Kyiv

[How14]

Searched all your posts in this thread and found nothing. Presuming that you're another one of those 'Easy to get chicks for 500 UAH' people who doesn't have any substance to back it up.

If you read my posts like you claim, then you would know I quoted 1200 hrv that's what I usually pay if I dabble in the p+p scene, as for backing it up, back what up? Few people on here can back up there stories except for the wingmen and co, all said on here we expect to be the truth.

[How14]

I am talking from experience here. When I first started looking for info on here I never had any feedback on a scene that was new to me then (2009) and certainly no one breastfed me anything. Was told told RTFF (Read the fucking forum) LOL. But if you spend hours or even days on here I doubt you will find direct links to the 8's or 9's girls with real Fotos. I am not saying they don't exist, they do but once found, mongers ain't going to put this precious info on the open forum. This is for straight P4P.

Being naive at the time and so excited at a great find, I posted info here, name of the place. Link (No Foto) on a truly 9 girl whom I met in a Massage Salon, just erotic massage. One of the most beautiful Blonde young girls I ever met in Kiev. She was a student working weekends there and spoke excellent English.

Very promptly afterwards, I received a pm from a senior member at the time telling me off for outing the girl on the open forum, in his words, Now every Fucker in Kiev will be after her. And, I should've known better.

And I can tell you that was a very good advise, because 2 weeks later when I went back to Kiev to see her again the girl was gone and her phone disconnected.

What you need to do, search the escort agencies in Kiev, phone them, email them and see if they respond to your requests via Viber or whatever. At the time they didn't get on the Viber,Line thing sending actual fotos of girls one requested prior to booking them. Must be a new thing.

Of course The only proof of the pudding will be when the 8/9 girl shows up and you end up eating her at the price agreed. Recent posts suggest no more than UAH 1500 , But of course no links or names of agencies.

You learned well Jojosun, you are old school, you have the time to past all on.

[Sorbonne]

Sorry, I wasn't being too accurate. I was in Kali in 2005, saw nothing, and just assumed that there could be NOTHING substantial by now.

But maybe things have changed. I don't know how, or how it's even possible that things have changed there, but maybe they have changed. LOL.

If Kali is the place to go, that's actually awesome, as I am currently living in Berlin. It is so close.

[CockMushroom]

I am talking from experience here. When I first started looking for info on here I never had any feedback on a scene that was new to me then (2009) and certainly no one breastfed me anything. Was told told RTFF (Read the fucking forum) LOL. But if you spend hours or even days on here I doubt you will find direct links to the 8's or 9's girls with real Fotos. I am not saying they don't exist, they do but once found, mongers ain't going to put this precious info on the open forum. This is for straight P4P.

Being naive at the time and so excited at a great find, I posted info here, name of the place. Link (No Foto) on a truly 9 girl whom I met in a Massage Salon, just erotic massage. One of the most beautiful Blonde young girls I ever met in Kiev. She was a student working weekends there and spoke excellent English.

Very promptly afterwards, I received a pm from a senior member at the time telling me off for outing the girl on the open forum, in his words, Now every Fucker in Kiev will be after her. And, I should've known better.

And I can tell you that was a very good advise, because 2 weeks later when I went back to Kiev to see her again the girl was gone and her phone disconnected.

What you need to do, search the escort agencies in Kiev, phone them, email them and see if they respond to your requests via Viber or whatever. At the time they didn't get on the Viber,Line thing sending actual fotos of girls one requested prior to booking them. Must be a new thing.

Of course The only proof of the pudding will be when the 8/9 girl shows up and you end up eating her at the price agreed. Recent posts suggest no more than UAH 1500 , But of course no links or names of agencies.

And that's just more proof of the shambles that is the Kiev hooker scene; if you posted the details of a 8-9 in Hungary, Romania, Prague etc. Then yes, she may get a bit more business, and there's a small chance she could vanish, but if she did, no big deal, there are plenty more around. Here they are treated like a rarity.

[Sorbonne]

Hi Sorbonne,

Are you serious?

LOL, even In Iran of all places there is a Scene there under its offical name (The Islamic Republic Of Iran) If the Birds & Bees do it, its not beyond Iranian Officals to do it albeit even in a Elevator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHuaPFaUGc

Iranian diplomat Kamran Dani; see you elevator sex caught on video.

I can imagine the scene is even better & bolder now The Islamic Republic got Nuclear Teeth. LOL.

Sorry, I wasn't being too accurate. I was in Kali in 2005, saw nothing, and just assumed that there could be anything substantial by now.

But maybe things have changed. I don't know how, or how it's even possible that things have changed there, but maybe they have changed. LOL.

If Kali is the place to go, that's actually awesome, as I am currently living in Berlin. It is so close.

[Jojosun]

"knock yourself out eating prussian sausages in Koenigsberg. ".

So you don't recommend Kaliningrad. I agree. I don't think there is a scene in Kaliningrad.

Hi Sorbonne,

Are you serious?

LOL, even In Iran of all places there is a Scene there under its offical name (The Islamic Republic Of Iran) If the Birds & Bees do it, its not beyond Iranian Officals to do it albeit even in a Elevator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHuaPFaUGc

Iranian diplomat Kamran Dani; see you elevator sex caught on video.

I can imagine the scene is even better & bolder now The Islamic Republic got Nuclear Teeth. LOL.

[Jojosun]

no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

I am talking from experience here. When I first started looking for info on here I never had any feedback on a scene that was new to me then (2009) and certainly no one breastfed me anything. Was told told RTFF (Read the fucking forum) LOL. But if you spend hours or even days on here I doubt you will find direct links to the 8's or 9's girls with real Fotos. I am not saying they don't exist, they do but once found, mongers ain't going to put this precious info on the open forum. This is for straight P4P.

Being naive at the time and so excited at a great find, I posted info here, name of the place. Link (No Foto) on a truly 9 girl whom I met in a Massage Salon, just erotic massage. One of the most beautiful Blonde young girls I ever met in Kiev. She was a student working weekends there and spoke excellent English.

Very promptly afterwards, I received a pm from a senior member at the time telling me off for outing the girl on the open forum, in his words, Now every Fucker in Kiev will be after her. And, I should've known better.

And I can tell you that was a very good advise, because 2 weeks later when I went back to Kiev to see her again the girl was gone and her phone disconnected.

What you need to do, search the escort agencies in Kiev, phone them, email them and see if they respond to your requests via Viber or whatever. At the time they didn't get on the Viber,Line thing sending actual fotos of girls one requested prior to booking them. Must be a new thing.

Of course The only proof of the pudding will be when the 8/9 girl shows up and you end up eating her at the price agreed. Recent posts suggest no more than UAH 1500 , But of course no links or names of agencies.

[CockMushroom]

Some of you guys underestimate the greediness of Ukrainian women. No matter how bad you think the economy is, how expensive prices become in the stores or how much more the Ukrainian currency devalues. Girls will just quote prices in dollars and euros. Sure there are still girls to be had in salons near the center for 1500 uah but the quality is long gone. I was in Kiev a few weeks ago & visited 3 different salons around the center, didn't see any girls even worth that price. Yes there are still girls to be found at Sky Bar & Budda Bar but they will quote $300-$500. I found one 19 yr old gorgeous girl at sky bar. She was asking $500, I countered with $200 & eventually offered $300 for 3 hours but she stuck to her original offer of $500 for 2 hours. Same thing at the-Lux. I've never had any luck on Mamba, seems like a giant waste of time. Usually I try to import girls from other cities & pay for their tickets to Kiev. Unfortunately this trip I had a bad experience with a girl arriving from Kharkov. Another cam girl, so there were no surprises with her looks but when she arrived she appeared to be on some sort of drugs..

Those prices. It's not like I couldn't afford it, but as a matter of principle I know I could get the same or better for cheaper in Romania, Hungary, Slovakia etc. And not have to do anywhere near as much work to find one. When I go to a bar it's to have fun, not for P2P. If I want a working girl it's usually in the evening after work when I can't be fucked to do it the old fashioned way and a spontaneous thing.

I guess the market here is for the 'strike it rich' crowd instead.

$500 for two hours. Which probably would have been a 'gimme money, cum, now fuck off' type affair'.

[CockMushroom]

Yes I see you been getting frustrated with not getting much help on here, so why don't you go back through the forum and put some hours in? All the info is there, it just needs a little graft and all will be revealed. Seems you need breastfeeding.

Searched all your posts in this thread and found nothing. Presuming that you're another one of those 'Easy to get chicks for 500 UAH' people who doesn't have any substance to back it up.

[Jojosun]

"knock yourself out eating prussian sausages in Koenigsberg. ".

So you don't recommend Kaliningrad. I agree. I don't think there is a scene in Kaliningrad.

I am always on the lookout for the next mongering destinations or as Plan be. Going back about 5 or 6 years ago I posted here requesting info on Kaliningrad as another mongering possibility for hooking up with Slavic White Girls the nearest to UA girls and at a destination close to UA or similar in Eastern Europe. At the time I only got one reply (Opinions) along the same lines above.

Had other replies from (Guardian Mongers) telling me to go here & there, ranging from FKK Clubs in Germany (no UA or Russian Girls and its a different scene altogether), or to head to one of the Muslim Asian Republics of the FSU with names ending with " Stan " .

As I am a sucker for Research & Search I started searching Kaliningrad and this confirms there is plenty of action to be had there both P4P and the freebie scene. Well if there is a scene in those Muslim Asian Republics of the FSU, and I am sure there is reading here on ISG, then there is bound to be a scene in Kalinigrad with Cheaper Vodka than in Moscow and the great majority of the population being White Russians.

If you read the thread on Kaliningrad on ISG you will find there was plenty of P4 P there and the Freebie scene according to one poster was even better than what was the scene like in Kiev in 2009 . Info and data seems still valid. .

Checking Badoo & Mamba, Kaliningrad it shows plenty of talent there.

Even on a Non Mongering site it confirms the possibilities LOL even for a Loser playing the field on the Home Front.

According to Larry on Kaliningrad "The downtown area is a girl-watcher's gold mine. Everywhere you look is an overabundance of young, breathtaking, fashionable woman. If you are an American loser who can't get laid in your home country (speaking from experience of course ha ha! Get your ass here as quickly as possible.

"All the women speak English. It's their only hope," a German man I met in an elevator said with a grin. "All the men do is drink and beat them. ".

http://www.whereislarry.com/kaliningrad.htm

Reasons for going there " Why tourists should go to Kaliningrad:

You'll have it all to yourself, and the place is rather interesting.

You can always tell people, even Russians, "I've been to Kaliningrad," and watch the look on their face.

It's a great place to find a wife.

[UrbanCowboy22]

Some of you guys underestimate the greediness of Ukrainian women. No matter how bad you think the economy is, how expensive prices become in the stores or how much more the Ukrainian currency devalues. Girls will just quote prices in dollars and euros. Sure there are still girls to be had in salons near the center for 1500 uah but the quality is long gone. I was in Kiev a few weeks ago & visited 3 different salons around the center, didn't see any girls even worth that price. Yes there are still girls to be found at Sky Bar & Budda Bar but they will quote $300-$500. I found one 19 yr old gorgeous girl at sky bar. She was asking $500, I countered with $200 & eventually offered $300 for 3 hours but she stuck to her original offer of $500 for 2 hours. Same thing at the-Lux. I've never had any luck on Mamba, seems like a giant waste of time. Usually I try to import girls from other cities & pay for their tickets to Kiev. Unfortunately this trip I had a bad experience with a girl arriving from Kharkov. Another cam girl, so there were no surprises with her looks but when she arrived she appeared to be on some sort of drugs.

I second your statement. Russia is a tough place and I would think twice before visiting.

Plenty of opportunity left in Ukraine. Hell, I'm in Chicago, and we have our own mini scene happening because of all the new Ukrainians in town plus the talented Ukrainian handler putting everything together. Girls are coming to my city and don't know what to do with themselves. Babysitting and cleaning houses doesn't really fit well them like their Polish sisters. Always going to be girls in Ukraine that rather come out to suck a dick then lift a finger and do real work.

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[AColonizer]

Finally, one more man has realized of that scam. There is no miracle method, just search, search, search, a lot of time and a lot of "interviews". And the first rule is: never waste own money. Following this rule, men are never wrong, even if they don't ejaculate!

As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?

[How14]

As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?

Yes I see you been getting frustrated with not getting much help on here, so why don't you go back through the forum and put some hours in? All the info is there, it just needs a little graft and all will be revealed. Seems you need breastfeeding.

[CockMushroom]

As I have stated on here not long ago, there are plenty of agencies available in Kyiv, most of them all hooked up on viber, what's app, line etc, etc, communications are excellent, if I want p+p I simply tell some of the agencies my requirements and they send me photos of what's they have, I choose and the girl comes, always the girl in the photo, and I never pay more than 1200 with taxi included. The kind of girls I go for are, very slim, model face, size 6-8 and I use several agencies and I'm never disappointed.

As usual, another post with 'it's easy fools', but no links, no contacts, nothing to help. The only reliable looking agency is GIA and they are fucking expensive.

Why not help people out and show us some of these agencies?

[RobertTx]

I have never been to Kiev, but Ccrrency devaluation, economic downturn, thirst for easy money should keep the mongering flying high.

Just a matter of finding out a local and building the trust and enjoy the beauties.

I am too busy at Colombia, can't wait figure it out myself in Kiev.