Kyiv

[NorskKing]

just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip.

I have no intention to start a debate but I am sorry, but I do not agree that game is overrated. Neither do I agree that you need to dream to find nice quality girls in strip clubs. On the contrary, there is more chance to find it as the establishment make efforts to attract better girls. You need to understand one thing, not every beautiful girl have an option to flee the country (maybe most does, but now every girl with opportunity). There will be a large percentage of them who have an unavoidable dependency to be in that city / country. There are also tons of students moving to Kiev from other small villages who can be brave enough to be visible (if they are sure that there is no connection in Kiev that could lead to her family to know about her work).

Anyways, I strongly think that my observation is very strongly contradicting yours, but like I said, I am no expert in Kiev, I am just a psychologist by profession.

[NorskKing]

No idea myself. All I can say that this service has been offered for a while. It caught my eye as well, and for the last 4 years I wanted to start with it upon every arrival to Kiev, even made a note in the to-do list, writing down the phone number and URL, but then somehow got distracted.

Back in the day there was a much more grandiose offering from another establishment. They had the whole hotel floor available for rent, with girls, security at the entrance, and even optional BDSM session, humiliating some of the ladies, or, for an additional fee the administrator herself..

If this is on offer for a while, then I would think that there is demand for it. I would think if there is more than one establishment offering this, then there would be competition and hence possibilities of good services. I will give it a try and update this thread when I do. Thanks PhotoSlider for your insights.

[DramaFree11]

Game is over rated. I like to browse the Shooters photo gallery and often see the same expat every week. Their's a reason why he's always in that club and it has nothing to do with the bar just being a great place to hang out. The girls see him there over and over and over again. To the point he's a real person they can easily size up. That familiarity is a fricken tool far beyond game.

Just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip.

The migration issue is huge, so many people have left Ukraine, not just females, males as well. (Best and Brightest Are Leaving) There are just so few legit opportunists there that there is no reason to stay anymore. There was a time were you could get a legit job and make good money in Kiev, but those days are long gone. You can live a much better life in Europe or Abroad.

The 4 things you need in Kiev to be successful in Ukraine.

1. Time and Street Game.

2. Money.

3. Reasonable to low expectations.

4. Not be afraid of rejection and not easily offended.

[Riina]

Game is over rated. I like to browse the Shooters photo gallery and often see the same expat every week. Their's a reason why he's always in that club and it has nothing to do with the bar just being a great place to hang out. The girls see him there over and over and over again. To the point he's a real person they can easily size up. That familiarity is a fricken tool far beyond game.

Just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip club.

[PhotoSlider]

...BTW, can you guys please suggest me about the nude cooking services offered in the link in my previous post? Is this reliable?

No idea myself. All I can say that this service has been offered for a while. It caught my eye as well, and for the last 4 years I wanted to start with it upon every arrival to Kiev, even made a note in the to-do list, writing down the phone number and URL, but then somehow got distracted.

Back in the day there was a much more grandiose offering from another establishment. They had the whole hotel floor available for rent, with girls, security at the entrance, and even optional BDSM session, humiliating some of the ladies, or, for an additional fee the administrator herself.

For a very special fee, I think it was quoted at $100 K or maybe $500 K, one could burn down the whole hotel. Certainly without anybody in it.

Seriously speaking, massage girls may agree for HJ, but getting the ultimate prize is tricky. I would say 25-50% chance. I succeeded twice with two different girls, both times inviting them to my apartment after making DATY acquaintance at the massage headquarters first.

I think you can make easier arrangements with the girls you already know. Try asking Agata about RPG, she may find it fascinating.

Discussing this with agency will result in extra charge, I would rather try my luck with the girl when she is already at your premises. Maybe even just do it, without any preliminary conversation. Make reservations for 2-3 hours, buy simple products for a salad, or a chicken noodle soup and help her to help you. Long legged blondes, brunettes and redheads look so gorgeous in the kitchen apron without any underwear, especially when you are right behind her, guiding and helping in the most delicate manner.

Apologies for my daydreaming and getting carried away.

[NorskKing]

No idea how old or fit NorskKing is. He gambled and won by having some luck, and mostly by playing his cards right.

Going for a massage after a great night with a girl, and not even remembering the name of facility. This is so Kiev!

Feel threatened, cheated, insecure and you will be taken advantage of. Behave confident but not provoking anybody, and things may work out magically.

Wasn't cheap but those are episodes in the life to remember. Hope NorskKing did not forget to get her Viber.

Thanks PhotoSlider and MagicSheep74, I like running in my spare time, which kept me fit. You are right, I think this hobby is a gamble in itself if you are not trying to develop some semi-long relation ship. The moment the girl proved herself to be mechanical, I figured that I lost in my gamble. But getting frustrated will never help, neither will getting impatient with the girl. So I gave up on good sex at that moment, and was hoping to squeeze out good time. I was well rewarded for that.

I am not an expert in Kiev, but I think there seems to be better chance of success than in western europe.

BTW, can you guys please suggest me about the nude cooking services offered in the link in my previous post? Is this reliable? Looks like a good experience, and at the same time I like the challenge to patiently sex up the sexy chef without her knowledge.

[PhotoSlider]

...So looking back into the night, my pathetic night with a mechanical girl converted into a super GFE experience. The general expression in this Ukraine thread is correct. Girls here like confident guys, who stick to their opinions and are not super bendy to impress the girls. I was not. At the same time be respectful to them, don't treat them like trash. "The game is, to keep the balance between treating them nice, but still not bend to everything they want"...

Excellent honest report. Great way to overcome the obstacles and eventually enjoy the scenery.

Did impressing the girl with really nice apartment help? Yes and no. Could have gone either way. Rio and Scarlette are prepay, and management always sides with the girl. She might have slammed the door and walked out on him, but she stayed. Why? Not sure how new she is in the business. Perhaps it was late enough to return to Club for another customer and she felt safe around NorskKing? He didn't make a scene by saying she is a bad person. Instead he firmly explained his expectations and resolved misunderstanding. This demonstrates that as important as common language of communication is, it is not everything. Kiev girls do not feel obligated to anybody. Sense of freedom is engraved in their young souls, and they relate on subconscious level:

- Does he like me?

- Am I going to have a better time with him than somewhere else?

Ukrainian language is gaining more ground, especially with the younger generation. Russian is still much more prevalent in Kiev, than in Western regions of the country. Maybe google doesn't do such a great job for Ukrainian, especially translating from non Slavic group of languages. Didn't matter anyway.

No idea how old or fit NorskKing is. He gambled and won by having some luck, and mostly by playing his cards right.

Going for a massage after a great night with a girl, and not even remembering the name of facility. This is so Kiev!

Feel threatened, cheated, insecure and you will be taken advantage of. Behave confident but not provoking anybody, and things may work out magically.

Wasn't cheap but those are episodes in the life to remember. Hope NorskKing did not forget to get her Viber.

[MagicSheep74]

Warning, long post.

The info is few weeks old, I posted my first day report of vising Rio club and then on the second day I met our fellow forum member Cachorro for lunch and we had a quick exchange of opinions and info. We soon found that we both are on the same page on the things we are looking for, so we decided that we will go out together as a team to Scarlett club (I know, very expensive place, many other smarter options, but we decided to go for a lazy option). That evening Cachorro came to my apartment and we had couple of drinks before we left to Scarlett. It took us few minutes to realize that this place was run by same management. This club felt as if it was couple of mini strips fused together into the same building (but it was not, its just the way they run it with different managers to each part of this club). Me and Cachorro sat on te top floor and started looking at the dancers who were dancing for one song with clothes on and then for the second song they strip the top and then when the song finishes, vanishes into another part of the club where the settings are little different. So we were sitting there having few drinks sharing our opinion on each girl and what we like and what we don't and what we are looking for in that setup. After one hour Cachorro wanted to leave the place as he did not like any with the features he was looking for (I agree, there was none with what he was looking for, lets leave it to that) he said goodbye and left, as I decided to spend some more time to find the girl of my type. I did not realize that when Cachorro left, he already paid for my two drinks (Thank you man, it was not necessary, I owe you one and I will try to repay you next time we meet). I was looking for a pale smooth skin, young yet busty girl with still some real smile (not the smile they are trained to put on their face). This combo was difficult to find in a place like that (I know) but hey, no one can stop me from hoping. After having many more drinks and tipping 100 UAH to every girl who did really dance well, I was about to give up and tried the mini bar downstairs..

Nicely done, you turned it all around. I have never been to this Scarlett place, but had a reasonably satisfactory time with a girl from Rio. She was a pretty tall blond, but for some reason she had a pussy like a dying man's handshake. Possibly she had kids. !

Enjoy your adventures.

[NorskKing]

Warning, long post.

The info is few weeks old, I posted my first day report of vising Rio club and then on the second day I met our fellow forum member Cachorro for lunch and we had a quick exchange of opinions and info. We soon found that we both are on the same page on the things we are looking for, so we decided that we will go out together as a team to Scarlett club (I know, very expensive place, many other smarter options, but we decided to go for a lazy option). That evening Cachorro came to my apartment and we had couple of drinks before we left to Scarlett. It took us few minutes to realize that this place was run by same management. This club felt as if it was couple of mini strips fused together into the same building (but it was not, its just the way they run it with different managers to each part of this club). Me and Cachorro sat on te top floor and started looking at the dancers who were dancing for one song with clothes on and then for the second song they strip the top and then when the song finishes, vanishes into another part of the club where the settings are little different. So we were sitting there having few drinks sharing our opinion on each girl and what we like and what we don't and what we are looking for in that setup. After one hour Cachorro wanted to leave the place as he did not like any with the features he was looking for (I agree, there was none with what he was looking for, lets leave it to that) he said goodbye and left, as I decided to spend some more time to find the girl of my type. I did not realize that when Cachorro left, he already paid for my two drinks (Thank you man, it was not necessary, I owe you one and I will try to repay you next time we meet). I was looking for a pale smooth skin, young yet busty girl with still some real smile (not the smile they are trained to put on their face). This combo was difficult to find in a place like that (I know) but hey, no one can stop me from hoping. After having many more drinks and tipping 100 UAH to every girl who did really dance well, I was about to give up and tried the mini bar downstairs. Here I saw a girl Agata with exact features of what I was looking for. I talked to the manager and said I want to talk to her, and soon realized that she does not speak even one word of English. Just with signs we agreed for a private dance and she was smoking hot in there. Without any success on further communication, I still decided to take her to my apartment. I rented really nice apartment and when she came to place, she was impressed. I could tell from her expressions. But this did not directly translate in to good service in bed. She immediately asked me to shower (I was cautious about my stuff and did a quick shower) and then she showered and we came to bed. She directly jumped to the sex part and was very mechanical without any pleasure on her part. After 5 minutes, she expressed that she is done and cannot do more and ran to the bathroom to shower. I was pretty pissed at this point, but did not say anything. When she came out of the shower with a towel wrapped, I unlocked my phone and started the google translate app in the "conversation mode" set to translate between English <- Ukrainian. She did not understand anything, but then we were able communicate when I changed Ukrainian to Russian (Strange that she did not understand any Ukrainian translation) I told her that if she does not like me she could have told me at the club and she can leave if she wants giving me half the money as it was only 45 minutes past our deal. And I think there was something that got lost in translation, as she understood that I do not like her and want her to leave. It took me 15 minutes to communicate to her what I intended through this translate app. By this time, our communication was getting very natural and we were tuning in to the app very naturally. My attempt to convince her that I like her and she is pretty and at the same time being straight that she can leave if she wants to be mechanical like the way she was before, turned some switch in her. She suddenly became more flirty (in a natural way). I told her that I want to eat her pussy, for which she denied and I was stubborn that sooner or later that night I will eat her pussy. For this she was getting turned on. We had few glasses of champagne that was left in my fridge and we were communicating pretty well at this point. But every word was going though the phone app, even though it was not at all odd at this point. At 4 AM, we were drunk and having a smoke in the balcony, with me eating her pussy and her teabagging me for returning my favor. The details are little foggy at this point, I do remember that we were drinking a lot of alcohol, making a lot of jokes, she was sucking my balls and I was eating her pussy (many times) and then we went to the bed and I did her in doggy. Now came the moans (very very natural ones) but I did not come. I was too tired for that. I woke up with her in my arms at 7 AM and she wanted to leave for some made up reason (I did not attempt to stop her). She called a taxi and kissed me goodbye.

So looking back into the night, my pathetic night with a mechanical girl converted into a super GFE experience. The general expression in this Ukraine thread is correct. Girls here like confident guys, who stick to their opinions and are not super bendy to impress the girls. I was not. At the same time be respectful to them, don't treat them like trash. "The game is, to keep the balance between treating them nice, but still not bend to everything they want".

Since I did not finish that night, For which I have absolute no regrets. I went to a massage place (have no clue which place that was, google erotic massage, ubered to t and released the pressure in my balls). It was 800 UAH with a hot blonde in her thirties who was very energetic in doing what she supposed to do. Nothing much to talk about this massage place.

Next time I am there, I was thinking to try something different. I was reading about this site http://alluremassage.net/unforgettab...-cooking-kiev/ and it looks super interesting. I would love to have someone cook for me naked. Not sure if this is being discussed here but I would like to know your opinion. Like I always say, sex is not that hard to get if you have money, but new experience is. I am hunting for new erotic adventures and not just sex.

[Riina]

NorskKing and Auaind. Its just a laugh. I have been to Kiev twice and these were just some of my observations. I now have a Ukrainian born girlfriend, who was raised in Lithuania. Luckily for me she doesn't have the more ruthless / scamming personality that quite often Ukrainian's possess. She actually likes me treating her well, Ukrainians see kindness as a weakness, so they really do prefer there local men, looks are not important etc. The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary.

Be aware of a long term relationship with a local. A very rich friend of mine married a very beautiful girl from Kiev and they moved to his house in Marbella. Spain. 6 months in and she hired 2 Ukrainians guys to run him down in a car which lead to his death. Before she could get his money, the police captured her and she is now in prison.

Sorry that you could never go beyond feeling like a target in Kiev. You clearly have no idea how many girls are looking for daddies in Ukraine.

[MagicSheep74]

Normally I do not reply to posts but your post made me laugh and wonder of to what kind of bad experience you had in Kiev to think this. Maybe you are just being sarcastic!

NorskKing and Auaind. Its just a laugh. I have been to Kiev twice and these were just some of my observations. I now have a Ukrainian born girlfriend, who was raised in Lithuania. Luckily for me she doesn't have the more ruthless / scamming personality that quite often Ukrainian's possess. She actually likes me treating her well, Ukrainians see kindness as a weakness, so they really do prefer there local men, looks are not important etc. The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary.

Be aware of a long term relationship with a local. A very rich friend of mine married a very beautiful girl from Kiev and they moved to his house in Marbella. Spain. 6 months in and she hired 2 Ukrainians guys to run him down in a car which lead to his death. Before she could get his money, the police captured her and she is now in prison.

[NorskKing]

Normally I do not reply to posts but your post made me laugh and wonder of to what kind of bad experience you had in Kiev to think this. Maybe you are just being sarcastic!

I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality..

[Auaind]

I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality.

6. Have no sense of humour.

7. look like you have just be released from prison.

8. Be unable to date any women outside the former soviet union countries.

9. Have lots of black market money to throw around until your killed or locked up in prison.

10. Allocate lots of funds for plastic surgery to your current prostitute / girlfriend.

Gets all these right, and you might be in with a chance at dating one of these shallow, bottom feeding, hollow pieces of garbage until they find some other pot bellied Ukrainian with a larger illegal bank account.

Happy days.

Hilarious!! Nearly fell of my chair! Brilliant assessment and I did see quite a bit of this on my short trip!!

[Mathew1984]

Greetings Everyone.

*Warning long post*.

It feels like an age since I've posted anything (probably years) but that's probably more down to me sticking to my tried-and-tested destinations (Dubai. East Africa, Thailand) and there's no shortage of information on those places.

So I find myself with some spare time (and airmiles) over the weekend and decided go somewhere different. After a bit of research (a couple of beers chatting to some mates at the pub) I'm convinced to try Ukraine. Land of impossibly beautiful women. Suppliers to the brothels of the world including my beloved Dubai!! Why not go to the source? What could go wrong?

Ok so it's onto ISG for some information and I'm surprised at how little useful data there is to be found. For me, having been pursuing this hobby for 25+ years, that only means one of two things- there's so much easily available p*ssy (eg Kenya) around that there's really no need to exchange info OR the place is comatose and / or ridiculously expensive (Delhi). Most of the stuff I see on active forums like Thailand and Dubai is a lot of noise and very little signal- mostly insiders bantering with each other and telling newbies to "RTFF" instead of helping out..

Very nice post elaborate but feel sorry for the disappointment you had.

You should have led the girls you met. You simply said yes to everything they did.

Played their game. Next time make them play your game.

Also get a table if you can, those WG will come and sit with you. You walking around naaa, sit there like a king among all those hot women.

Let them see you. That 100 you gave to that stripper would have made you a king in the club.

[MagicSheep74]

Yes, agreed. Their's a lot of important details in Kozerog's reports that most readers will completely miss. I'd have to post a book here to share how they related to my own experiences.

I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality.

6. Have no sense of humour.

7. look like you have just be released from prison.

8. Be unable to date any women outside the former soviet union countries.

9. Have lots of black market money to throw around until your killed or locked up in prison.

10. Allocate lots of funds for plastic surgery to your current prostitute / girlfriend.

Gets all these right, and you might be in with a chance at dating one of these shallow, bottom feeding, hollow pieces of garbage until they find some other pot bellied Ukrainian with a larger illegal bank account.

Happy days.