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[Uke Boy]

This just came in from the American Embassy in Kiev. The main thing for mongers is to note points 1, 4 and 5:

UPDATE ON CHANGES IN UKRAINIAN IMMIGRATION LAW
The following information was conveyed to the Embassy informally by representatives of the Ukrainian Border Control authority and the Department of Citizenship, Migration and Registration. This information is not intended as an authoriative source of information about Ukrainian immigration laws and regulations but rather as a general guide. For specific information regarding individual cases American citizens should contact the appropriate Ukrainian authority or employ services of legal counsel.

An unofficial English translation of the text of the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine #917 from July 11, 2007.

“Registration is done for short term visits - for foreigners and stateless persons from countries which have visa regime - for the duration of the visa, but for no more than 90 days, unless otherwise stipulated by the international treaties; for foreigners and stateless persons from countries with a visa free regime - for the period of up to 90 days during a 180 day period, unless otherwise stipulated by the international treaties; after Ukraine's entry into WTO - for foreigners and stateless persons from WTO member-countries - for no more than 180 days during a year.”

1. The provision of Resolution 917 regarding the requirement to show sufficient funds at the border upon entry into Ukraine is not in effect at this time pending issuance of a list of countries that fall under this regulation by the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.

2. Regarding employment in Ukraine.

• If a foreigner intends to travel to Ukraine for employment, the employer in Ukraine must obtain a work permit from the Ministry of Labor. A copy of this permit is sent to the applicant. The Appicant applies at a Ukrainian Consulate for an IM-1 visa. IM-1 is good for one year, but is single entry. After the applicant enters Ukraine, they submit their passport with an IM-1 visa in it and the original work permit to their local Department of Citizenship, Migration and Registration (DCMR) and get a stamp in their passport saying "Employment authorized until <date>." This stamp allows the person to leave and re-enter Ukraine as well as remain in Ukraine with no limits until its expiration. If the contract is longer than one year, then shortly before the stamp expires the employer must apply to the Ministry of Labor for an extension of the work permit. If the extension is granted, the work permit and the passport are brought to DCMR and are extended. No new IM-1 is required.

• If a foreigner enters Ukraine without a visa and decides s/he wants to be employed, the employer must apply to the Ministry of Labor for a work permit. This allows the person to remain in Ukraine and be employed for the duration of the work permit. The person will also need to register this permit with the DCMR. However, if s/he leaves Ukraine, s/he must obtain an IM-1 visa from a Ukrainian Embassy or Consulate abroad, re-enter Ukraine with this visa, and then receive the DCMR stamp mentioned in the paragraph above to be able to travel in/out of Ukraine with no limitations.

• Family members. Ukrainian law has no provisions for registration of minors (under 18). Spouses/family members of IM-1 holders are not automatically entitled to IM-1 status. However, if they intend to stay in Ukraine for more than 90 days, they must have a visa--most likely a P-1 (private) visa. When the IM-1 holder registers their work permit at DCMR, they should request the same status for their family members. Family members will receive a different stamp (most likely a permit for temporary residence), which will allow family members to stay in Ukraine and travel in/out the same way the IM-1 holder has.

3. Generally, foreigners can obtain Ukrainian visas (including IM-1) at any Ukrainian Consulate outside Ukraine. They do not have to travel to their home country to apply for a visa.

4. A computer system for counting the 90 and 180 days under the new provisions will be in place at all ports of entry soon. Counting will start on the day of traveler's first entry into Ukraine after the Resolution came into effect. It is the responsibility of the traveler to make sure that they are in compliance with the provisions of Ukrainian immigration law.

5. If traveler were to arrive at a Ukrainian port of entry and Ukrainian border authorities determine from the their records that traveler has used up their 90 days, it is possible that the Border Control officer will not permit traveler entry into Ukraine.

[Gentleman Travel]

It says right there, made in motherland.

But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.

She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?

I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.

I am not quite following, Bez.
This is a Russian import you are servicing in the USA?
Did you get some mileage out of her initially?
How much did she cost to run?

I know this is a bit off topic, if the activity is stateside,
but finding servicable EE imports is a favourite dream of mine.
Can you tell us a bit more about how you went about it...?

[Hakan Demir]

I do totally agree with you. Cause Russian women are mostly well educated and know what they want. If you respect them, you would get much more. They are best partners if treated right. When they want, they can make you feel like a super hero.

I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.

In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.

Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.

So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.

From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.

Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.

[Qjump]

I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.

In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.

Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.

So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.

From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.

Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.

Now I undertand why you are called Doctor! respect to that man!

[Doctor_Skank]

Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?

I'd say that depends on the Russian girl and the old American guy.

In my experience Russian women can be faithful, loyal and fantastic partners... but they expect a lot from their men. They especially hate laziness and self-pity. Escaping lazy and self-pitying men is the reason many of them agree to arranged marriages in foreign countries in the first place.

Money is a plus too. Not just because money buys nice things for Natasha, but because men who earn money are considered to be "real men" is Russian culture. Men who don't earn good money are considered pretty worthless.

So if the relationship is going to work, the man should be pretty sure of who he is and what he can offer. If he brings it to the table, he can expect a lot in return.

From what I can decipher from your posts you seem to be approaching it solely from the "what can I get from her" perspective. You'll only have limited success with this approach and she'll understand that you don't respect her. She'll give you no respect either. If that's all you care about, stick with prostitutes. You'll be happier that way and save a lot of time and effort.

Russian women are very much about power games in relationships. They prefer strong men by their own definition of femininity and are happy to assume the subordinate, submissive role as long as the relationship is running to their satisfaction... but of course use every opportunity they can to implement their feminine skills to full effect when they can, especially if they feel their man is being weak. Weakness is defined in many ways, not just physical strength.

[Qjump]

Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?

F**k All.
As soon as she starts to be chatted up by the slick advertising salesman around the same age as her who drives a nice car and will show here the life she really wants, and that not cleaning your shoes or acting like furniture!

[Yossi]

That really happens? No? Really?

And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.

I do not believe that could happen.........................................


Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.

Still. What are the chances that a young Russian girl will stay with an old American once in USA?

[Doctor_Skank]

It says right there, made in motherland.

But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.

She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?

I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.

"Someday this war's gonna end."
LTC Kilgore.

I hate the being mean part, but sometimes it's the only way out of an emotional dead-end.

I'm on the verge too. Her birthday is Thursday and she wants some sort of commitment present. Ain't gonna happen. I'd leave her at the bus stop, but damn little suchka is clever enough to take a taksi and arrive home before me. Must have some gypsy blood in her.

[Bez Bezarra]

The imports are inferior to originals.

It says right there, made in motherland.

But its this catalytic attitude converter that has severely reduced revving.

She started out good enough, for finding her at Blockbuster, but as it gets more familial, and conversations turn to karma and responsibility, she expects me to be a smiling debit card while she now cuts off all sperm production?

I wouldn't even take her home this morning, just left her at the bus stop.

[Doctor_Skank]

That really happens? No? Really?

And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.

I do not believe that could happen.........................................


Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.

Especially when said metal worker thinks he can use Natasha as a piece of furniture ala Yossi without her soon discovering she has "other options".

[Qjump]

I heard that some Ukrainian, Russian and other women from FSU want to marry someone like from USA and move there. And once in USA they just divorce or even worse divorce and get the 1/2 of wealth of the husband.

That really happens? No? Really?

And the balding fat 55 year old three times divorced metal worker, really thought the 22 year old good looking girl from a country where the normal wage is under $300 a month really loved him? after he found her on the internet / brothel or street.

I do not believe that could happen.........................................


Yep shit happens, but in my experience more to the idiots than the clever.

[Doctor_Skank]

I'm listening to the warning, but it goes in one ear and out the other.

She gets the royal treatment, but now I've had enough of waiting around for the surprise that never comes. Firm words have no positive effect, in fact, my efforts just don't effect her in a positive way. Dinners, gifts, home cooking, massages, even dental work, (which ain't cheap!), and......nichivo!

I think its just my fate that I only find the ones that think I'll accept a one way street, and it can only go for so long until I've run out of patience and I really resent their selfishness. And I ain't asking for much, I'm just looking for some tush.

It sure is clear proof how they change when they get over here. She may have been born in Omsk, but she's as american as mom's apple pie now.

The import models are vastly inferior to the originals.

[Bez Bezarra]

I warn not to overvalue pussy. I am not saying it will work.

I treat you like a princess until either you or me has had enough.

Then there are times to put them in their place, when she take too much control.

You'll know when to act and speak a firm word with her.

Treat her nice and show her some male courtesy and you'll be surprised what she'll do for you without you even asking.

I'm listening to the warning, but it goes in one ear and out the other.

She gets the royal treatment, but now I've had enough of waiting around for the surprise that never comes. Firm words have no positive effect, in fact, my efforts just don't effect her in a positive way. Dinners, gifts, home cooking, massages, even dental work, (which ain't cheap!), and......nichivo!

I think its just my fate that I only find the ones that think I'll accept a one way street, and it can only go for so long until I've run out of patience and I really resent their selfishness. And I ain't asking for much, I'm just looking for some tush.

It sure is clear proof how they change when they get over here. She may have been born in Omsk, but she's as american as mom's apple pie now.

[Yossi]

But is that easier to marry a Russian girl to have good and free sex?

I heard that some Ukrainian, Russian and other women from FSU want to marry someone like from USA and move there. And once in USA they just divorce or even worse divorce and get the 1/2 of wealth of the husband.

[James T Kirk]

But is that easier to marry a Russian girl to have good and free sex?