Kyiv

[CallSign Papa]

One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices.

Twas ever thus Stevie. I suspect the problem is those guys who visit Kiev but have no knowledge of resources like this site (and therefore no benchmark) and who then overpay.

[LuisVega11]

Your report is the correct. High End Girls have many option and for the most part are not even interested in Foreign Guys. They will laugh at 1000 Grv, this has been the case for years.

As far as salaries, there is just no way of knowing the truth, but most of my friends were making $500-$1000 a month and could make more, but they were lazy. Money does not motivated Ukraine girls as girls from the states. They make enough to travel and pay there bills.

I'd say even medium to high quality have tons of possibility. I have many friend I won't consider them more than 6 or 7 in my scale who are traveling practically all summer, my best friend in 40 days have been France Spain Italy 2 times, and they collect much more money than what many here thinks. I have never met a person who seems to lie with 200 dollar month, sen if they work with salary near 300. Every nice in girl have tons of possibility. That's why most report shows lot of failure or Mamba as last resources to find pussy, mostly very low quality.

Sure there are some desperate in Ukraine who will collect even 400 gryvna hour.

[Jojosun]

Hello,

Apart from mamba, which websites do you suggest for long term relationship?

Thanks,

Karete.

Finding girls are the easiest part, But you need expert advise to make relationships last a long time.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com

[DramaFree11]

If you want fuck high level girl in Kiev you need money or other skill. Point.

The rest are talk. For 1000 gryvna, if the girl is only interested in money, you fuck mediocre to normal girl. Sure you can be happy cause at home maybe you not have a great sexual life, but.

This is the truth.

Kiev-x. In.

Go to this website and see what Ukrainian. Not foreigner fuck for 800 1000 gryvna.

If you want fuck high level girl but don't have one you need to be Brad Pitt and introduced to the girl by some man in their circle.

I'm talking of beautiful girl.

Your report is the correct. High End Girls have many option and for the most part are not even interested in Foreign Guys. They will laugh at 1000 Grv, this has been the case for years.

As far as salaries, there is just no way of knowing the truth, but most of my friends were making $500-$1000 a month and could make more, but they were lazy. Money does not motivated Ukraine girls as girls from the states. They make enough to travel and pay there bills.

[KareteKid90]

Hello,

Apart from mamba, which websites do you suggest for long term relationship?

Thanks,

Karete.

[CherchezFemme]

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Beauty is no guarantee of good sex.

Amen. A lot of posters in the Kiev forum should heed those words.

[CherchezFemme]

Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?

Stupid 20 year old girls will spend that much. I told them to take public transportation! Do they listen? No.

You can only teach those who wish to learn.

These girls need older men in their life to guide them.

You did not read the rest of my posts carefully. I saw exactly what the girls were paying on Yandex taxi. From left bank to my neighborhood in right bank during afternoon, the price is well above 100 hrivna.

Maybe local taxi company charges less? I don't know.

[LuisVega11]

Greetings,

This is my third report this year. In my previous reports, I gave a general outline of my preferred methods, practice, and philosophy. Here, to avoid being too repetitive, I will instead do a play by play. Well, actually just the highlights, and the lowlights.

However, before I get to that point, I will address a couple of issues that have been discussed recently on this forum. Again, just my 2 cents.

One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices. There are two ways to address the problem. One way is to plead and beg, and hope that people out there stop thinking with their penises and refuse to pay exorbitant prices. For people who come only once and for a short time, all the pleading will fall on deaf ears because they want to get at least some action while they are here. However, they could stay home and spend the money better. A second way to address the problem is to tell everyone that the only way they will get high quality girls is to spend MORE than they would normally have to spend at home, so they might as well stay home. Oddly, the main person proselytizing this idea indicates that he, and only he, can get manage to pay low prices (never more than $50 USD) for supermodel types. Yes, being a long term resident or a repeat visitor has its advantages, but surely the difference is not so vast.

The same person who has never paid more than $50 argues that the rest of us will have to pay 200-300 USD to get top-shelf action. Let us up that into perspective. Three hundred USD, or 7500 UAH, could easily be the monthly wage of many of the girls we see every day (cashiers, sellers, secretaries, administrative assistants, etc). I know a woman who supports herself and her young son on 240 USD per month (She actually gets paid with USD, which is why I am not using UAH in this case). If we extend this logic, top shelf action back home would cost one month's wages. These women are presumably so hot that they can demand 2 to 4 thousand dollars for one hour of work. I do not think anyone's standards are so high, but if they are, then Ukraine is still a bargain! Sure, come to Ukraine and save 90%.

The fact is that few of us really need to limit ourselves to supermodels. At home, we might be content with girls in the $200 -500 range, or one to three days' wages. In Kiev, even after taking the foreigner factor of 2, you will get only about 1000 UAH. Gia girls lose 50% to the house and they start at 3000 UAH. For independents, 1000 to 2000 is more than reasonable.

Beauty is no guarantee of good sex. What if you indeed pay 7500 UAH for one hour of sex, and the sex is horrible! There are no refunds. She does not care! She does not need to work again for another month, and besides, tomorrow she will try to find another idiot who is willing to pay that much. That 7500 is enough to feed a whole family for a month, and a pretty single mum would have been happy to really earn that 7500 from you in 4 to 6 bouts, each one better than the last.

Someone posted their scale a while back. The "10" was considered "wife material". Unlikely. Can you imagine the pressure! Those old enough will remember an old song, by Dr. Hook. Unless you are a rock star or a multi-billionaire, you do not want a 10 for a wife. Imagine if anyone tried to grab Melania or Ivanka "by the pussy"? You would get killed. Okay, Putin did hit on them both, but he is Putin. For a wife, you want a nice girl, kind, helpful, fun, and yes, pretty enough so you feel happy when you look at her.

Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?

Pros and semi-pros. All dating sites are littered with pros. Even if you search for girls "seeking long term relationships", if they are interested in foreigners, they usually are pros or semi-pros. They will eventually reveal themselves and say "I meet men for money". The difference between a pro and semi-pro? It is a continuum. It depends on the degree to which they solely rely on prostitution for money, and the frequency at which they do so. I personally prefer the once a week to once per month type of girl. They are not so jaded yet and they can be a little more picky, given that they can have more time to choose, but also more likely to give you better service. How do I know who is who? Well, the hardened pros are easy to tell.

I guess I will leave the report to the next entry.

If you want fuck high level girl in Kiev you need money or other skill. Point.

The rest are talk. For 1000 gryvna, if the girl is only interested in money, you fuck mediocre to normal girl. Sure you can be happy cause at home maybe you not have a great sexual life, but.

This is the truth.

Kiev-x. In.

Go to this website and see what Ukrainian. Not foreigner fuck for 800 1000 gryvna.

If you want fuck high level girl but don't have one you need to be Brad Pitt and introduced to the girl by some man in their circle.

I'm talking of beautiful girl.

[Stevie69]

Greetings,

This is my third report this year. In my previous reports, I gave a general outline of my preferred methods, practice, and philosophy. Here, to avoid being too repetitive, I will instead do a play by play. Well, actually just the highlights, and the lowlights.

However, before I get to that point, I will address a couple of issues that have been discussed recently on this forum. Again, just my 2 cents.

One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices. There are two ways to address the problem. One way is to plead and beg, and hope that people out there stop thinking with their penises and refuse to pay exorbitant prices. For people who come only once and for a short time, all the pleading will fall on deaf ears because they want to get at least some action while they are here. However, they could stay home and spend the money better. A second way to address the problem is to tell everyone that the only way they will get high quality girls is to spend MORE than they would normally have to spend at home, so they might as well stay home. Oddly, the main person proselytizing this idea indicates that he, and only he, can get manage to pay low prices (never more than $50 USD) for supermodel types. Yes, being a long term resident or a repeat visitor has its advantages, but surely the difference is not so vast.

The same person who has never paid more than $50 argues that the rest of us will have to pay 200-300 USD to get top-shelf action. Let us up that into perspective. Three hundred USD, or 7500 UAH, could easily be the monthly wage of many of the girls we see every day (cashiers, sellers, secretaries, administrative assistants, etc). I know a woman who supports herself and her young son on 240 USD per month (She actually gets paid with USD, which is why I am not using UAH in this case). If we extend this logic, top shelf action back home would cost one month's wages. These women are presumably so hot that they can demand 2 to 4 thousand dollars for one hour of work. I do not think anyone's standards are so high, but if they are, then Ukraine is still a bargain! Sure, come to Ukraine and save 90%.

The fact is that few of us really need to limit ourselves to supermodels. At home, we might be content with girls in the $200 -500 range, or one to three days' wages. In Kiev, even after taking the foreigner factor of 2, you will get only about 1000 UAH. Gia girls lose 50% to the house and they start at 3000 UAH. For independents, 1000 to 2000 is more than reasonable.

Beauty is no guarantee of good sex. What if you indeed pay 7500 UAH for one hour of sex, and the sex is horrible! There are no refunds. She does not care! She does not need to work again for another month, and besides, tomorrow she will try to find another idiot who is willing to pay that much. That 7500 is enough to feed a whole family for a month, and a pretty single mum would have been happy to really earn that 7500 from you in 4 to 6 bouts, each one better than the last.

Someone posted their scale a while back. The "10" was considered "wife material". Unlikely. Can you imagine the pressure! Those old enough will remember an old song, by Dr. Hook. Unless you are a rock star or a multi-billionaire, you do not want a 10 for a wife. Imagine if anyone tried to grab Melania or Ivanka "by the pussy"? You would get killed. Okay, Putin did hit on them both, but he is Putin. For a wife, you want a nice girl, kind, helpful, fun, and yes, pretty enough so you feel happy when you look at her.

Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?

Pros and semi-pros. All dating sites are littered with pros. Even if you search for girls "seeking long term relationships", if they are interested in foreigners, they usually are pros or semi-pros. They will eventually reveal themselves and say "I meet men for money". The difference between a pro and semi-pro? It is a continuum. It depends on the degree to which they solely rely on prostitution for money, and the frequency at which they do so. I personally prefer the once a week to once per month type of girl. They are not so jaded yet and they can be a little more picky, given that they can have more time to choose, but also more likely to give you better service. How do I know who is who? Well, the hardened pros are easy to tell.

I guess I will leave the report to the next entry.

[Sorbonne]

I hadn't used mamba for a few years, but in preparing for my trip to Kiev next month, I've started to get back on mamba just recently.

First thing I noticed was that mamba no longer has this section to look for travel companions, which is a huge disappointment, because I've had a good luck with it before. And instead mamba just put a link to tourbar.com.

Anybody has any experience with this tourbar.com? It's the first time I've heard of this site.

There used to be a site called something like travelgirl.com, and I don't know what happened to it. Is tourbar.com any better?

Sorry, if this topic has been already discussed here before.

[Riina]

This is not quite so. Yeah, you're right, cue is a magnet for Ukrainian girls like Las Vegas for American beauties. But in Kiev, the high cost of housing rental. All these girls can not live on the street on the banks of the Dnieper. Need housing. The high cost of renting housing in Kiev directly affects the price of your kievan BBBJ and CIM and generally flirt. In the big city, too, the cost of the metro and other transport is higher and renting an apartment near the subway is always more expensive. If the girl can not rent a house near the metro, she is also forced to pay for two types of transport every day-bus to the metro and later metro.

I can advise such large industrial cities as Kharkov with a huge number of students. Also a big city of a million inhabitants Dnepropetrovsk (now Dnipro city). There a large selection of girls and not so everything is expensive and less pathos. As we see it in Kiev. I mostly fuck Ukrainian chicks in these cities. I also often go to the city of Sumy. They are very beautiful blond girls but the city itself is relatively small and people there are not so uninhibited as in the vast Kharkov. But I know and speak Russian. So I'm not an ordinary Western monger. In Sumy I have two familiar young sisters and I last fucked them a month ago. For 1000 hryvnia for each. No bad money for it poor city.

In Sumy beautiful girls, but in Kharkov they are more open and more accessible. They think less about the risk that other people will learn about they sucked a dick for money or a dinner.

My experiences outside Kiev have all been isolating. Kiev has a perfect layout with a walking street, but more importantly, it has a unique drawing power for the girls from throughout Ukraine. They can't afford apartments in the center but most can find rooms to share if they really wish to be part of the capital. BobSmith made it sound as if he wanted to visit small towns or villages, a bad idea.

[BobSmith1]

I did a test run in Sumy with my friend and he knows some girls there and we all went for a road trip that was it. Spent 2 days walking around and went to a near by village town too. My impression on Sumy is that its too spread out. Roads are big and big square every where. I know they are kind of poor. But people are kind of rougher base on my observation. Too bad I can't speak much Russian but I will take some classes later. There are goods in Sumy or small towns because they are left un-touched yet. If you can speak Russian and making USA money, Sumy maybe good.

[Tomek123]

Stay in Kiev for safety. Girls throughout Ukraine concentrate there. Why go to them when they can come to you?

This is not quite so. Yeah, you're right, cue is a magnet for Ukrainian girls like Las Vegas for American beauties. But in Kiev, the high cost of housing rental. All these girls can not live on the street on the banks of the Dnieper. Need housing. The high cost of renting housing in Kiev directly affects the price of your kievan BBBJ and CIM and generally flirt. In the big city, too, the cost of the metro and other transport is higher and renting an apartment near the subway is always more expensive. If the girl can not rent a house near the metro, she is also forced to pay for two types of transport every day-bus to the metro and later metro.

I can advise such large industrial cities as Kharkov with a huge number of students. Also a big city of a million inhabitants Dnepropetrovsk (now Dnipro city). There a large selection of girls and not so everything is expensive and less pathos. As we see it in Kiev. I mostly fuck Ukrainian chicks in these cities. I also often go to the city of Sumy. They are very beautiful blond girls but the city itself is relatively small and people there are not so uninhibited as in the vast Kharkov. But I know and speak Russian. So I'm not an ordinary Western monger. In Sumy I have two familiar young sisters and I last fucked them a month ago. For 1000 hryvnia for each. No bad money for it poor city.

In Sumy beautiful girls, but in Kharkov they are more open and more accessible. They think less about the risk that other people will learn about they sucked a dick for money or a dinner.

[Riina]

Like how I rolled in US, I usually don't hire girls in San Francisco. I travel to 3rd tier towns 2 hours away from San Francisco but there are still quality girls there. I was in Sumy but this town is too spread out and people are rougher for some reason. But what about the small towns around Kyiv? Any one with some inside info?

In SF, we still got backpage, and other sites cover the 3rd tier cities 2 hours so we can still find them. In Kyiv, it seems they all come to Kyiv. I can see that most good looking girls from Sumy all went to Kyiv.

Stay in Kiev for safety. Girls throughout Ukraine concentrate there. Why go to them when they can come to you?

[BobSmith1]

Like how I rolled in US, I usually don't hire girls in San Francisco. I travel to 3rd tier towns 2 hours away from San Francisco but there are still quality girls there. I was in Sumy but this town is too spread out and people are rougher for some reason. But what about the small towns around Kyiv? Any one with some inside info?

In SF, we still got backpage, and other sites cover the 3rd tier cities 2 hours so we can still find them. In Kyiv, it seems they all come to Kyiv. I can see that most good looking girls from Sumy all went to Kyiv.