Kyiv

[SFNative]

Broski.

Thanks for all the info that this this thread has shared. Can't wait to have a blast sightseeing and hopefully find my match on Tinder or Mamba. Expectations is to have fun. All be in Ukraine from 13-2. I'll be staying at near Independence Square. Would be awesome to meet some peeps at this forum for a drink.

[The Mercy Seat]

Here is my perspective on the Girls in Kiev today. Some background on me. I first came to Kiev 7 years ago. I kind of early found a keeper and was With her for 5 years before ending. Have had a "special" friend in Kiev the last 2 years. The first 5 years I was in Kiev about 4 times a year. The last 2 years I have been in Ukraine about 2 times a year. I usually stay 7-14 days on each trip.

My last trip to Kiev was at the end of May this year. I had free time, it was weekend (both Saturday and Sunday) og the weather was very Nice. I sat on Khreschatyk and watched Girls for atleast 3-4 hours both days.

What did I see? There was a lot of Girls. I will say I say 2 hot 10's, one With a Rich boyfriend and one With exspensive gatgets and cloths. They where clearly spoken for and had high demands. I saw about 8 Girls that I would give a rating of 9. This doesn't say much in general since we all have different taste. But if I did the same Experiment within the first 3 years I went to Kiev (I often then also took time to watch Girls on Khreschatyk), I would have seen atleast 20-30 Girls I would classify as 10's. And basically most Girls would have been hot and in Nice cloths. Now? More fat, uglier and don't care as much about how they look it seems.

I have also gotten in touch With some New Girls the last 2 years. The trend seems to be the same. They are not so pretty as before and they cost more. Would I today if I started mongering in Kiev like it as much so that I will keep coming back? Maybe since I don't know better, but I would check out lot of other Places also for sure. So many hit and miss theses days. 7 years ago it was a no brainer. It was Nice and easy even thou I have never experienced River Palace. I had no need to go other Places. Even thou most People speak shitty English. If you are New in Kiev and starting mongering now With no contacts, you have a lot of work Ahead of you to find a reasonable priced gem. When / If my relationship With my friend ends and I have lost contact With most of the few Girls I do know there, I don't think I will visit Ukraine that much. The plus side is still that Ukraine is a cheap country to have a vacation in. Girls are normally cheaper here than other Places. But now very difficult to find a good girl since basically all Girls use fake Pictures.

[Jojosun]

I used it in 2017 specifically to get a partner to walk around city together for free, not even for flirt. I would expect it may proceed as far as enjoyable flirting, and perhaps no more than 1 out of 20 with our primary objective. Not to say it's impossible. Maybe things have changed in two years.

I never used any Guides in Kiev but I do remember back in 2010 I suggested using a Night Guide to a senior, Asian Chaos, when he asked about Clubs and reserving tables at the best clubs. It was a bit of banter one of few other suggestions on Kiev's Nightlife at the time.

He later posted a long report on his experiences and his success with one such Night Guide.

Can't remember the name of the agency or guides at the time but a quick search here shows a link to Kiev Night Guides.

Nightlife Tour Guide Prices.

General Prices are US $ 65 for 5 hours long Tour. Payable beginning of the Tour. If you need a booking table in a club or airport taxi booking, you required to pay 15 US $ in advance.

[Tomster99]

It won't make sense for me at least to keep book with many until I succeed. You point is very valid. That is the reason I was asking this forum to shred some knowledge on trying to understand the mindset of these girls.

My initial thoughts was that some girls would like to tag themselves away from being called as sluts / working girls. Hence I saw that this show around thing gives them a very proper excuse to convince themselves to keep their dignity and what happens on the tours is just being adults. Since they already made some money after the tour, having their guards completely down, it should be easy to approach or walk away. But listening to you seniors make me think that probably they are not in this mindset (Question)?

Well, times have changed also there. No girl in Kiev was ever proud to be making pocket money on the side. You always had to give them the feeling of appreciation.

I just think the portal you mention offers reviews of clients etc that are all around the tours itself. The girls definitely want to make their way as a guide rather than a prostitute and they earn pretty well with those tours.

Keep in mind: average montly pay is in the 300 Euros. So. Offering a 2 hours tour for 60 Euros ist great. Also: if you go to a massage place you'll end up with a girl making herself (after paying the place) way less than this per hour.

So the choice is obvious.

[NorskKing]

Well, yes. But how do you get to hook up for more than just the tour" .

Booking half a dozen tours to eventually get luck? .

It won't make sense for me at least to keep book with many until I succeed. You point is very valid. That is the reason I was asking this forum to shred some knowledge on trying to understand the mindset of these girls.

My initial thoughts was that some girls would like to tag themselves away from being called as sluts / working girls. Hence I saw that this show around thing gives them a very proper excuse to convince themselves to keep their dignity and what happens on the tours is just being adults. Since they already made some money after the tour, having their guards completely down, it should be easy to approach or walk away. But listening to you seniors make me think that probably they are not in this mindset (Question)?

[NorskKing]

perhaps no more than 1 out of 20 with our primary objective. Not to say it's impossible. Maybe things have changed in two years.

This is what I wanted to know. The probability does not seem to worth the time and money. I will anyhow try this once just to scratch it off my list. Thanks for the inputs.

[DramaFree11]

You can post the link.

I agree with you, for new guys and those without contacts I don't think its worth it to travel to Kiev anymore.

Strip clubs: like Rio are rip offs.

Escort agencies: post fake photos, only KEC posts real photos but photoshopped and girls are overpriced, look at Nina $300 for a fuked up pussy, she's been working there for at least 5-6 yrs.

Reg clubs: lucky to find a good looking girl with reasonable price.

Apartments: seems takes too much time to find a hit girl, read recent reports.

Better to stay the fuk home or travel some where else, its not worth it any more, its easy for good looking Ukrainian girls to travel abroad and work there.

Wow, finally sone honesty and someone that deals in the real world!

Great report!

[Muddy7]

I was in Kiev last September after 10 years.

I remember the Kiev of River Palace and I was deceived.

I just found a good, maybe very good pro trough travelgirls before to go.

300 dollars for a couple of hour but it worth.

Then I found one trough tinder but was 100 dollars wasted.

For me Kiev if somebody know the old Kiev has no reason to go anymore.

I would like to post the ig profile of the good girl or her link to travelgirls but I don't know if I am allowed to do it for privacy rules.

You can post the link.

I agree with you, for new guys and those without contacts I don't think its worth it to travel to Kiev anymore.

Strip clubs: like Rio are rip offs.

Escort agencies: post fake photos, only KEC posts real photos but photoshopped and girls are overpriced, look at Nina $300 for a fuked up pussy, she's been working there for at least 5-6 yrs.

Reg clubs: lucky to find a good looking girl with reasonable price.

Apartments: seems takes too much time to find a hit girl, read recent reports.

Better to stay the fuk home or travel some where else, its not worth it any more, its easy for good looking Ukrainian girls to travel abroad and work there.

[Tomster99]

I just registered in this app and created a trip.

The response I got from females is amazing. About 20 girls contacted me with phone numbers in the first go.

They seem to charge an average of 15/ hour as local guide to show the city. The possibilities seems limitless for someone with game. Anyone have some experience with this?

Well, yes. But how do you get to hook up for more than „just the tour" .

Booking half a dozen tours to eventually get luck? .

[PhotoSlider]

I just registered in this app and created a trip.

The response I got from females is amazing. About 20 girls contacted me with phone numbers in the first go.

They seem to charge an average of 15/ hour as local guide to show the city. The possibilities seems limitless for someone with game. Anyone have some experience with this?

I used it in 2017 specifically to get a partner to walk around city together for free, not even for flirt. I would expect it may proceed as far as enjoyable flirting, and perhaps no more than 1 out of 20 with our primary objective. Not to say it's impossible. Maybe things have changed in two years.

[NorskKing]

I just registered in this app and created a trip.

The response I got from females is amazing. About 20 girls contacted me with phone numbers in the first go.

They seem to charge an average of 15€/ hour as local guide to show the city. The possibilities seems limitless for someone with game. Anyone have some experience with this?

[Tomster99]

But if you ask for Viagra, they will sell brand name Viagra at $15/ pill, plus it might be counterfeit. Ask for sildenafil, which is the generic version. Should be 50 uah or less per 50 MG pill.

Super, great. Thanks!

That makes it easier.

[Kozerog]

Viagra is available over the counter at any pharmacy in Kiev.

But if you ask for Viagra, they will sell brand name Viagra at $15/ pill, plus it might be counterfeit. Ask for sildenafil, which is the generic version. Should be 50 uah or less per 50 MG pill.

[Curious12]

Hi guys.

Wondering: does anyone know a trusted source in Kiew to walk in and get some Sildenafil or Viagra?

Would be easier than carrying back and forth.

Thanks guys.

Viagra is available over the counter at any pharmacy in Kiev.

[DramaFree11]

River Palace 10 Years ago had some good looking girls all under the same roof which made it easier and more noticeable than other options at the time, But at US200+ for take out with a good % of that going into the pockets of security and management was in my mind at the time a price too much to pay to get Laid in Kiev.

I did many RP Girls at happy hour prices following day late afternoon early evening at US $ 100 . It was and still is my Benchmark Price for the type of girl I go for and wouldn't pay more than that in Kiev for it on strictly P4 P.

River Palace wasn't even the best club in the World at the time compared to Help in Rio de Janeiro. Just like Help, River Palace also closed in the same year 2010 but both Rio and Kiev moves on.

Sorry I have to disagree with you, one of the few place worse for girls now is Rio, a major let down, should be avoided.