Kyiv

[How14]

Bah, your humour is something similar to that Bez Bezarra's. Maybe you will end at the same way?

Yes bed, who could forget him? Some great posts, you and him didn't get along to well as I recall? I personally miss guys like Dr Skank, and him, don't see much of Irish lads posts now either, he always told it like it was, now what we got on here? What about that hunter fellah? Long tall stories were never ending.

[AColonizer]

Bah, your humour is something similar to that Bez Bezarra's. Maybe you will end at the same way?

Hickory dickory dock!! Some dyev soska my huy!

Sorry for my delayed awakening dude, but all you guys surely owe the Diceman due props for his long history of posting good insights on the scene. As for changing handles Jojo, don't let that stand in the way, it's just something that happens from time to time, probably more than everyone knows. Wink!

In your case Colon-lizard, you've probably never understood and surely not now either. Anyone ever seen the six-inch long sharp claws on the very scary looking 10 foot tall stuffed Russian bear in the Director's Office at the Perm airport? If you have, or you can at least imagine that beast alive, hungry, and pissed-off at you, you will understand my point about a weakened Motherland backed into the corner of her bear-cave. If you don't want to have your head torn off and kicked around like a soccer ball like at the end of Hostel II, you should avoid poking the bear with a pointy stick. If you give the bear enough honey, he will be satisfied and take a nap, instead of tearing you to pieces and eating you for lunch.

I do concede that if you grew up under the shadow of the Iron Curtain, then you would and should look at Russia differently, but I don't recall you ever mentioning that is your history Colon-gizzards. I thought you were Italian. Anyway, and hopefully for the last time, whether its Omsk, Ufa, Kazan, or Samara, these provincial capitals, and many others, await your investment and exploration. Even if you just try this option once, it will surely widen your perspectives and enhance your understanding of the subtle pleasantries that are not found in a place like Kiev.

Sure there is a political angle, if you choose to look at it from that view, but its much more about the kind of mongering possibilities that you can find, if you have enough balls to step off the beaten path and go your own way.

[Samcik]

I hate saying this but after visiting 3 times Russia and 1 Kiev in past 2 month we came came to the collective decision with my partners that for many reasons Russia is the better place for mongering now. I love Ukraine and ukrainian people, have been in this country so many times that I lost count but I would not travel to this country for mongering anymore.

[LuisVega11]

Hi Suka,

I posted that maybe its an edge, I don't know, but it works for me, but I still sometimes call agencies for some p+p, but even when I call the various agencies I can get 8's and the odd 9 for 1200, sometimes even 1000. So I don't know why there are people out there moaning on about "all the best girls have left" that's not how I see it, the places I frequent are full of tasty girls, for instance there is a salsa club called Buena Vista, its in the center, rammed full of girls, all desperate for some guy to hit the dance floor, I have been drinking with Ukrainian guys on a Friday / Saturday night, they took me down in Podil, then in a taxi to some club that was full of women, I ended up with a 22 yr old, who insisted on carrying my guitar for me back to my apartment, next thing we are in my kitchen and she's singing songs and asking me to play this, play that. Couldn't shut her up, this girl was easily a 7, body was 9, her clothes hid her body, spent 2 days with her, and we good friends. I just think you guys looking in wrong places, hardcore girls will want $200-$300 .

8 9 1200 gryvna. Lot of agency. I my opinion you have probably a low scale, because my 8 and 9 will never cost 1200 gryvna in Kiev. Look Kiev-x in and see what the Ukrainian, who speak language and all, fuck for 600 or 800 gryvna. I know many guys in Kiev, sometimes they appear with girl that looks pretty normal and told me before they looked like model. So I understand everybody has it's view of things.

Been many time at Buena vista social in Veliko zhitomirska. Great Cuban guy running the place. I have never seen any girl I'd say more than 7. Sometimes a casual 8 in my scale. Mostly 6 or pretty normal girl, mostly girl I not consider particularly beautiful. It's great place with less soviet mentality than other place in Kiev, but the level of girl is not on par with other place.

[InsomniacTales]

"disappointing and expensive trips" are the two words that almost all mongers will depart with when they leave Kiev.

For me it was just an illusion. As for many I suspect. I followed the hype, and one temporary lucky strike kept me going. After several trips I thought I had finally struck gold: I met an intelligent and fresh English speaking student stripper and saw her a few more times, she often refused money. But she seemed to have stopped working and disappeared. A few thousand dollars later and after several trips trying to find the equivalent all I seemed to get were scammers. The scene in Kiev is way too crowded now by the huge flow of tourists and wealthy Ukrainians. If you are in your 40's and non Russian speaking, finding an attractive girl is no easier than anywhere else. After being ripped off another 200 euro by a dating agency I decided to call it quits! I limit my trips there to work and eating!

[RocketMan0010]

Hi guys,

Kind of a newbie here- I don't monger often anymore, largely due to the mechanical nature of p2 p. Home in NYC I put in the effort to find and maintain few relationships, but when traveling the temptation of quick cheap fun dominates. I spent hours reading this thread and others in the forum, and I'm still not sure what to do with all the mixed info.

In short, my friends and I will be traveling through Kiev on a long layover. All in our 30's, good-looking, three out of the four speak Russian, and the fourth is a tall and muscular black dude: the Any suggestions on how to unwind without wasting time and too much money would be appreciated. I hate to be "that guy" who asks without offering anything in return, but I see no other choice at this point.

Reliable agencies? Some clubs that 4 youngish dudes can go with reasonably high chances of getting lucky? Thanks in advance, and happy hunting.

[Suka Shalava]

Hickory dickory dock!! Some dyev soska my huy!

Sorry for my delayed awakening dude, but all you guys surely owe the Diceman due props for his long history of posting good insights on the scene. As for changing handles Jojo, don't let that stand in the way, it's just something that happens from time to time, probably more than everyone knows. Wink!

In your case Colon-lizard, you've probably never understood and surely not now either. Anyone ever seen the six-inch long sharp claws on the very scary looking 10 foot tall stuffed Russian bear in the Director's Office at the Perm airport? If you have, or you can at least imagine that beast alive, hungry, and pissed-off at you, you will understand my point about a weakened Motherland backed into the corner of her bear-cave. If you don't want to have your head torn off and kicked around like a soccer ball like at the end of Hostel II, you should avoid poking the bear with a pointy stick. If you give the bear enough honey, he will be satisfied and take a nap, instead of tearing you to pieces and eating you for lunch.

I do concede that if you grew up under the shadow of the Iron Curtain, then you would and should look at Russia differently, but I don't recall you ever mentioning that is your history Colon-gizzards. I thought you were Italian. Anyway, and hopefully for the last time, whether its Omsk, Ufa, Kazan, or Samara, these provincial capitals, and many others, await your investment and exploration. Even if you just try this option once, it will surely widen your perspectives and enhance your understanding of the subtle pleasantries that are not found in a place like Kiev.

Sure there is a political angle, if you choose to look at it from that view, but its much more about the kind of mongering possibilities that you can find, if you have enough balls to step off the beaten path and go your own way.

[Jojosun]

When are you coming to Thailand? . Not many Russians here at moment, we don't like them here. Have you ever been to gentleman club Kinnareee in jomtien? Take your girl there, very relaxing place, 20/30 girls, good music, Jimmie Hendrix, playing, check it out.

Haven't booked yet, either mid March or after Songkran. Donetsk girl doesn't fancy Thai girls for a threesome so it has be Russian or UA girls there.

[Jojosun]

I tried to find who posted "I live full time in Kiev, and I'm working there as a musician, so I've got a good and easy "in" to hook up with the young ladies". I think Jojo posted that, just couldn't find it.

But let's be clear, living full time in Kiev & working in the music biz elevates you to a completely different category than the rest of us traveling fools. That's like the perfect combo to be highly connected and have the kind of game for ladies to differentiate you from almost all other standard p4 p mongers and sponsors. With that kind of situation, you're almost as well suited as the oligarchs and mafia! Ha!

, you say Russia's a A strong vibrant growing Russia is the best and safest thing for a stable Europe and the world community. Support the Russian economy. If you've already been to Ukraine, then you've done enough for Ukraine, its time to try something else. Try it, you'll like it.!

"Hey look, Mikey likes it Hey Mikey" I like it as well even when you're Taking the Mickey.

Support the Russian Economy? I say fuck the Russian economy, What are we, ISG or IMF members?

Russia doesn't need us (Lone Ppricks, dicks) or the IMF to support its economy now its got The BRICS.

If it wasn't for their fucked up economy at present, you wouldn't get their girls at 1/2 the price they were before the Ruble took the dive.

http://eburgdosug.com/girls.php?p1=2000&p2=2500

Where there's Muck there's Gold.

[How14]

It was How14. Surely a great position to be, and top it up with agencies that deliver exactly what is asked for. I forgot for a moment that ISG is just a place to impress strangers and actually wrote and asked How14 if he could share one of his agency numbers with me since I travel to Kiev almost every month, and sometimes find Mamba too time consuming. No reply, but no hard feelings How14. You do not know me and why share any usable information with a stranger. I also stopped sharing to people I never met, after learning that was mostly a one way street.

IMHO Kiev is not so hard as some of you write. Some days I strike out and not all the ones that I do meet up with are T1 quality, but I just keep fucking and every now and then hit the top marks. No use to complain of how things used to be, but better just hit all you stumble over, and enjoy the different flavors. Had three nights in town last trip and four girls. And always keep it around 100 USD. For sure the scene is different in the country side of any country as many here stated, but sometimes the country side comes to the capitol. Even McFuck at Khreschatyk is quite interesting again. But dress to impress, as always in the land of the vain.

After a very long, wet and fun Wednesday night at Shooters with Irish Lad and some other good lads, I ended up in an apartment on Basseina. Look for orange doors just next to Upstar Continental, almost right across the road from Dominos pizza. I was drunk but think I got off at the top floor. Paid 1500 including the taxi driver and shot my cum over the pussy of a 19 year old girl with big tits and a few kilos too much. She said with a smile "I better not get pregnant" and I responded with the standard Philippine "a baby is always a blessing" while washing my cock in her sink.

Time for some chocolate cake for Barba. Africa next week!

Keep it sleazy, boys!

Barbs,

I sent you a pm with a lot of numbers, I have photos to go with some of them numbers, but its to time consuming at moment, if you contact them just ask them to send you there pics, most of them are on viber. I have not sent you any numbers of what I call normal girls, girls I have met while I've been playing guitar, or just hanging out. I'm not willing to share them and in any case they are very innocent and would be offended by being contacted. But you have enough on your plate to be getting on with. Enjoy and let me know how you get on.

[Member #4491]

I tried to find who posted "I live full time in Kiev, and I'm working there as a musician, so I've got a good and easy "in" to hook up with the young ladies". I think Jojo posted that, just couldn't find it.

It was How14. Surely a great position to be, and top it up with agencies that deliver exactly what is asked for. I forgot for a moment that ISG is just a place to impress strangers and actually wrote and asked How14 if he could share one of his agency numbers with me since I travel to Kiev almost every month, and sometimes find Mamba too time consuming. No reply, but no hard feelings How14. You do not know me and why share any usable information with a stranger. I also stopped sharing to people I never met, after learning that was mostly a one way street.

IMHO Kiev is not so hard as some of you write. Some days I strike out and not all the ones that I do meet up with are T1 quality, but I just keep fucking and every now and then hit the top marks. No use to complain of how things used to be, but better just hit all you stumble over, and enjoy the different flavors. Had three nights in town last trip and four girls. And always keep it around 100 USD. For sure the scene is different in the country side of any country as many here stated, but sometimes the country side comes to the capitol. Even McFuck at Khreschatyk is quite interesting again. But dress to impress, as always in the land of the vain.

After a very long, wet and fun Wednesday night at Shooters with Irish Lad and some other good lads, I ended up in an apartment on Basseina. Look for orange doors just next to Upstar Continental, almost right across the road from Dominos pizza. I was drunk but think I got off at the top floor. Paid 1500 including the taxi driver and shot my cum over the pussy of a 19 year old girl with big tits and a few kilos too much. She said with a smile "I better not get pregnant" and I responded with the standard Philippine "a baby is always a blessing" while washing my cock in her sink.

Time for some chocolate cake for Barba. Africa next week!

Keep it sleazy, boys!

[AColonizer]

Maybe I didn't understand that, but I would avoid to talk about politics.

I tried to find who posted "I live full time in Kiev, and I'm working there as a musician, so I've got a good and easy "in" to hook up with the young ladies". I think Jojo posted that, just couldn't find it.

But let's be clear, living full time in Kiev & working in the music biz elevates you to a completely different category than the rest of us traveling fools. That's like the perfect combo to be highly connected and have the kind of game for ladies to differentiate you from almost all other standard p4 p mongers and sponsors. With that kind of situation, you're almost as well suited as the oligarchs and mafia! Ha!

Rina, you say Russia's a rough place. Well, depends on what neighborhoods you're wandering in. But again, your warning just focuses my point. Russia is not necessarily as easy, so that IS a reason why the risks and rewards are greater. The point is, as I repeat over and over, taking the road LESS traveled is the most interesting part of the adventure.

Easy ain't better. You shouldn't expect the best results if you're just lazy or afraid in intimidated. A strong vibrant growing Russia is the best and safest thing for a stable Europe and the world community. Support the Russian economy. If you've already been to Ukraine, then you've done enough for Ukraine, its time to try something else. Try it, you'll like it. Hey look, Mikey likes it Hey Mikey!

[How14]

I tried to find who posted "I live full time in Kiev, and I'm working there as a musician, so I've got a good and easy "in" to hook up with the young ladies". I think Jojo posted that, just couldn't find it.

But let's be clear, living full time in Kiev & working in the music biz elevates you to a completely different category than the rest of us traveling fools. That's like the perfect combo to be highly connected and have the kind of game for ladies to differentiate you from almost all other standard p4 p mongers and sponsors. With that kind of situation, you're almost as well suited as the oligarchs and mafia! Ha!

Rina, you say Russia's a rough place. Well, depends on what neighborhoods you're wandering in. But again, your warning just focuses my point. Russia is not necessarily as easy, so that IS a reason why the risks and rewards are greater. The point is, as I repeat over and over, taking the road LESS traveled is the most interesting part of the adventure.

Easy ain't better. You shouldn't expect the best results if you're just lazy or afraid in intimidated. A strong vibrant growing Russia is the best and safest thing for a stable Europe and the world community. Support the Russian economy. If you've already been to Ukraine, then you've done enough for Ukraine, its time to try something else. Try it, you'll like it. Hey look, Mikey likes it Hey Mikey!

Hi Suka,

I posted that maybe its an edge, I don't know, but it works for me, but I still sometimes call agencies for some p+p, but even when I call the various agencies I can get 8's and the odd 9 for 1200, sometimes even 1000. So I don't know why there are people out there moaning on about "all the best girls have left" that's not how I see it, the places I frequent are full of tasty girls, for instance there is a salsa club called Buena Vista, its in the center, rammed full of girls, all desperate for some guy to hit the dance floor, I have been drinking with Ukrainian guys on a Friday / Saturday night, they took me down in Podil, then in a taxi to some club that was full of women, I ended up with a 22 yr old, who insisted on carrying my guitar for me back to my apartment, next thing we are in my kitchen and she's singing songs and asking me to play this, play that. Couldn't shut her up, this girl was easily a 7, body was 9, her clothes hid her body, spent 2 days with her, and we good friends. I just think you guys looking in wrong places, hardcore girls will want $200-$300 .

[How14]

Hi,

My hands are more than full at present in London and on the other side of the waters. Following very consistent positive reports about Swiss Angie, I paid her a visit and left with a big smile on my face. Angie was there before Paris started, a very nice girl inside and out, a solid 8+ and for 40/15 minutes including a very stimulating convo.

I am taking my regular Donetsk girl to Thailand for holiday and she will scout & infiltrate the Russian contingent in Jomtien. Good job she & I like the same type of girls.

More than happy to look you up in Kiev but not in the summer as I don't go there during those months.

When are you coming to Thailand? I'm here till mid April. Yes swiss Angie, what a diamond she was. Not many Russians here at moment, we don't like them here. Have you ever been to gentleman club Kinnareee in jomtien? Take your girl there, very relaxing place, 20/30 girls, good music, Jimmie Hendrix, dylan etc playing, check it out.

[Suka Shalava]

I tried to find who posted "I live full time in Kiev, and I'm working there as a musician, so I've got a good and easy "in" to hook up with the young ladies". I think Jojo posted that, just couldn't find it.

But let's be clear, living full time in Kiev & working in the music biz elevates you to a completely different category than the rest of us traveling fools. That's like the perfect combo to be highly connected and have the kind of game for ladies to differentiate you from almost all other standard p4 p mongers and sponsors. With that kind of situation, you're almost as well suited as the oligarchs and mafia! Ha!

Rina, you say Russia's a rough place. Well, depends on what neighborhoods you're wandering in. But again, your warning just focuses my point. Russia is not necessarily as easy, so that IS a reason why the risks and rewards are greater. The point is, as I repeat over and over, taking the road LESS traveled is the most interesting part of the adventure.

Easy ain't better. You shouldn't expect the best results if you're just lazy or afraid in intimidated. A strong vibrant growing Russia is the best and safest thing for a stable Europe and the world community. Support the Russian economy. If you've already been to Ukraine, then you've done enough for Ukraine, its time to try something else. Try it, you'll like it. Hey look, Mikey likes it Hey Mikey!