Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Prior to my trip I tried Russian. When I switched to Ukrainian I got more responses, and even though most conversations eventually switched to basic English, the Ukrainian did help open the door in the beginning. I would say it got me more opportunities, yes.

Very interesting. I should totally switch to Ukrainian then.

The thing is, we are approaching the time, when girls that study or studied at their Universities in Ukrainian, and now also had only Ukrainian in their high school, middle and elementary. Maybe there's a better chance to pass for a local, at least in the beginning.

Being a native Russian speaker, and intermediate in Ukrainian, I do Google translator from Russian into Ukrainian. It does a better job than from English, because English has totally different linguistics.

Walking up five flights of stairs with a heavy suitcase sucks balls, no matter what anyone says.

For airport rides up and down with heavy suitcases I engage my reliable cab driver.

100% agree. Just as crazy as Latina chicks. The girl who started leaving comments on my Mamba profile pics only got pissed when I politely said to her that I was looking for something different that evening. She was mid to late 20's and I said I was looking for 18-22 years old. Well, that was dumb of me, for sure -- never tell a woman, even awoman, that she is too old for you. She wrote that I was a "drocer. " I do not know what that means, and honestly, don't care. Chicks were just pissed that I didn't pick them. Oh well.

Hooker's slang:

Drochit' - to masturbate, to jerk off.

Drocher -- masturbator. Designates a person who calls, talks to the girls, and never orders. Happens a lot in Kiev. Girls block those. Except you ordered her. Well. Jaded hookers use whatever means are available to them.

Frankfurt is the "Baltimore of Europe," I often say. Kiev ranks much higher than that, and it's not just because the women are beautiful and f--k like it was their last lay on earth.

Indeed some of them do!

How does it compare? That's a good question. I've been to Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, Kiev, Bratislava, London, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Moscow, Toronto, Montreal, lots of cities in the US, Dominican Republic, Shanghai. And much of my opinion is based on a combination of the women AND the city itself. Prague and Budapest are both some of my favorite cities, but I am not going to pay anywhere near the same price there for what I got in Kiev. I could have easily had most of the girls for $200-$250 for a full night in Kiev. So while you can easily get a poke from a really hot girl in Prague or Budapest for $100-$125, it's for an hour, not two hours. A 24 hour session in Prague will cost you $750-$900, and in Kiev I bet that would be, at most, $400. Kiev provides value, and ease, that many other cities simply cannot beat, and that alone makes it go much higher on my list. In my opinion it is a top 5 in Europe, for sure.

Solid detailed unbiased analysis. Thanks for answering my question without meaningless emotion.

Will I return? Maybe. But I think my next trip is to spend a few days in Lviv.

AFAIK Lviv is a great city for a couple of days of sight seeing, and totally useless for our hobby.

[PublicInterest]

Have done research; but thought I'the ask for some last minute advice.

1. Does it really start / finish with e* vc or are ANY of the other sights reliable (relaxkiev; other?

2. I seem to have managed to get contacts from Mamba; a few seem genuine, but the vast majority seem to be fake profiles.

3. Is there consensus on favorite strip club?

4. Favorite restaurant for date? BAU? SHO?

5 Favorite pickup bar?

6. Favorite spa?

[Cremate]

I went there only for four days.

First day we had a massage with my friend. Not sure if I can give a number. So it was on St. Volodymerska. Usually if you contact with them in whatsapp or calling them, they make you sure you find the place. Most of the taxi drivers know the places of brothels and massage parlors.

So we entered the place, there were plenty girls and the person who introduced the girls made us choose very fast. I didn't like her attitude. 8-9 girls 1-2 were okeyish.

I picked a girl 1500 uah including touching kissing and shower with her. 900 uah you cannot touch and kiss and no shower afterwards. I was almost fucking her, but the massage was not so good because she was a bit thin.

Tip: Just give 900 uah and in the middle of the massage, offer a nice massage to her and play your game if she likes you, you can get lucky it happened to my friend. Also pick a strong girl so you would have also good massage, full body relaxation. They don't care if you come early I usually come twice.

Second day, I visited an apartment. I found the ad on those websites like relaxkiev etc. Most of the photos are fake or very well taken that you cannot understand from there. I picked a young girl she was 21. We had an amazing time with her, just chemistry worked out quite well.

Tip: Just ask for the lowest price girls, then Mama will send those girls that are not pretty. Don't get satisfied and talk with her somehow again and ask her if she has girls with higher price.

Tip 2: Guys, the prices for girls are quite expensive. If you really want to fuck a 7-8 out of 10 you should give at least 2000- 2500 uah. I usually go around 1300-1500 and they were not so good.

Third day, another visiting an apartment, but this time I didn't like it at all.

Tip: Don't take the girl who is talkative during picking the girls.

We also visited a strip club, but again it was fucking expensive to get a lap dance. I just want to have a simple one. Here they do naked and you are paying 20 euros for 6 minutes or so.

For tourist attraction, I would suggest Chernobyl Museum and check free walking tours in the city. Check also restaurants around Podil area. They are quite good.

BTW, Tinder was not so good for me I had some girls there but Bumble has more hits and girls are more talkative there.

Cheers.

[ASUDevil1]

Interesting choice of communication language. Did all of the girls respond back to you in Ukrainian?

Prior to my trip I tried Russian. When I switched to Ukrainian I got more responses, and even though most conversations eventually switched to basic English, the Ukrainian did help open the door in the beginning. I would say it got me more opportunities, yes.

I try to stay no higher than 3rd floor, but do not like 1st or 2nd floor, because of potential break-ins, especially through the 2nd floor balcony door. Saw comments to that effect on one of AirBnB downtown properties.

Well, I cannot say that this was entirely my fault. When looking at the AirBNB photos, I could see a street directly outside of the window of the small porch, and the street was level with the apartment. Unfortunately, that was because the building was built at the bottom of a big hill, and the street wrapped up and around the back of the building. So I was on the fifth floor, but looking out of the window of the apartment I was visually even with the street.

Like checking and asking for real photos of the girl, it is always best to check!

I personally do not like elevators. They are noisy. And walking up with a high heeled beauty in front of me allows to assess how she moves, help her a bit, and to start building connection. On the other hand the same is true with elevators. They are seldom spacious in Kiev, which allows to reach out and assess her waist line, followed by the first kiss, sometimes passionate from the start.

Walking up five flights of stairs with a heavy suitcase sucks balls, no matter what anyone says. Having to walk up and down 5 flights of steps just to run out and grab a cup of coffee or a small breakfast or something at the store, that also sucks. Second or third floor is the target, I agree. That way even f the elevator doesn't exist, or it is broken, it still is not too bad.

I had an apartment on the first / ground floor in Berlin last year. It was a super-cool apartment, a corner apartment that was probably first a corner store and then was converted. High ceilings, lots of style. Unfortunately the gal I had staying with me overnight was a little loud, so I am sure people walking by heard all of the festivities.

The usual "hooker's jealousy" I find Ukrainian girls behavior quite similar to Latinas. Girls in Costa Rica may fuck left and right, and then throw a conniption fit if after having her for one hour, next day you attempt to chat with her competition. The explanation is simple: they are fighting for resources, - for mongers' money.

100% agree. Just as crazy as Latina chicks. The girl who started leaving comments on my Mamba profile pics only got pissed when I politely said to her that I was looking for something different that evening. She was mid to late 20's and I said I was looking for 18-22 years old. Well, that was dumb of me, for sure -- never tell a woman, even awoman, that she is too old for you. She wrote that I was a "drocer. " I do not know what that means, and honestly, don't care. Chicks were just pissed that I didn't pick them. Oh well.

There's some industry downtown, but really not that much. Did you get away from downtown visiting some of the girls, or they mostly came to your place near Maidan?

I walked up into Old Town Kiev, then quickly through the Christmas market. I wanted to spend the whole next day in the Christmas market but unfortunately, that first day I arrived and walked through was the LST day of the market. Bummer. I was happy I got to spend some time walking around Maidan. There aren't many times one has the opportunity to walk through such a historic spot, and I watched a lot of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution on TV as it was happening. To watch it, and then walk through the square, is quite powerful.

I am sure it is quite a nice city. It's not the worst city I have been in, by far. That award might have to go to Frankfurt, which absolutely sucks as a city and if it wasn't for the FKKs there would be zero reason to go there. Frankfurt is the "Baltimore of Europe," I often say. Kiev ranks much higher than that, and it's not just because the women are beautiful and f--k like it was their last lay on earth.

Under 800 USD for 4 nights and leaving satisfied. Not bad at all, even considering travel and lodging expenses. You also requested slightly extended set of services. Good luck doing it in any of the developed countries for that much.

Realistic expectations, good prep, and proper attitude resulting in happy customer.

Can you compare your mongering experience to any other destinations?

Best regards!

The good thing about Kiev, there was nothing I was asking for that shocked any of the girls. In fact, if I wanted see-m on face, some would say "no, but in mouth is OK. " Or sometimes it was the reverse -- can I see-m in mouth? No, but you can on face. So yeah, 800 USD for four nights plus lodging and meals, which were both very inexpensive, I would say Kiev gives you a LOT for your money, in both ladies and in food / beer / lodging, etc.

How does it compare? That's a good question. I've been to Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, Kiev, Bratislava, London, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Moscow, Toronto, Montreal, lots of cities in the US, Dominican Republic, Shanghai. And much of my opinion is based on a combination of the women AND the city itself. Prague and Budapest are both some of my favorite cities, but I am not going to pay anywhere near the same price there for what I got in Kiev. I could have easily had most of the girls for $200-$250 for a full night in Kiev. So while you can easily get a poke from a really hot girl in Prague or Budapest for $100-$125, it's for an hour, not two hours. A 24 hour session in Prague will cost you $750-$900, and in Kiev I bet that would be, at most, $400. Kiev provides value, and ease, that many other cities simply cannot beat, and that alone makes it go much higher on my list. In my opinion it is a top 5 in Europe, for sure.

Will I return? Maybe. But I think my next trip is to spend a few days in Lviv.

[ASUDevil1]

I guess that doesn't happen to me much since I always make it clear I'm on a tight budget whether true or not. This one in particular hit me with emergency for dog, pay for future session in advance, help her out because of a slow day, etc etc.

I's always something. Need to pay rent, need to pay credit, phone, something for the kids, etc. I don't want to sound uncaring -- in some of these cases it is probably true. The average monthly income for a Ukrainian is around $300 USD per month. So it can't be easy to get by for many people. But I also was aware, thanks to this board and my own awareness, that this is how the game is played, and that helped me fine tune my bullcrap sensor to easily deflect the sob stories. I just responded each time with "Sorry baby, but I can't help you today. "

[SamPeter71]

Hi David.

I will be coming to Kiev for 3 days in 1st week of February. I have read lot of posts and understand that it is not easy here to get girls and lot of work needed.

So I plan to stick to apartments and clubs.

I live in us and originally from India. If you are coming to Bangalore or Calcutta, I can help with contacts. If you needs roles in Tijuana I can help.

If you need any info on Barcelona or Montreal I can help.

Could you please help with any polointers on Kiev?

Thanks.

I have been through about 30 girls.

I have lots of info about apartments in maidan, arena city area, klovska.

I have 10/12 apartments that I have experience with, and 6 or 7 agency contacts.

Prices range from 1200 up to 2100.

I have come across some people who are happy to exchange, others just want to take and not give back, so clearly I'm not going to give info to the one who doesn't give back to me or the forum.

I can share the contact of a Ukrainian friend, who lives here, and can help with many things.

I have also a number of girls that I can share with someone willing to do the same.

Photoslider's help was very invaluable to get me started, and I was lucky to be in contact with someone from Germany (unfortunately he was here for only a few days) who had the same approach as myself to sharing.

Message me if you want to get info.

[Member #4722]

Don't they all do that? Heck, half of the gals did it to me while I was there.

I guess that doesn't happen to me much since I always make it clear I'm on a tight budget whether true or not. This one in particular hit me with emergency for dog, pay for future session in advance, help her out because of a slow day, etc etc.

[ASUDevil1]

If this is the Viktoria I'm thinking of then she has probably been hitting you up nonstop for money nonstop via WhatsApp LOL.

Don't they all do that? Heck, half of the gals did it to me while I was there.

[Paveli]

Thanks you guys.

How far can we go with masseuses? Are there any tips to pay? Handjob / blowjob is it included? Can we fuck the masseuse?

Thanks a lot!

Affaires.

As far as your game goes. It depends on many factors obviously. Usually just a handjob is included with the basic program. You can get more expensive programs with body massage (she rubs her tits on you), and kisses, and touches. The rest is up to every individual. Usually the answer is no. If you are looking to fuck just go to a prostitute.

[Member #4722]

- Met with Valeria and Viktoria on day one. Both use real photos on Mamba. Viktoria changes her name on Mamba all the time. Both girls gave excellent 1. 5-2 hours for 2400 UAH.

If this is the Viktoria I'm thinking of then she has probably been hitting you up nonstop for money nonstop via WhatsApp LOL.

[PhotoSlider]

Hello fellow mongers,

Here is a quick report from my trip to Kiev...

My trip: Four nights. Arrive on Sunday, leave on Thursday morning.

Great report format! Thank you much for posting this. Forum didn't have that many informative reports lately.

Use Google Translate to translate it to Ukrainian. This worked well for me.

Interesting choice of communication language. Did all of the girls respond back to you in Ukrainian?

I do a mix of Ukrainian and Russian. Usually Russian, as it is still most commonly used language in Kiev. I very much like learning Ukrainian, especially with native tongue carriers.

Many of the buildings in Kiev are older and do not have elevators. Don't make the mistake I did of not checking which floor the apartment is on. Walking up five flights of steps with a girl you just met tends to spoil the mood a bit.

I try to stay no higher than 3rd floor, but do not like 1st or 2nd floor, because of potential break-ins, especially through the 2nd floor balcony door. Saw comments to that effect on one of AirBnB downtown properties.

I personally do not like elevators. They are noisy. And walking up with a high heeled beauty in front of me allows to assess how she moves, help her a bit, and to start building connection. On the other hand the same is true with elevators. They are seldom spacious in Kiev, which allows to reach out and assess her waist line, followed by the first kiss, sometimes passionate from the start.

A couple of the girls I am messaging start to get pissed because by the time they send me a response I have already lined up other girls. One even starts to post comments to my Mamba photos. These chicks are nuts. Some girls think that if you message her for a meeting you are only messaging her, but the no show rate is high and honestly, if you take 2-3 hours to respond to a message, what else is a man to do?

The usual "hooker's jealousy" I find Ukrainian girls behavior quite similar to Latinas. Girls in Costa Rica may fuck left and right, and then throw a conniption fit if after having her for one hour, next day you attempt to chat with her competition. The explanation is simple: they are fighting for resources, - for mongers' money.

...I stopped in the middle of the fun and told her to get the hell out of the apartment. I'm an idiot, I should have noticed that the comments capability on all of her photos was blocked.

Great advice on watching the comments blocked. Even better advice on kicking her out without having much regret.

All in all, I very nice trip. I was not that much impressed with Kiev as a city itself (sorry, I do not say that to offend anyone). It is a very big city, dusty, very industrial.

There's some industry downtown, but really not that much. Did you get away from downtown visiting some of the girls, or they mostly came to your place near Maidan?

I am rather passionate about Kiev, but surely am not offended. Tastes differ.

But the women were fantastic, and considering I banged my brains out for four days and spent less than 18,000 UAH Total, I would say there is good value.

Under 800 USD for 4 nights and leaving satisfied. Not bad at all, even considering travel and lodging expenses. You also requested slightly extended set of services. Good luck doing it in any of the developed countries for that much.

Realistic expectations, good prep, and proper attitude resulting in happy customer.

Can you compare your mongering experience to any other destinations?

Best regards!

[ASUDevil1]

Hello fellow mongers,

Here is a quick report from my trip to Kiev. But first, a few ground rules:

1) I am not going to give out a ton of details on every single girl I saw. The reason for this is simple. The girls on Mamba change all the time. Some are there and two weeks later, gone. So giving this info is not as critical.

2) I'm not doing a play-by-play. You want that, read Penthouse Letters, if it still exists.

My trip: Four nights. Arrive on Sunday, leave on Thursday morning.

Pre-trip:

- a few weeks before my trip I spent time on Mamba getting some connections. Like others suggested, it is good to have a listing of the girls you connect with and the phone numbers they provide. A couple of times different girls with different photos gave me the same number, which definitely means "agency."

- Line up multiple girls to see. Even if you tell a provider you will arrive on Sunday and want to see her at 20:00, and she says yes she will see you, that doesn't mean she will be available. Plans change and chicks are flighty. I had two definite meetings planned with two girls who confirmed that were suddenly "out of town" or working when I arrived.

- When sending messages, respect the girl and her time. Keep messages short and be clear about what you want. A simple introduction: "Hi -) My name is XXX and I saw your photos on Mamba. You are very beautiful. I would like to meet you this afternoon or evening. Are you available? We can discuss on Viber, Telegram, or WhatsApp. " Use Google Translate to translate it to Ukrainian. This worked well for me.

- once you get a response, move the conversation to WhatsApp or Viber. Some girls may not give you a WhatsApp or Viber number until you arrive or are definite. That's fine, continue chatting with them on Mamba. Just note that you will get faster responses and clearer communications working through Viber or WhatsApp or Telegram. Once on WhatsApp or Viber, you can be clear about what you want. After exchanging greetings, do the following: a) say precisely what you want. For example: "I'm looking for 2 hours, oral without, kissing, deep BJ, lick pu$$y, cum in mouth, 2,400 UAH. " She will respond and tell you whether that works for her or not.

- Big tip. Ask for real photos. As you have read, Mamba has lots of fake photos. Some of the photos are fake because the girl wants to protect her identity but she is still pretty in real life. Other photos are fake because they want to scam you. Of my eight encounters, I had ONE bait and switch. And it was the only one where I forgot to ask for confirming photos. Of the other 7 encounters, four had real photos on Mamba, 3 did not but sent me real ones through WhatsApp / Viber.

Arrival:

Flew directly to Kiev from Warsaw. Total flight time about two hours. Flew info Zhuliany, which is a small airport but very easy to navigate and to get in and out of. Took Uber from airport to AirBNB downtown, stayed two blocks from Maidan. Some things to note. Many of the buildings in Kiev are older and do not have elevators. Don't make the mistake I did of not checking which floor the apartment is on. Walking up five flights of steps with a girl you just met tends to spoil the mood a bit.

Uber cost from airport to downtown - 150 UAH $6. 25 USD.

AirBNB cost: $55 per night.

Day 1 (Sunday).

- Once I arrived at the airport I had a few hours to kill since my apartment was not ready. So I got coffee at the airport and started to message my girls from the list. Good to do this early and be clear: "I'm in Kiev now, can we meet at 14:00?" Send out messages to several girls instead of waiting around -- some will respond quicker than others, but if you hold out waiting for the "perfect" one you've had your eye on, you will miss the others. Two girls who said they would meet me when I arrived on this day are suddenly out of town.

- Met with Valeria and Viktoria on day one. Both use real photos on Mamba. Viktoria changes her name on Mamba all the time. Both girls gave excellent 1. 5-2 hours for 2400 UAH.

Day 2.

- wake up and do some walking around, lunch, etc. Messaging girls here and there while taking a break. Line up one girl (Natali, 36 https: www. Mamba. Ru / mb1752097087#/ app) for the afternoon and then repeat in the evening with Viktoria. Natali photos are mostly fake, she is many years older now. But still puts out like a champ.

Day 3.

- Much the same as Day 2. Enjoy the city and line everything up during the day. A couple of the girls I am messaging start to get pissed because by the time they send me a response I have already lined up other girls. One even starts to post comments to my Mamba photos. These chicks are nuts. Some girls think that if you message her for a meeting you are only messaging her, but the no show rate is high and honestly, if you take 2-3 hours to respond to a message, what else is a man to do? I meet with М1072;1083;1080;1085;1086;1074;1072;1103; З1077;1092;1080;1088;1082;1072; 30 (https: www.mamba.ru/ mb1301887976#/ app). Fake photos for her, she is not a slender red head but is more like a 30 year old short hair blonds, but she still has a great body, great tits, and is very pretty. So this was worth it.

Day 4.

- last day. I meet with Anna and miss an opportunity to meet with Melania on Mamba. This is also the day I fall for the scam. This girl В1077;1088;1086;1085;1080;1082;1072;, 27 (https: www.mamba.ru / mb1769589878?sp=1&noid=1769589878&nchanged=1578759217&nactive=1# Not her real photos, and was basically such a ***** that I stopped in the middle of the fun and told her to get the hell out of the apartment. I'm an idiot, I should have noticed that the comments capability on all of her photos was blocked.

All in all, I very nice trip. I was not that much impressed with Kiev as a city itself (sorry, I do not say that to offend anyone). It is a very big city, dusty, very industrial. But the women were fantastic, and considering I banged my brains out for four days and spent less than 18,000 UAH Total, I would say there is good value.

[Affaires]

My favorite massage parlor was Topless Club / Topless Salon / Adele or whatever they call themselves. It was really good, pretty girls, full time / service that was promised. Prices were decent too. Sadly they closed December, no idea why.

Had some time and I had to search myself a different massage place. I was planning on going to Dream but they were also closed that day. So I went to Relax on Pushkinska street.

I was basically robbed. I paid 1500 for body + 2 relax and didn't get either body or 2 relax. In addition I only received 40 minutes of service and the girl had a really sour face. So be warned.

I will try to go to dream when I have some spare time.

I've visited three of the salons you've mentioned, Relax, Dream and MR, I preferred Relax over Dream simply because the girls were friendlier and more of a cozy place, albeit, the girls at Dream were a bit more attractive, Dream was also very busy, they kind of want you in and out as quick as possible, kind of like a buffet, Relax was just the opposite. I am kind of hesitate to talk about MR because it's been about two years since my last visit.

Thanks you guys.

How far can we go with masseuses? Are there any tips to pay? Handjob / blowjob is it included? Can we fuck the masseuse?

Thanks a lot!

Affaires.

[Paveli]

My favorite massage parlor was Topless Club / Topless Salon / Adele or whatever they call themselves. It was really good, pretty girls, full time / service that was promised. Prices were decent too. Sadly they closed December, no idea why.

Had some time and I had to search myself a different massage place. I was planning on going to Dream but they were also closed that day. So I went to Relax on Pushkinska street.

I was basically robbed. I paid 1500 for body + 2 relax and didn't get either body or 2 relax. In addition I only received 40 minutes of service and the girl had a really sour face. So be warned.

I will try to go to dream when I have some spare time.

I've visited three of the salons you've mentioned, Relax, Dream and MR, I preferred Relax over Dream simply because the girls were friendlier and more of a cozy place, albeit, the girls at Dream were a bit more attractive, Dream was also very busy, they kind of want you in and out as quick as possible, kind of like a buffet, Relax was just the opposite. I am kind of hesitate to talk about MR because it's been about two years since my last visit.

[Timmy21]

I've visited three of the salons you've mentioned, Relax, Dream and MR, I preferred Relax over Dream simply because the girls were friendlier and more of a cozy place, albeit, the girls at Dream were a bit more attractive, Dream was also very busy, they kind of want you in and out as quick as possible, kind of like a buffet, Relax was just the opposite. I am kind of hesitate to talk about MR because it's been about two years since my last visit.

Hi guys,

I'm going to Kiev in few weeks and I love massages, especially erotic massage. I found a lot of erotic massage parlours in Kiev, but I don't know which ones are the best. Can you help me?

I'm looking for naked girl massage with extra. Handjob minimum, blowjob or love.

And, can you tell the avarage prices?

I saw these parlours: Angelina, Erotic Time, "Relax", Salon Dream, Moulin rouge, Afrodita.

And if you have any advices for me, I'm a beginner.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Affaires.