Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Always remember that all women between the age age of 20 and 30 are looking for a relationship that ends in marriage, hence v in summer they all go to cities where they increase their chances, . Odessa in ukraine, constanta mamaia in romania, varna in Bulgaria.

Very tough to compete with this goal, so always better wAit for early September when girls return to universities and need funding for it.

Summer time is to fullfill their goal of marriage!!

Did they change plans this Summer.

[Riina]

How long did it take in Kiev before you realized the scene was mostly leftovers?

[Altruist]

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[IndusMint]

Returned from a business trip in Kiev, plenty of great fun and contacts from late twenties to early thirties, if interrested by contacts pm stating nationality and age.

[NightRider16]

10 days ago. My 3rd girl in Kiev. Taking it slow this time, already 4 days in, after landing at KBP. 1 m 78 beauty (5 feet 10 for Forum members in US of A), no words exchanged on extras. The impregnable fortress eventually fell down, the holy of the holies has been made available for kisses and more, and the ultimate is about to happen).

I am reaching for "Made in USA" Trojan in my bed side drawer. She insists on using her own Contex. I smile. She says OK, and shows with her hands invitation to the ever so familiar rock paper scissors game. I win the first one. She says got to be three tries. I still win 2:1, put the Trojan on, fuck her proper and tender until we come together.

She is only 19, but her mind is of 27-28 years old. Smart ladies grow up fast in the Capital City. Very short skirt while arriving and departing, and never ending legs. Life is great.

It is only 9:15 pm in Kiev. I already had two great girls today. One of them will meet me outside of the confines of her agency in few days. Another one from the same source will come in tomorrow morning to collect 100% of the fee, instead of sharing with the agency, and another one arrives on the commuter train at 1 pm to stay for couple days. Life is great.

Could you provide the agency she is from? I normally use KEC but looking for other options. Thanks.

[Shanamat]

Hey MNP, I'll be in Kiev then. Hit me up, my schedule is pretty open.

Hello IST fellows,

I will visit Kiev for a week (9/7-9/14). Do you have any contacts or tips that you could share via PM? If you are also in Kiev, let's meet up for a drink. Thanks!

[PhotoSlider]

10 days ago. My 3rd girl in Kiev. Taking it slow this time, already 4 days in, after landing at KBP. 1 m 78 beauty (5 feet 10 for Forum members in US of A), no words exchanged on extras. The impregnable fortress eventually fell down, the holy of the holies has been made available for kisses and more, and the ultimate is about to happen).

I am reaching for "Made in USA" Trojan in my bed side drawer. She insists on using her own Contex. I smile. She says OK, and shows with her hands invitation to the ever so familiar rock paper scissors game. I win the first one. She says got to be three tries. I still win 2:1, put the Trojan on, fuck her proper and tender until we come together.

She is only 19, but her mind is of 27-28 years old. Smart ladies grow up fast in the Capital City. Very short skirt while arriving and departing, and never ending legs. Life is great.

It is only 9:15 pm in Kiev. I already had two great girls today. One of them will meet me outside of the confines of her agency in few days. Another one from the same source will come in tomorrow morning to collect 100% of the fee, instead of sharing with the agency, and another one arrives on the commuter train at 1 pm to stay for couple days. Life is great.

[NorskKing]

I'm now counting days for my trip to Kiev.

I do not have a specific plan. Mamba did not give me results yet even with subscription.

My special girl left Ukraine few months ago, I'm open to find new girl seeking help.

I'll be starting near the walking street near MC Donald.

Will see who will take a bite to my baits.

I'll try to give detail repot of actions and my thoughts.

If some one feels generous to share their contacts please do me a message. And no, I'm not cheap. I will "help" the girls generously.

[Kozerog]

Another summer in Kyiv comes to an end. I saw same escort girl as previous two summers, 24 meetings (twice weekly) of about 4 hours each. Her standard rate for 4 hours is $150 uah (or $110 for 2 hours, $80 for 1 hour, rates unchanged since two years ago) but I raised to $190 in June plus gave $2000 bonus at final meeting (bonus not promised or discussed prior to final meeting), so total of about $6450, or much more than standard rate, especially if calculated on basis of 24 shorter length meetings. Based on ATM withdrawals and difference between cash on hand at arrival and departure, additional cash expenses of $3305 over 87 days: $28/ night for apartment, $10/ day for food, medical tests, entertainment, local transportation.

I paid girl extra for several reasons: incentivize her to continue seeing me in the future even if she stops seeing other clients (I can sense she is already reducing her escort work); prospect of bonus encourages reliable service (she has indeed been very reliable, possibly because of smaller bonuses at end of previous two summers); take her off market to some extent, by raising price for anyone who wants to sponsor her full-time; better to give excess money to someone I like while alive than let distant relatives inherit it when I die (no children of my own). Instead of raising rate and giving big bonus, I could have simply arranged more meetings. However, I get bored seeing her more than twice weekly. In fact, if living year-round in Kyiv, once a week would be plenty.

Several weeks ago, girl removed her Viber photo and also set Viber to private mode so I can't tell when she last logged in. When I first noticed these changes, I thought she was going ghost, maybe because she met a boyfriend her own age, or maybe just tired of escorting. I felt sad at losing her and disgusted at prospect of having to seek a replacement. Turned out to be a false alarm, as she responded as usual to my message setting up our next meeting. At that meeting, she explained that someone from her native village, who isn't supposed to know she is an escort, somehow discovered her escort work number, which is why she removed the photo. She also said she doesn't have a boyfriend currently and her last boyfriend had no job and no money, lived with his parents, was jealous and controlling and younger than her, and similar story with all her ex-boyfriends. I think she has become spoiled by associating with wealthy older foreign men as clients.

Sex with current girl is routine at this point and we have little to say to one another. On the other hand, sex is consistently good, like a well-oiled machine, she has never done or said anything to annoy me (other than occasionally forgetting to set her smartphone to "do not disturb" mode), I feel comfortable with her in my bed and sad at the idea of losing her. Compare with every other escort, sugar baby or ordinary unpaid girlfriend I've been with for the past 15 years, who I soon grew tired of, plus more than half the time I was impotent with these other women. Overall, she makes me feel sexually content, in the sense that the sexual part of my life is taken care of, even during remaining nine months of year. None of the nagging sexual discontent I used to feel, because of either no sex or else bad sex with women I didn't really like. Contented but slightly bored is much better than discontented.

From what I can see, girl's primary goal right now is financial security (growing her internet business and buying real estate) rather than getting married or having children, which suggests she'll continue seeing me for at least several more years, if I want. At one time, I considered inviting her to spend a week or so with me outside Ukraine. But as noted above, I get bored seeing her more often than twice weekly and even then we have little to say to one another, so a full week together probably not a good idea. Probably not a good idea with any woman, in fact: I'm too used to being alone most of the time.

[NorskKing]

Next level are show-around girls. Just like all of the above, they sell the promise, the ever so elusive pursuit of happiness. They never commit verbally to anything solid. Showing night life, being your wingwoman. Is as far as it gets

There are two sides of this game with showaround girls when thinking only from our (not girl's) perspective.

1. Desperately hoping that something will happen and behave strange around that girl and give her an upper hand and a chance for her to easily deny the offer and help her prove to herself that she is "not that kind of girl".

2. Accept already that nothing is going to happen, enjoy the night clubs and her being your wing woman. Confuse her to the hell as to why we don't flirt with her and use all her knowledge and language to get to know other girls and bring their guards down. I would think that are good 20 $ per spent on first day + few drinks on her. But remember, some of us are adventurous and like to have a game before getting in between their legs.

I appreciate the discussions here, Kiev thread is very much alive and full of great thinkers.

[PhotoSlider]

This is what I wanted to know. The probability does not seem to worth the time and money. I will anyhow try this once just to scratch it off my list. Thanks for the inputs.

As others have explained, there is an attitude gradient with respect to girls considering themselves "I am not a prostitute!

It starts with semi-pros, indies and mamba girls sleeping for compensation, and not thinking of themselves as hardcore prostitutes.

Then there are erotic masseuses, few more grades down. They jerk off customers to the happy ending, allow for an occasional cuni and even DFK, but no penetration on premises. No fucking, and no BJ. Outcalls may result in sex. Building relationship is also possible.

Next level are show-around girls. Just like all of the above, they sell the promise, the ever so elusive pursuit of happiness. They never commit verbally to anything solid. Showing night life, being your wingwoman is as far as it goes. I do see some $50 an hour ladies. Maybe those fuck. I also know that at least one Ukrainian show around girl flew out to Italy with expenses paid, and refused to provide. She in fact threw a tantrum when one of the hobbyists assumed she would, and especially when the guy expressed displeasure with her refusal. She insisted that she is an honest young lady, and he was gravely mistaken. She told me that story herself, and took great pride in punishing the guy.

[SFNative]

Have any members here experienced the saunas?

[Curious12]

Also what is KEC?

Thanks.

Escort agency.

https://escort.vc/news

[BCTravel]

Hey everyone,

I am booked to go to Kiev in mid September. I am not a fan of doing the online thing to meet girls. I would rather do in person. Can you tell me, is there certain bars and clubs the working girls hang out at? I would rather meet them at a bar that way than online. Any help would be appreciated. Also what is KEC?

Thanks.

[Mnp25]

Hello IST fellows,

I will visit Kiev for a week (9/7-9/14). Do you have any contacts or tips that you could share via PM? If you are also in Kiev, let's meet up for a drink. Thanks!