Kyiv

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http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737

This Russian girl I'm posting a link to is a very good example of why monger travel is less worth it these days. She's a beautiful girl on a J1 that saw the opportunity to make money and keep her privacy. If you traveled to Moscow and spent loads of cash, you would not find a girl like Dasha. You would find a pussy rubbed by a 1000 Ruski dick. Their's similar students in Kiev, but that's become a very selective game that's not open to everyone. Too many members here think it's still the old days where young and pretty girls had to come out as prostitutes.

GIA has a new girl named Dasha as of today. Somehow I do not think this is a pure coincidence. GIA management monitoring Kiev Forum is not certain, but might have happened.

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PhotoSlider Drama Volpone,

Thank you very much for the support. It's interesting the members attacking me have like ten posts to their names. It says a lot about them.

Discussing whose dick is thicker and longer is a clear sign of conversation deterioration. That happened before. No sweat.

"Zero night life in Kiev" - my ass! The fact that some wannabes have been rejected or dumped doesn't mean there are no beautiful ladies available. Night life is there any time of the day or night.

I am not trying to argue or convince anybody. Will not get into pissing contest either rating my Kiev GFs and one night stands or comparing them with equally fascinating specimen in Thailand, Columbia or Sweden. Whining losers may continue their pointless complaints. Lack of female attention transforms into Forum pollution.

Instead I am flying out to Kiev myself soon for yet another session of checking out the pussy availability and quality on the ground with all five senses. Somehow despite the numerous challenges pussy of all shapes, tastes and attitudes is still there year after year. My problem in Kiev is bandwidth congestion, difficulty to chose, the need to avoid some of the overlapping dates, constantly optimizing.

Lots of foreign guys mistakenly believe the horror stories, and stop day dreaming about EE princesses making love for peanuts. Boys from UK, Germany, US and all over the World do not buy airplane tickets to Ukraine anymore. Kiev-Borispyl Airport goes bankrupt. Village girls leave back to Sumy, Kharkiv and L'viv.

Does it mean that average price per act of romantic encounter will go down?

Does it mean that me and others praising Kiev leads to scarcity, inflation and spoiled providers due to more fierce competition between males?

Here is my firm belief on the subject:

1. Guys will keep coming to Kiev. For many reasons, most of the time not related to mongering. It is not wise to ignore high class entertainment in the Capital City.

2. Many will either have pussy lined up upon arrival or search for the object of desire.

3. Pessimistic participants deduce that Ukrainian girls will break the multi-generational tradition and disappear to Dubai and Paris. Indeed some girls are free to travel internationally, yet many are bound one way or the other despite visa-free.

Well, why GIA reincarnation took less than 3 months after the bust? Why this lucrative and reliable pipeline should ever go dry? Volume estimates are anywhere from half a million dollars a day per City of Kiev to billion dollars a year for the whole country of Ukraine.

Nothing will radically change during my next visit. Yes, River Palace is not there and dollar is not 4 UAH anymore. So what?

If you have doubts then do not go. More pussy for those of us who will.

[Volpone]

]I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.

Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.

Riina, is correct. I just do not understand how guys refuse to report the facts. For a Newbie or a guys with a little experience, Kiev will be very difficult and frustrating. Many barriers to entry and obstacle to overcome:

1. Too many Sex Tourist.

2. Can be expensive if you do not know what you are doing and always a scam around the corner.

3. Good lucking girls long gone.

4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.

5. Zero Night Life.

6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.

7. Too much weekend money there now.

8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.

Bottom line, if you can get an airline ticket for under $400 US, check it out you will probably let done. There are much better destinations.

I also worry about the guys that book there a vacations to go to Kiev, and I wish some of the more optimistic people on this page would be more realistic.

If you want to approach 15-25 girls a day and spend 1-3 hours on the computer, then you can maybe build a stable, but it will mostly be of average and some would.

Say below average girls, knock yourself out. This is major commitment, takes a lot of time and work, just not that easy.

Kiev is a nice place and if you are smart it can be very cheap, for girls no, sorry.

I also agree with Riina and DramaFee11. I've spent nearly 2 years of my life in Ukraine with mostly long stays (around 3 months a year). I used to know the years just after 2000 when girls was interested in meeting and dating foreigners, what is nearly not the case anymore. They have their own boyfriend now, most of them don't care about dating a foreigner. They usually see them as sex tourists.

1. Too many Sex Tourist. Definitely too many of them. Now there are even Asian sex tourists. 15 years ago there were nearly no Turkish guys in Ukraine.

2. Scams, yeah there are some of them. You just have to learn how to avoid them, but it takes time. So it can be difficult for a newbie.

3. Good lucking girls long gone. There are still some pretty or very pretty girls in Kiev, but that's right that many pretty ones just work abroad. Last year I met a winner of a pageant contest. She was just passing by in Ukraine, just for a few weeks, because she works as an escort abroad. Some of them find a normal job and then they work abroad.

4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.

5. Zero Night Life.

I don't care about Night Life, so I don't know about that.

6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.

SO TRUE. They have their own boyfriend or sponsors, they don't need foreigners anymore. Furthermore if they want a foreigner, they don't need one, that stays in Ukraine. They can fly 1-2 weeks and stay in their sponsor's place in Western Europe or other countries now. They don't need a visa. Their sponsors will pay everything. So why to bother with a foreigner in Kiev? Much better to go abroad. They do that quite a lot with some rich Polish guys, easier to understand, similar culture.

Of course if you are a foreigner good looking guy, you could have some luck here. However I saw some good looking guys that had no success here too. They spent so much money for nothing, no sex at all.

8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.

Prices are similar of what you can get in Western Europe with more diversities.

15 years ago on dating website, I could get about 40 % messages back to date normal girls. Now it must be around 5 % with the same pictures. They get too many messages from guys all over the world and not so much interested in meeting foreigners like before. My ex ukrainian girlfriend wasn't even interested in living in Western Europe. She wanted that we live in Kiev together. She was eager to visit Western Europe, but not to live there.

[Horny American]

Well, I'm not a shill so just add that to the list of things that you're wrong about. It's a long list.

And now you're acting like a spoiled 5 yo calling the ladies "fat" when not a single one of them weighs more than 125-130 lbs max.

What you and every monger here needs to do is ask yourself? Have I contributed? Have I helped anybody here in a Kiev? If the answer is yes, then great. If not, then why are you here?

This board is supposed to be us helping each other get laid here in Kiev. Not others places (they have boards) and not to try to run people off.

Like stated before, some guys come here for family, for work or even to follow their favorite soccer team and if they want action while in Kiev then they should be able to find it here.

I have reported on success from strip clubs, mamba, by using door men and etc.

What have you done? Besides complain and tell people not to come to Kiev.

I can post about an awesome lady I met in Amsterdam, but what good is that here?

I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.

Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.

[Alekezam]

http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...Escort-Reports

I am in Chicago for business quite a bit and I haven't managed to come across any providers that are decent looking that don't charge an exorbitant amount. I'll have to try these out next time I am there.

$140 for that kind of action is a steal.

I work and live in Houston which is pretty active when it comes to mongering in the US and it's tough to get anything of that caliber for that price.

But hey, if it's legit then thanks for the info.

[JonasWRay]

I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.

Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.

I disagree, so far every post you put up is exactly what he says, nothing but complaining. Maybe the first time you posted of your complaints it was informative but there is no need to constantly say the same thing over and over again like a broken record.

Let others, I repeat, others make judgment for themselves by RTFF. People will surely come across at least one of your repeat posts describing your opinion. No need to droning on and on about it. I don't see the same people who have positive things to say repeat themselves over and over again. At least not to the level that you do.

Because when it boils down to it, 75% of your gripes with the country are being experienced the same no matter where you go.

It's what you call "keeping up with th times".

[DramaFree11]

]I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.

Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.

Riina, is correct. I just do not understand how guys refuse to report the facts. For a Newbie or a guys with a little experience, Kiev will be very difficult and frustrating. Many barriers to entry and obstacle to overcome:

1. Too many Sex Tourist.

2. Can be expensive if you do not know what you are doing and always a scam around the corner.

3. Good lucking girls long gone.

4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.

5. Zero Night Life.

6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.

7. Too much weekend money there now.

8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.

Bottom line, if you can get an airline ticket for under $400 US, check it out you will probably let done. There are much better destinations.

I also worry about the guys that book there a vacations to go to Kiev, and I wish some of the more optimistic people on this page would be more realistic.

If you want to approach 15-25 girls a day and spend 1-3 hours on the computer, then you can maybe build a stable, but it will mostly be of average and some would.

Say below average girls, knock yourself out. This is major commitment, takes a lot of time and work, just not that easy.

Kiev is a nice place and if you are smart it can be very cheap, for girls no, sorry.

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This has nothing to do with Kiev, why bother posting it? All these other locations that you talk about and prefer over Kiev all have their own boards.

Why come here and constantly put everything down? Why bother? If you don't like it just stay away. Always complaining it's too expensive, too much work and that the girls are ugly etc.

If you can't bring relevant info to this board it's just useless.

Dude!

You certainly have a reason to object to ongoing whining from DramaFree and alike, but with Riina you surely picked a wrong guy here. While we may disagree with certain details in recent Chicago Ukrainian post, I am grateful for his expert contribution to Kiev Forum on dozens and dozens occasions over many years. Riina brings sanity and balance to ever changing discussions.

Anyway, here is how I would compare Chicago to Kiev for a 30 days visit. It is an extended stay, and not everybody goes for that long or intense, but I am staying even longer than that myself. Kozerog does 90 days during summer.

Flight: $1500.

AirBnB: $50/ day = $1500.

Mongering: two different girls a day on average, 2000 UAH each. Sometimes I do GIA or Rio, sometimes 1200 UAH a pop, sometimes free, sometimes 5 different girls in 24 hours or 1 sweetie for a week. $150 a day for entertainment is a fair budget. I prefer calculating per girl. Doing it per pop makes it even lower.

Total is $7,500 a month for 60 girls makes $125 per girl. Riina's Dasha is at least double that, if not more. She sure is a gulp of fresh water in a hot lifeless desert. Actually I am glad that global economy spreads beauties around the world, and myself have had opportunities with Ukrainian girls similar to Riina's in other cities: Madrid, Warsaw etc.

I know my case above might seem extreme, but I am who I am.

Apartment can be less or more, same for flight. If Kiev visit is shorter, and no prior connections are established, then prorated expense per unit of consumption goes considerably higher.

[Riina]

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[Riina]

http://classyladiesofchicago.escortb...el-dasha-30737

This Russian girl I'm posting a link to is a very good example of why monger travel is less worth it these days. She's a beautiful girl on a J1 that saw the opportunity to make money and keep her privacy. If you traveled to Moscow and spent loads of cash, you would not find a girl like Dasha. You would find a pussy rubbed by a 1000 Ruski dick. Their's similar students in Kiev, but that's become a very selective game that's not open to everyone. Too many members here think it's still the old days where young and pretty girls had to come out as prostitutes.

[Horny American]

This has nothing to do with Kiev, why bother posting it? All these other locations that you talk about and prefer over Kiev all have their own boards.

Why come here and constantly put everything down? Why bother? If you don't like it just stay away. Always complaining it's too expensive, too much work and that the girls are ugly etc.

If you can't bring relevant info to this board it's just useless.

http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...Escort-Reports

[John Corey]

http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...Escort-Reports

Thank you very much.

JC.

[John Corey]

I'm sorry, but them are very average looking tutes. Just come to Chicago, we have skinny tall ones on J1 student visa's. You can meet them for $140.

Is there a particular escort website or word of mouth. Would appreciate a heads up.

Thanks.

JC.

[Riina]

No disrespect to the member that shared his exploits. All legitimate reports are appreciated here. But them are little fat ones. You've made a terrible mistake if you traveled to Ukraine for that kind of quality. You're better off coming to Chicago, we're having a surge of J1 students. You can meet them for $140. You can expect a CBJ and a big time YMMV experience. Things can get real fun fast with girls so full of their feelings and emotions. I'm talking about skinny girls with tiny waists.

Off topic, but post Sesta / Fosta in the US has been the best mongering months of my life. All these J! Russians that would of worked for high end agencies are coming to Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers.

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I have seen following abbreviation at some escort site, have no clue what it is, any idea.

MPG.

ZHMZH.

KUNI.

ICBM

I can guess three, maybe four of these, as related to Russian:

MPG: "malye polovye guby" or labia minora, inner vaginal lips.

Zh-M-Zh: "Zhenschina-Muzhchina-Zhenschina" or Female-Male-Female in threesome.

Kuni: Cuni or cunilingus.

ICBM: Intentional Cock Blocking Maneuver, also Incomplete Bowel Movement. Plus some other options.

Google the latter against Urban Dictionary.