Kyiv

[AColonizer]

Bravo!

I can add an important different point of view from the past: the monger's typical negotiate should be always about price / time and never about services, because it should be natural (first of all, for all prostitutes in the world) prostitutes should be make everything their customers ask in that time.

Usual services should be bareback mouth, pussy and ass. Unusual services are pissing into her mouth, deep fisting, GGG-style gangbang, etc. These unusual services DON'T mean prostitutes ask more cash in exchange of their services. And prostitutes are happy the same. As I have already reported ad nauseam, I saw young men have a quickie or old men make anal fisting with the same tender girl and for the same price.

Now we are in this disgusting scene where men forgot the past and think with their own testicles only.

You sound like someone who doesn't care about prices, as long as the girl's looks are good, so for you it probably pays to check out the hot working girls at D'lux and Buddha Bar etc that ask prices like $400 or $500. But don't just cave in on the high demanded prices even for a real looker. Negotiate for a lower price. I never bothered with the higher priced nightclub girls, as I was satisfied with Rio girls at $300/3hrsm.

Rio girls get enough. Some ask for taxi fare home. Tipping is not expected but is always appreciated. Lower priced mamba girls probably should get something for good sevice.

Now with your question about taking pictures, you're back to simplistic questions you should know the answer to already by yourself, unless you are living in a cave somewhere aloof from normal human society and commerce. LOL.

I am writing an answer because it seems to me that you are not the only one who is so inexperienced in dealing with prostitutes that you ask such questions and maybe more than one newbie can be helped to avoid being cheated by these seductively sweet looking working girls.

For most of your questions the answer is that there is no rule or generally accepted custom and usage business practice in connection with the trade conducted by Kiev's escorts, so each girl is individual in her preferences and what she is willing to do.

Therefore, you will have to explicitly speak about any practice or action you want to have as part of your time with her and you must obtain her specific agreement up front on all details prior to the exchange of any money.

If you do not have an explicit agreement on any particular you are interested in having, you may expect your desire to possibly be mercilessly denied, and you will have no recourse, as you failed to have an agreement on it in advance. The fault is your own, as it would be in any business and in any transaction in the world.

(Obviously, even if you do have an explicit agreement in advance, many prostitutes try to renege on what they agreed to, but then you might have recourse to witholding payment and dismissing them, if you were smart enough to avoid paying them in advance before the session commences like most dishonest prostitutes demand you do before they proceed to cheat you.

My recommendation is that you may go as far as suggesting that you are willing to display the money to her, let it be counted, and even leave it on a table or shelf from where she may collect it but only after the session is completed before she leaves. In this way, if her concern is that she may be cheated by you if you refuse to pay at the end or say you don't have enough money, this suggestion should be sufficient to prove that you have enough money for her and that you are ready to pay it. So if the girl still insists that you must pay her up front, it is not a good sign because there really isn't any good reason for it, and most likely she does not intend to give you good service and you will not want to pay her later. Therefore, it is a reasonable recommendation that you should pass on such a girl and dismiss her.

If you decide to go along with it and pay her up front as she demands, for whatever reason, such as she is the most beautiful girl you have ever seen and you don't want to lose her, or whatever, then know that you are taking a chance. Sometimes it will be a good outcome and sometimes it will not.)

Therefore, if the thing that you want her to do is a "deal breaker" for you as to which if you had known she was going to say "NO" in advance, you would never have agreed to take her, then you MUST speak about it and obtain explicit agreement in advance. If it is a detail that is something you like but can also forgo, then you have a choice of not getting into discussing it in advance in order not to clutter the negociations with unnecessary details, and hoping for the best and that your charms will sway her to give you what you want, and then if she does not, it is no big deal. Or you can discuss it up front also.

HAKAN DEMIR, another admitted newbie asks: "how do you ask a girl about her services? Most of the time when I begin talking about what they do or not, they don't like talking about that and turn their back. Mostly common answer is 'I will make you so happy'. For example I am a fan of bareback and deep throat blowjobs, but how should I enter the topic?"

Perhaps try to be succinct and reduce the amount of conversation on such topics to the minimum necessary for an agreement to be made. For example, after some pleasantries and sufficient conversation for you to assess the girl's chemistry with you and whether she will provide a good session, during which time she has suggested sex for money, you need to ask about services that are "deal breakers" for you. Perhaps simply state that you enjoy oral sex "bez preservativ" (without condom) and deep, and these are your "deal breakers". A real prostitute has heard everything already. You should be able to discuss sevices details with her.

If a girl cannot even discuss a sexual act at all with you, then you will probably not be able to obtain that service from her and you should pass on her.

Or go to places like FKK's or brothels where discussion of services is expected and is the norm.

If you've been going around a regular nightclub asking normal girls about giving you bareback deep throat, then I don't wonder at the reaction you described. But if it's a WG with whom you were speaking, then her turning her back to you is a sgn that she is not into doing that and you wouldn't want her anyway. So move on untill you find a WG who is interested in your money.

[LilJoey]

Yes it time consuming, but worth trying if indeed there is a chance to grab 10. As for Rio or mamba girls, there is a posssibity to make pictures with them, what is there politics or its individual? Should you tip them in addition to agreed fee?

Thank you.

You sound like someone who doesn't care about prices, as long as the girl's looks are good, so for you it probably pays to check out the hot working girls at D'lux and Buddha Bar etc that ask prices like $400 or $500. but don't just cave in on the high demanded prices even for a real looker. Negotiate for a lower price. I never bothered with the higher priced nightclub girls, as I was satisfied with Rio girls at $300/3hrsm

Rio girls get enough. Some ask for taxi fare home. Tipping is not expected but is always appreciated. Lower priced mamba girls probably should get something for good sevice.

Now with your question about taking pictures, you're back to simplistic questions you should know the answer to already by yourself, unless you are living in a cave somewhere aloof from normal human society and commerce. LOL.

I am writing an answer because it seems to me that you are not the only one who is so inexperienced in dealing with prostitutes that you ask such questions and maybe more than one newbie can be helped to avoid being cheated by these seductively sweet looking working girls.

For most of your questions the answer is that there is no rule or generally accepted custom and usage business practice in connection with the trade conducted by Kiev's escorts, so each girl is individual in her preferences and what she is willing to do.

Therefore, you will have to explicitly speak about any practice or action you want to have as part of your time with her and you must obtain her specific agreement up front on all details prior to the exchange of any money.

If you do not have an explicit agreement on any particular you are interested in having, you may expect your desire to possibly be mercilessly denied, and you will have no recourse, as you failed to have an agreement on it in advance. The fault is your own, as it would be in any business and in any transaction in the world.

(Obviously, even if you do have an explicit agreement in advance, many prostitutes try to renege on what they agreed to, but then you might have recourse to witholding payment and dismissing them, if you were smart enough to avoid paying them in advance before the session commences like most dishonest prostitutes demand you do before they proceed to cheat you.

My recommendation is that you may go as far as suggesting that you are willing to display the money to her, let it be counted, and even leave it on a table or shelf from where she may collect it but only after the session is completed before she leaves. In this way, if her concern is that she may be cheated by you if you refuse to pay at the end or say you don't have enough money, this suggestion should be sufficient to prove that you have enough money for her and that you are ready to pay it. So if the girl still insists that you must pay her up front, it is not a good sign because there really isn't any good reason for it, and most likely she does not intend to give you good service and you will not want to pay her later. Therefore, it is a reasonable recommendation that you should pass on such a girl and dismiss her.

If you decide to go along with it and pay her up front as she demands, for whatever reason, such as she is the most beautiful girl you have ever seen and you don't want to lose her, or whatever, then know that you are taking a chance. Sometimes it will be a good outcome and sometimes it will not.)

Therefore, if the thing that you want her to do is a "deal breaker" for you as to which if you had known she was going to say "NO" in advance, you would never have agreed to take her, then you MUST speak about it and obtain explicit agreement in advance. If it is a detail that is something you like but can also forgo, then you have a choice of not getting into discussing it in advance in order not to clutter the negociations with unnecessary details, and hoping for the best and that your charms will sway her to give you what you want, and then if she does not, it is no big deal. Or you can discuss it up front also.

HAKAN DEMIR, another admitted newbie asks: "how do you ask a girl about her services? Most of the time when I begin talking about what they do or not, they don't like talking about that and turn their back. Mostly common answer is 'I will make you so happy'. For example I am a fan of bareback and deep throat blowjobs, but how should I enter the topic?"

Perhaps try to be succinct and reduce the amount of conversation on such topics to the minimum necessary for an agreement to be made. For example, after some pleasantries and sufficient conversation for you to assess the girl's chemistry with you and whether she will provide a good session, during which time she has suggested sex for money, you need to ask about services that are "deal breakers" for you. Perhaps simply state that you enjoy oral sex "bez preservativ" (without condom) and deep, and these are your "deal breakers". A real prostitute has heard everything already. You should be able to discuss sevices details with her.

If a girl cannot even discuss a sexual act at all with you, then you will probably not be able to obtain that service from her and you should pass on her.

Or go to places like FKK's or brothels where discussion of services is expected and is the norm.

If you've been going around a regular nightclub asking normal girls about giving you bareback deep throat, then I don't wonder at the reaction you described. But if it's a WG with whom you were speaking, then her turning her back to you is a sgn that she is not into doing that and you wouldn't want her anyway. So move on untill you find a WG who is interested in your money.

[Kris420]

Did anyone try these girls? Care to share their experience?

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5618

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5317

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=5645

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=3481

[LilJoey]

I will be in Kiev in March and I am interested in your services plus any other recommendations you have during my stay. I require a interpreter as well.

Thanks

You are either a phony working with this lady to get her business. Or the most ignorant newbie I've ever seen. This lady expressly says in her posts she wants "high prices" which means she is greedy, and she is average looking for Kiev. There are a number of well reviewed massage salons mentioned on this forum which have low prices and pretty girls like salon dolly or raquena. But don't bother to read the thread. Perhaps it is better you should learn the hard way why that is important.

[Hillty]

Hello,

I am Elena I am 27 I make nice erotic massages in Kiev.

I will be in Kiev in March and I am interested in your services plus any other recommendations you have during my stay. I require a interpreter as well.

Thanks

[Climaxnow]

Moulin Rouge is not a scam. But someone did post on this forum to skew business that way. I will assume you are connected to the venue. I see it as my duty to help inexperienced hobbyists not be misguided or ripped off. If your going to promote your club, please do it straight up and not through a fabricated report.

[Tomux 22]

I think Russian Cupid is a good site. You will find a lot normal girls there.

Yes there is some fake profiles at this site, but its very easy too see by the way they write too you.

[LivingColor]

I got to call B. S. When I see it. First Slavophile promoting Warsaw Moulin Rouge and now Stavroos with Russian Cupid (scam site).

Must be the soccer games and all the anticipated views to this forum. Be careful of any direction that pops up here within the next 6 months.

Climaxnow, do you think Russian Cupid and Moulin Rough in Warsaw are scams? I was thinking of going to Moulin rouge in Warsaw. Should I avoid it? Any tip appreciated.

[Latexian2]

In my experience WG's in the FSU will bring up the money question within 2 minutes or so. Often there's a little small talk asking for each others' names, which country you're from, why you're in Kiev. The next phrase is often something along the lines of "what are your plans for the rest of the night?" or "are you looking for some company?"

If you are your answer should be something like "I want to have a great time tonight with a beautiful woman like you."

Pretty simple, and the whole process usually takes just 30 seconds to a few minutes. I think you will have more difficulty in trying to keep a conversation going without money coming up to try to see what kind of girl she is and if you have any chemistry before committing.

Also in my experience WG's will be obvious by how much they eye-fuck you. While there's a lot more eye contact in the FSU than in the USA for instance, still WG's will basically stare at you bug-eyed as long as you are staring back, instead of just a few second glance like with most normal girls.

[Hakan Demir]

thanks for the great report, it would help all newbies like me, but one question; how do you ask a girl about her services? most of the time when i begin talking about what they do or not, they don't like talking about that and turn their back. mostly common answer.

is 'i will make you so happy'. for example i am a fan of bareback and deep throat blowjobs, but how should i enter the topic?

thanks

this is a good newbie question which i will answer as to how i would do it. others may have done it differently.

i always had the same question you ask. some guys claim to be able to look at a girl's nose and be able to tell if she is a wg. some guys can tell by looking at her ass. some guys base this idea on how she is dressed, and some on the way she looks at you. it may all be a fantasy in their head. or they may be correct. the only way to know for sure is to have conversation with her and get to the point of asking her if she would like to go with you back to your apartment. you may not mention money to her first because she may not be a working girl and she may become angry or upset at you for insulting her and her friends may beat you up. but you can be sure that if she is a working girl, that somewhere in that conversation she will ask you for money. she must. because if she does not mention the money before she goes to your apartment, she does not know if you will agree to her price. she knows that you can say no, and then she must leave and she wasted all that time coming to your apartment. so keep quiet about money until she mentions it. maybe it is your lucky day and you are getting a freebie? when she mentions money and asks a price, then you can begin to negotiate on price, time and services.

this process of chatting with girls who appeal to you in clubs until you find a working girl and then negotiate a price that you can accept etc is time consuming. it is one of the reasons that i prefer to go to rio strip club where i know in advance that most of the girls will go to my apartment for sex for money. the process is much more efficient, speedy and certain at a place like rio (or the old river palace) where only working girls are gathered. in a regular nightclub it takes a lot more time to find the working girls. also price is known beforehand at rio, whereas at nightclub it varies and must be negotiated.

lj

[Ronaldinjo]

Yes it time consuming, but worth trying if indeed there is a chance to grab 10. As for Rio or mamba girls, there is a posssibity to make pictures with them, what is there politics or its individual? Should you tip them in addition to agreed fee?

Thank you.

[Prosal]

This is a good newbie question which I will answer as to how I would do it. Others may have done it differently.

Intuition is your best weapon. Every "professional" monger should be able to say within 30 seconds which girl is a pro, which is a greedy piranha, and which is a genuine freebie with no materialistic expectations. Many guys fail miserably at that though.

[LilJoey]

you had a great time i see, congratulations, but why you even one visit rio?

people, maybe you know how i can recognise take out girls in buddha bar, delux and shooters?

thanks in advance.

this is a good newbie question which i will answer as to how i would do it. others may have done it differently.

i always had the same question you ask. some guys claim to be able to look at a girl's nose and be able to tell if she is a wg. some guys can tell by looking at her ass. some guys base this idea on how she is dressed, and some on the way she looks at you. it may all be a fantasy in their head. or they may be correct. the only way to know for sure is to have conversation with her and get to the point of asking her if she would like to go with you back to your apartment. you may not mention money to her first because she may not be a working girl and she may become angry or upset at you for insulting her and her friends may beat you up. but you can be sure that if she is a working girl, that somewhere in that conversation she will ask you for money. she must. because if she does not mention the money before she goes to your apartment, she does not know if you will agree to her price. she knows that you can say no, and then she must leave and she wasted all that time coming to your apartment. so keep quiet about money until she mentions it. maybe it is your lucky day and you are getting a freebie? when she mentions money and asks a price, then you can begin to negotiate on price, time and services.

this process of chatting with girls who appeal to you in clubs until you find a working girl and then negotiate a price that you can accept etc is time consuming. it is one of the reasons that i prefer to go to rio strip club where i know in advance that most of the girls will go to my apartment for sex for money. the process is much more efficient, speedy and certain at a place like rio (or the old river palace) where only working girls are gathered. in a regular nightclub it takes a lot more time to find the working girls. also price is known beforehand at rio, whereas at nightclub it varies and must be negotiated.

lj

[Ronaldinjo]

You had a great time I see, congratulations, but why you even one visit Rio?

People, maybe you know how I can recognise take out girls in buddha bar, delux and shooters?

Thanks in advance.

[Climaxnow]

I got to call B. S. When I see it. First Slavophile promoting Warsaw Moulin Rouge and now Stavroos with Russian Cupid (scam site).

Must be the soccer games and all the anticipated views to this forum. Be careful of any direction that pops up here within the next 6 months.