Kyiv

[YummyPL]

Wizz Air landed 5 planes today 17 August In zuliany.

They have 6 Landing 18 August.

I don't know how they can sustain this. That many planes cannot be near full.

[DramaFree11]

What about if you are flying from a "red" country but hold a passport of a "green" country. Is quarantine necessary?

If so, can it be at hotel / accommodation of my choice or is that determined by state?

I doubt you will have a choice. This is crazy to fly to any country that might quarantine you. This is a path you do not want to go down and what happens if you get real sick, you may never leave. Pick a destination where there is no chance of Quarantine, just way to risky.

[Nordic Nomad]

First of all, thank you for good tips everyone posting here, I've been reading forum for year without registering. Figured I post my experiences from Kiev if these help someone else, lets start with the trainwrecks.

1. Because my arranged date canceled I had to find something fast I decided to try erotic massage, Google gave me a hit walking distance from my hotel. I booked 4 habd massage with lesbian show, address given led me to soviet era apartment building with broken elevator and ladies who were on their prime back when wall was still standing, no lesbian show (which was probably good thing), crappy massage and covered BJ for 1500 uah. One of the times when I should of turned away but hangover horniness makes my head bit fuzzy.

2. Another canceled date on another trip and I called agency I googled, iwait biz. I asked for 2 girls, owo and lesbian show. Price quoted for girls I picked from their site was 3600 total. Reality was something else, two Crocodiles delivered looked like they were picked from truck stop with a time machine to 80's. Horrible agency, avoid at all cost.

Not all that bad tho, I have few good experiences as well.

1. After my adventure to that soviet era massage parlour I messaged to girl I found from eurogirlsescort, she went by name Laila and obviously had fake photos but she said that we can meet for a cup of coffee first and I make decision after. She turned out to be smart and nice company on and put of bedroom, fluent in English, great GFE. Can recommend If bbws is your thing, 4000 for 2 hours.

2. My first trip ever to Kiev and I got number of some private agent from Tinder, rates for girls were 1600 or 2200. I picked one from 2200 and got delivered different girl than asked, on this case it was probably good thing as she was stunning and spoke fluent English.

3. Another agency, vipmolly. I asked for owo, CIM and DATY. Operator listed available girls and gave me a Price for hour, 4100+taxi. Everything went as agreed, price was steep but that's how it is in Kiev when you want extras from agencies sadly.

4. Indie and her friend from Kiev-girls. Asked for DFK, owo, CIM, DATY and they have me Price of 200 euros for 3 some. Took a taxi to given address and girls met me at the street from where we went shopping for some brandy, excellent service, I met them again next day but sadly could not repeat as they were going to Germany to make some money at their brothels.

In conclusion I have more good than bad experiences and I really want to like Kiev for mongering as otherwise its really nice city, but its quite hard since there is zero logic in P4P prices there have zero logic, with my preferred extras lot of other countries close by are actually cheaper than Ukraine. Girls can easily visit some European country for a month and make big bucks, so they charge same no matter where they are. P.S. Attached pic of duo of My 4th good one.

[Hestendk]

For those of you planning or hoping to fly Ukraine International Airlines into Ukraine, they have stopped sales of all tickets until August 1, 2020. Here is the link.

https://korrespondent.net/business/c...v-do-1-avhusta

They have not been able to get any details from governments or partners about exact travel regulations plus many various rules related to what happens when you arrive for flight outbound from Ukraine regarding the virus and how they will deal it it for July.

For now they are flying passengers who are Ukrainians only with work or permanent residency permits abroad, or evacuation flights of foreigners still in Ukraine who want to go home and then inbound flights from those self-same locations of Ukrainians coming home.

Be very careful about tickets you buy to / from Ukraine from ALL airlines since rules may change at a moment's notice. Or not at all.

Korrespondent either got it wrong or misleading everyone.

FlyUia will start some routes before 1 August and they already announced which.

https://www.flyuia.com/ua/en/news/20...tional-flights

Wizz Air landed 5 planes today 17 August In zuliany.

They have 6 Landing 18 August.

[PhotoSlider]

Insuretravel is a Russian company which interfaces to various insurance companies, probably all Russian. I would prefer a Ukrainian insurance company to minimize problems at the border. The 7 day policy which UIA gave me for free shows a Ukrainian government stamp on the PDF. Not sure if a Russian insurance company would be eligible for that.

Yeah, you are the pioneer in the Wild West at this point.

Airport agent may object to 7 days not covering your 14 days quarantine, but it's a good start in this gamble.

Insure Travel for 30 days is 1100 rubles, not UAH. It is about 15 USD. I would try asking UIA directly if combination of their 7 days and 30 days with Insure Travel will suffice. Would UIA not allow you to board if insurance is not adequate?

Also, how can you stay 4 months? I thought 90 days every 6 months is tops for non-residents.

[Kozerog]

I just spoke to Pro100 UA via chat. They do not cover COVID yet, saying "The product is under development".

Looks like insure travel does. Would be interesting to hear from the first foreigner flying into KBP and successfully crossing the border with health insurance considered valid by the airport agents and officers.

Insuretravel is a Russian company which interfaces to various insurance companies, probably all Russian. I would prefer a Ukrainian insurance company to minimize problems at the border. The 7 day policy which UIA gave me for free shows a Ukrainian government stamp on the PDF. Not sure if a Russian insurance company would be eligible for that.

[Uke Boy]

For those of you planning or hoping to fly Ukraine International Airlines into Ukraine, they have stopped sales of all tickets until August 1, 2020. Here is the link.

https://korrespondent.net/business/c...v-do-1-avhusta

They have not been able to get any details from governments or partners about exact travel regulations plus many various rules related to what happens when you arrive for flight outbound from Ukraine regarding the virus and how they will deal it it for July.

For now they are flying passengers who are Ukrainians only with work or permanent residency permits abroad, or evacuation flights of foreigners still in Ukraine who want to go home and then inbound flights from those self-same locations of Ukrainians coming home.

Be very careful about tickets you buy to / from Ukraine from ALL airlines since rules may change at a moment's notice. Or not at all.

[Punter6996]

What about if you are flying from a "red" country but hold a passport of a "green" country. Is quarantine necessary?

If so, can it be at hotel / accommodation of my choice or is that determined by state?

This chart is interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It charts "Active cases per 100,000. " Active case means all infection cases minus recovered (and mortal?) cases. The figure in the green column can be obtained by "active case / population x 100,000".

There's not much difference between Sweden without lockdown and UK with lockdown.

[PhotoSlider]

https://www.insure.travel/countries/...ovka-v-ukrainu

Has easy to use interface and appears to do what I want. Namely, send me a PDF in Russian (or maybe Ukrainian) that I can show Border Control. Quote for 4 week policy for 59 yo was 1100 UAH, or about $42.

I also sent email to pro100.ua and am awaiting response. Unfortunately, their website is Ukrainian only and not smartphone friendly.

I just spoke to Pro100 UA via chat. They do not cover COVID yet, saying "The product is under development".

Looks like insure travel does. Would be interesting to hear from the first foreigner flying into KBP and successfully crossing the border with health insurance considered valid by the airport agents and officers.

[Kozerog]

https://www.insure.travel/countries/...ovka-v-ukrainu

Has easy to use interface and appears to do what I want. Namely, send me a PDF in Russian (or maybe Ukrainian) that I can show Border Control. Quote for 4 week policy for 59 yo was 1100 UAH, or about $42.

I also sent email to pro100.ua and am awaiting response. Unfortunately, their website is Ukrainian only and not smartphone friendly.

[Questner]

No company covers this malady now, it's a known event during the Pandemic.

[Hestendk]

Safetywing regular Nomad policy specifically excludes covid, and the remote health policy is yearly only. Worldnomads offers a policy for about $111 for 4 weeks that includes covid. This should get me through passport control, and who cares what happens after 4 weeks. I'm also thinking of just forging a fake policy. If Ukraine really wants to protect itself against foreigners using their medical facilities for free, then they should sell the insurance themselves at the airport and force everyone to buy it.

Pro100 ua sell travel insurance to travel to ukraine, they speak english so send them an request and they can help.

They pretty cheap and alot of foreigners use them for 1 years insurance when applying for the visa.

[Kozerog]

Try safety wing for insurance.

Safetywing regular Nomad policy specifically excludes covid, and the remote health policy is yearly only. Worldnomads offers a policy for about $111 for 4 weeks that includes covid. This should get me through passport control, and who cares what happens after 4 weeks. I'm also thinking of just forging a fake policy. If Ukraine really wants to protect itself against foreigners using their medical facilities for free, then they should sell the insurance themselves at the airport and force everyone to buy it.

[SfoCowboy]

Try safety wing for insurance.

Problem with using cases per 100 K is that, the more you test, the more cases you find, mostly cases with mild symptoms. And vice-versa: no testing, no covid. Plus testing not always accurate because the nurse first has to get an accurate swap, then the test machine is not perfect. Some very poor countries may have limited testing capability, so report little or no covid despite actually having lots of covid. Other poor countries may have a financial incentive (from developmental assistance organizations) to test as much as possible and get as many positive results as possible, so they end up inflating their numbers.

Truly useful statistics are excess death counts at https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, since no way to fake total death counts in a developed country (wrong classification of cause of death is still possible, but total death count is very accurate). Sweden and UK do indeed show similar trajectories, though both trajectories are delayed relative to Spain and Switzerland, among others. Norway and Greece, among others, avoided any spike in excess deaths. All recent spikes in excess deaths on those graphs are from covid. Previous spikes are from seasonal flu. Now that spikes are receding everywhere in Europe and so situation is clearly under control, regardless of case counts.

I can't fault Ukraine for using active case counts to distinguish red / green countries, since using such counts would make sense ASSUMING all countries used same testing protocol, and tested same percentage of population, and used same criteria for deciding when cases no longer active. Of course, these assumptions are not true. But at this point, it is clear that politicians who dare to do anything unconventional (such as in Sweden) will be subjected to harsh criticism, so the only safe thing from politicians' perspective is follow WHO rules, which is probably what Ukraine is doing.

I'm an American in Spain. Covid is under control in Spain, with about 181 new cases but no deaths yesterday, however active cases count is still high for some reason (maybe they are very slow to list cases as resolved), so I'll probably have to self-isolate when I arrive in Kyiv on July 4. I plan to stay in Kyiv 4 months, so 2 weeks in quarantine no big deal.

My main concern right now is insurance. Hopefully, they will be selling insurance at the airport, because the UIA (Ukrainian International Air) insurance policy that came with my ticket is only for 7 days. Any suggestions for cheap online purchase travel policies for Americans? Someone recommended staysure, but that is for British nationals only.

[Kozerog]

There's not much difference between Sweden without lockdown and UK with lockdown.

Problem with using cases per 100 K is that, the more you test, the more cases you find, mostly cases with mild symptoms. And vice-versa: no testing, no covid. Plus testing not always accurate because the nurse first has to get an accurate swap, then the test machine is not perfect. Some very poor countries may have limited testing capability, so report little or no covid despite actually having lots of covid. Other poor countries may have a financial incentive (from developmental assistance organizations) to test as much as possible and get as many positive results as possible, so they end up inflating their numbers.

Truly useful statistics are excess death counts at https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, since no way to fake total death counts in a developed country (wrong classification of cause of death is still possible, but total death count is very accurate). Sweden and UK do indeed show similar trajectories, though both trajectories are delayed relative to Spain and Switzerland, among others. Norway and Greece, among others, avoided any spike in excess deaths. All recent spikes in excess deaths on those graphs are from covid. Previous spikes are from seasonal flu. Now that spikes are receding everywhere in Europe and so situation is clearly under control, regardless of case counts.

I can't fault Ukraine for using active case counts to distinguish red / green countries, since using such counts would make sense ASSUMING all countries used same testing protocol, and tested same percentage of population, and used same criteria for deciding when cases no longer active. Of course, these assumptions are not true. But at this point, it is clear that politicians who dare to do anything unconventional (such as in Sweden) will be subjected to harsh criticism, so the only safe thing from politicians' perspective is follow WHO rules, which is probably what Ukraine is doing.

I'm an American in Spain. Covid is under control in Spain, with about 181 new cases but no deaths yesterday, however active cases count is still high for some reason (maybe they are very slow to list cases as resolved), so I'll probably have to self-isolate when I arrive in Kyiv on July 4. I plan to stay in Kyiv 4 months, so 2 weeks in quarantine no big deal.

My main concern right now is insurance. Hopefully, they will be selling insurance at the airport, because the UIA (Ukrainian International Air) insurance policy that came with my ticket is only for 7 days. Any suggestions for cheap online purchase travel policies for Americans? Someone recommended staysure, but that is for British nationals only.