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05-19-19 14:23 #19522
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Francis4 [View Original Post]
So that's a good reason to be near a police station. My regular apartment is located 100 m from a police station and I am happy with that near proximity, precisely because of safety issues. Police bribery has been mostly eliminated in recent years for tourists (they may still target brothels, escort agencies and independent escorts).
Regarding models, did you guys know that true fashion models are mostly somewhat unattractive, if considered as women? Fashion models are chosen by gay men, whose ideal of human beauty is a 12 year old boy: narrow hips, flat chest, male face, etc. True fashion models typically resemble David Bowie more than a normal woman. My ideal of human beauty would be Playboy centerfolds from the 1960's, before political correctness set in. Those centerfolds would never make it as fashion models because they are too fleshy.
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05-19-19 13:48 #19521
Posts: 387Kiev has become more difficult but it is still worth.
I also agree with Dramafree. Now Kiev has become more difficult in comparison to what it was 2 years ago. Basically semipros have vanished from mamba,8's and above are reduced. All happened due to free visa to EU after June 2017.
Now to succeed with 8's and above you need serious cash flow at least 500 euro per day, Russian speaking skills, persistence and lots of experience with day game, night game. There are only two clubs which are good and the competition for the good looking girls is fierce.
But if one is compromised with 6's,7's there is no problem.
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05-19-19 06:33 #19520
Posts: 1Visting Kiev.
Hello other Forum members,
I am new here.
Visiting next weekend Kiev.
What are at the Moment the places to Be in Kiev?
Top 5 Hotspots for Bar and discos.
What are good places to be at Friday / Saturday / Sunday: afternoon / Night.
Any other recommendations for visiting Kiev.
Greeting from Amsterdam.
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05-19-19 00:01 #19519
Posts: 2777Originally Posted by MagicSheep74 [View Original Post]
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05-18-19 20:45 #19518
Posts: 2777Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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05-18-19 13:51 #19517
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
Similarly, lots of good reasons for overpaying a working girl. Maybe I'm not attractive enough to have experienced "you don't pay for sex, you pay them to go away afterwards" but I definitely understood the concepts of paying for a option on someone's time, paying to block potential competitors, paying extra so as to be first in line, etc. Those are more or less the reasons I pay my jewel list price of 4000 uah for 4 hours, with no regular customer discount, and additionally gave $1500 bonus at our last session of last summer. I want to make myself a valuable customer, so that she arranges her schedule so accommodate mine and otherwise tries to retain my business.
Same reason I've arranged to pay my regular landlady her going airbnb rate of $26/ day, in cash and without asking for long term discount for 3 month stay. That relationship is also long term and I want to be seen as a valued client, rather than a penny pinching haggler who'd she rather not see again.
Shoe argument above is bad analogy because shoes are commodity products rather than one-of-a-kind services. Better analogy would be paying extra to get priority SERVICE from a custom shoemaker, for someone in a rush and who can afford the extra cost and who only wants shoes from that particular shoemaker for whatever reason.
I'm just catching up on the forum, since I've been away for a while. Where AntonySun1996 might be going wrong is trying to buy feelings, which are not really for sale, especially not love. What you can buy is behavior. For example, I expect my jewel to treat me with respect and to be compliant in bed: behaviors in both cases. I also expect her to feel physical pleasure from the sex. That is a type of feeling, and thus not for sale, but rather I have to earn it. (Incidentally, I can tell she is feeling pleasure, or at least arousal, because of her smell, which I don't notice while we are in progress. After she leaves for the shower, I open the doors to the balcony and step out to look around. When I return to the room, Wow!, young woman in heat smell is overpowering. Noises can be faked, but not smell, I don't think.).
My jewel and I do have an emotional connection, simply because of the time we've spent together, but whether it's love or hate she feels I don't much care. Probably neither. Boredom possible, maybe mixed with a little fear. Maybe she finds me slightly repulsive sexually. Maybe secretly despises me for being so desperate that I have to pay women for sex. It doesn't matter what's in her head. What matters is that her external behavior is respectful and she feels physical pleasure. I notice she closes her eyes during sex, so maybe she is thinking of another man. Fine with me.
If Antony has a similar attitude to that girl of his, fine, regardless of how much he pays (note that $60000/ year is small compared to what Jeff Bezos paid his ex-wife, similarly for other divorced men). But if he's paying to make the girl love him, he's in the wrong track. Marriage to that girl would be a big mistake, IMO.
Also, I discussed this before I regards to Antony, back when I ranted about him paying big lump sums in advance (it later was revealed that he promised in advance but paid at the end). Big spenders do NOT ruin the market. More big spenders means more girls chasing those big spenders. Gossiping by girls about big spenders is good. DramaFree11 asserts that all the better girls in Kyiv have fled to Moscow. If so, then more guys like AntonySun1996 in will bring then back. More demand (by big spender mongers) creates more supply (of working girls). Most of that supply will NOT find a rich sugar daddy, since men as rich as AntonySun1996 are uncommon. Disappointed girls will then either abandon dreams of easy money entirely (unlikely) or accept realistic rates, which still provide reasonably easy money by Kyiv standards.
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05-18-19 12:33 #19516
Posts: 239Originally Posted by Gargano19 [View Original Post]
The culture of Ukraine is damaged one, customer satisfaction doesn't exist.
Language barrier is incredibly difficult, nightlife is very poor.
Mamba is hit and miss.
Tinder is full of scams.
You could py $300 for a takeout fro strip club, approximately #300 for 2 or 3 hours.
Myself and Dramafree have both been, and this is the reality, much better alternative.
People will continually say its amazing and they are banging models, but disregard this info as they don't provide t links to the girls or the places.
They can be find. Its a lie.
You'll find more accurate information in the North Korea thread, Ukraine ID Dead.
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05-18-19 07:21 #19515
Posts: 2777Originally Posted by Gargano19 [View Original Post]
A. I got tired of watching friends getting screwed over.
2. Zero Night Life.
3. Way too many low end Sex Tourists pretending to be Italian Dudes.
4. Top Tier and Educated leaving the country.
A. Never talked about by the so called experts on this site, amazing. Major problem.
5. Strip Clubs and Top end Agencies major rip off to bang 6's or even lower, for $150 an hour or more, no way.
6. Why would anyone fly around the world to bang 5/6 for more money, then they would pay in there native country, makes zero sense.
Good Things.
1. City is Cheap.
2. Most People very nice, the further you get away from the center even better.
3. Food is above average.
4. Safe.
5. Opera / Theater is amazing.
6. Many things to do during the day, city empties a night.
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05-18-19 05:58 #19514
Posts: 624Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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05-17-19 16:48 #19513
Posts: 706Barba.
Whatever happened to Barba? He was always generous sharing his Kiev contacts.
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05-17-19 03:03 #19512
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05-16-19 17:47 #19511
Posts: 2777Originally Posted by Boofer [View Original Post]
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05-16-19 16:20 #19510
Posts: 332How to arrange the ladies
Did you meet them via mamba? Stripclubs? Please help, have a trip lined up and only 48 hours to play!!
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]
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05-16-19 16:01 #19509
Posts: 19Originally Posted by Arkiloko [View Original Post]
I went to Romania and Bulgaria and it was hard to find and not a great place for mongering.
If you want Romania and Bulgarian girls, go to Athens. You can go to the 20 euro street and find them easily there. I even found the deal of my life at one of the apartments where it was 20 euros for one really cute Romanian girl, or 20 euros for her slightly less hot friend. When I asked them difference, the hot one said, with me, it's covered BJ and normal sex. With her, you can do anything you want.
I chose the less hot one got an uncovered BJ, standard sex then did anal, all for 20 euros. This is Romanian girls in Athens. Never happened in Romania. The only problem with Athens is it's quickly Tijuana style. You're in there 15 minute max. No showers. Nothing. In and out.
Kiev, and Ukraine in general I like because you get 1 hour, there are both massage HJ places and sex, and prices start at 450 uah ($17) for HJ massages and sex is usually 1,000 uah ($37) on average for 1 hour.
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05-16-19 08:00 #19508
Posts: 823Originally Posted by ChronoTrigger [View Original Post]
If agency filters based on looks, then it might mean the following:
1. Do not let in homeless bums and drunk soccer fans, so that the girls are not harassed.
2. Expect more money from better dressed mongers.
I prefer good clean jeans and Ralph Loren T-shirt or something equally simple and relatively classy. Running / hiking shoes for my convenience.
I respect the ladies life style, but this is not like I am having a date at the Theater.
More to the point. Why bother going there at all? Have them deliver to you. Had model level girl last night for 1700 UAH an hour, passionate and strong. Then another cutie early this morning, not a model, but very conscientious 19 years old student.
Mamba is a good resource, but didn't get a chance, because my regulars learnt I am in Kiev, and bandwidth is already oversubscribed.