it still doesn't make 90% of the girls literate in anything other than Russian, so keep practicing.

A very valid point. And while we're on the topic of language barriers. Does anyone have any experience of dating ladies who speak only a few words of English? Is it worth the hassle?

Will it help to engage an interpreter? If one ends up banging both thanks to all the smooth talk being passed through the lips of a nice interpreter, I think the whole concept sounds OK.

[Doctor_Skank]

Got it. Works also on love.mail.ru.

Thanks.

It's a nice touch to help navigate the site, but it still doesn't make 90% of the girls literate in anything other than Russian, so keep practicing.

[Prosal]

click on "Другой язык" (other language) -> English

Got it. Works also on love.mail.ru.

Thanks.

[Nemez]

click on "Другой язык" (other language) -> English

[Moliere]

Now also in English:

http://love.ujut.net

Interesting but I could not get the English page to work. An I've now spent 18 months learning Russian and refining my pitch on the Russian language versions of the dating web sites.

[Nemez]

Now also in English:

http://love.ujut.net

[Doctor_Skank]

I have recently found my way in to the lovely world of singles. Ru. There are lots of nice ladies. Many of which are looking for sponsors.

I would appreciate very much if someone who has some experince of this kind of relationship could tell us others what it usually involves. Is it an option for a regular visitor and what level of contribution is expected etc?

There are probably many posts on this topic but I doubt there is a comprehensive review.

I wrote this before on the Russia board, but it's essentially true for Ukraine as well:

You can find more detailed info on this if you RTFF, but to answer your question:

* sponsorship means paying either a monthly sum or short-term sum for companionship usually including sex. Everything is subject to negotiation.... price, services, frequency. Most girls are looking for something long-term or medium-term and many will reject the idea of short-term sponsorship or single meetings. Payment is usually monthly, but again is a matter of negotiation and circumstance. There is no contract. Additionally, some sponsored girls do not have sex with their sponsors and/or aren't required. Make sure your intents are clear and clarify exactly what you expect. A lot of girls are looking for men who can introduce them to "good circles" and help them with their careers, even if that career is just being a pampered concubine.

* sponsorship girls don't consider themselves prostitutes, although essentially they are. Nonetheless, there is the important difference that they are often "normal" girls looking to earn money on the side or to fund their lifestyles or looking for a real partner and moreover, many pride themselves on turning down potential sponsors if they aren't good enough, good-looking or most importantly, don't fork out enough cash. They are choosier than normal prostitutes, this is fact.

* there is a wide variety of types of girls looking for sponsorship, from "professionals" who go from one sponsor to the next as career mistresses to students looking for extra money to out of work girls desperate to make the ends meet to single moms needing to buy baby milk to girls just experimenting with the idea or trying to get enough cash together for holidays. Additionally as stated above, many girls are just looking to meet the right people to start their ladder-climbing careers or looking for legitimate connections in real careers.

* many, probably even most, of the girls only speak Russian or only will date Russian men.

* one or two "interviews", usually a meeting in a cafe, are often required before an arrangement is agreed upon. The girls have both security and image concerns, meaning they want to know with whom they are being set up with. This varies from girl to girl however.

* short-term sponsorship is possible with some and a matter of negotiation, however it is more the exception than the rule and is usually fairly expensive. Normal prostitutes are often cheaper. There are no set prices, but from what I can deduce it seems that the price for a monthly arrangement varies greatly and runs from $2000-$20,000, with average price for a good girl in "7" category about $4000. A single meeting if she agrees is usually about $500, but varies. Pricing may be in rubles, dollars or euro. Girls in the 9 or 10 category, if they are on the market or mamba at all, demand (and receive) very high prices. Additionally, in some arrangements, sponsorship includes fringe benefits such as paid holidays, shopping allowances, cars, apartments etc. Top girls are expensive.

* as the girls don't consider themselves prostitutes per se and as they can afford to be selective, it is not a good idea to start communication with "how much?". A little bit of faux romance at the beginning is important to get communication started. Again, do not be surprised if it is difficult to find willing candidates and do not be insulted if the girls don't answer you at all. They have a pretty good nose for selecting those men they will benefit most from and they have gotten used to Russian (or Georgian/Armenian) men being MUCH more generous than cheap Westerners.

That said, the economic crisis in 2009 may change the rules of the game a bit and personally I feel that prices will come down as supply of girls exceeds demand from locals willing to spend their decreasing fortunes on girls. Additionally more girls will be willing to accept single meetings as opposed to insisting on monthly arrangements, as they will have no choice.

You should also read this report for inspiration. It suggests that opportunities are opening for us.


http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...d.php?p=823328

Please do note however that the quoted prices for Russia are outdated and not applicable to Ukraine. In Ukraine it is considerably cheaper and I expect the prices have gone down a lot in Russia as well. The currencies in both countries have lost over 40% of their value against dollar/euro and there are less sponsors out there willing to spend big bucks for sex.

For a single meeting in Kiev I paid as low as 400 griv for 3 hours, and she would have stayed longer if I wanted.

[Arcanehalls]

I have recently found my way in to the lovely world of singles. Ru. There are lots of nice ladies. Many of which are looking for sponsors.

I would appreciate very much if someone who has some experince of this kind of relationship could tell us others what it usually involves. Is it an option for a regular visitor and what level of contribution is expected etc?

There are probably many posts on this topic but I doubt there is a comprehensive review.

[Jake993]

Arcane, you are so right about the UK most women there look like horses yet the men are far better looking according to my Ukrainian wife!
And yes you are right a large % of Ukrainian men look like the missing link
But the women...... oh..... the women, sure gives us normal looking guys a good chance with the babes!
I enjoyed your posts BTW!

A funny thing happened a week ago while I was in Hungary on business. I was making a road trip from Gyula in the Southeast of Hungary to Wislok in the Southeast of Poland (don't ask) so rather than go back to Budapest and take the M3 I decided to take the scenic route and drive straight north.

Being the "man" that I am I opted to follow the GPS nav system in the rental car that than get a paper map or (God forbid) ask for directions. I dunno what was up with the Nav system but when I hit Zahony I realized I was driving into Ukraine. This was a problem as it was in violation of the rental car agreement so I stopped at a little gas station beside a grocery store to see what was what.

Most of the cars in the parking lot had Ukrainian license plates and obviously belonged to Ukrainians who were just over to do a little cross-border shopping. But let me tell you, these were some of the scariest looking people I had ever seen. The younger women were not too tough to look at, but the men looked like something out of a horror film. Reminded me of a scene out of "Dusk till Dawn" except there was no Juliette Lewis asking anyone to eat her pussy. Yikes - I'm getting the shivers just thinking about these trolls. And it wasn't just one car load either. It was EVERY car. There was one group of about 8 people (no joke) that were all piled into an old Volga.

Now, in all fairness these had to be some rural folk from the far West of Ukraine but these guys were UUUUUUgly. Made me feel like Brad Pitt and sort of explains all the attention I got in Kiev.

[Qjump]

I choose NOT to introduce my own country of origin (the UK) into this discussion for obvious reasons

Arcane, you are so right about the UK most women there look like horses yet the men are far better looking according to my Ukrainian wife!
And yes you are right a large % of Ukrainian men look like the missing link
But the women...... oh..... the women, sure gives us normal looking guys a good chance with the babes!
I enjoyed your posts BTW!

[Arcanehalls]

Arcanehalls, keep in mind that about quarter (some say even more) of population in Ukraine is not of slavic origin at all. Many of those who call themselves "Ukrainians" have origin of somebody else. Mongols, Tatars, Poles, Hungarians, Swedes, Italians, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. Plus after Ukraine became independent whole bunch of former soviet non slavic people arrived in Ukraine. Georgians, Azers, Chechens, you name it. Quarter of million of Tatars came back. So this can be answer for you.

No that does not provide an answer.

First of all I would like to point out that I have nothing against Slavic men. I have nothing against any men - as long as they behave properly, mind their own business AND don't make passes at me. The "Slavic" connection came up because the title of the article in question carried the word "Slavic".

My question was - and still is - how come that you in the Ukraine find such a large proportion of ladies with nice features and a much smaller proportion of men with nice features. So far as I know they don't bring in lots of weird-looking people to have sex with the local ladies when they plan the child to be a boy. The nice looking ladies come from the same pool of genes that makes the boys and evidently this pool of genes makes nicer girls than boys - whatever the origin is.

In a country like Norway you find very many nice looking ladies, BUT you also find many men with nice features. I choose NOT to introduce my own country of origin (the UK) into this discussion for obvious reasons

As for the potential success of a man with poor looks I think it is clear to all that even the ugly guy has a good chance with the ladies as long as he has some charm or power or some money (or all three). I'm sure that if Larry King stepped in to Arena there would be quite a few ladies proving quite happy to join him at his table and possibly also help him relieve his tensions - FOC.

Now I hope we can leave this topic and get back to more factual pussy-related stuff. I also risk being told off by some genital wiper to move my posts to some forum for arcane genetics-freaks And we want to avoid that, don't we?