Kyiv

[Jonathan Pine]

Please don't be discouraged by negative comments. There are some of us that love your reports on sponsoring girls, dating normal girls as opposed to Rio which has been talked about ad nauseum.

I've enjoyed your writing.

[GDreams]

Hi, reading here and there, I think it's crazy expensive 300 dollars to take a girl home.

Ok it's not a night long, but here in Italy you can spend less for a hq escort.

What about apartments? How's the service and prizes?

And how can you find them?

Try google for apartments. I used to use uaapartments or kievrent. Always get a central apartment close to kreshatik, that way don't need to take taxis and easy for girls to come to you.

[Arkiloko]

Hi, reading here and there, I think it's crazy expensive 300 dollars to take a girl home.

Ok it's not a night long, but here in Italy you can spend less for a hq escort.

What about apartments? How's the service and prizes?

And how can you find them?

[Gopnik]

Can girls in Donetsk and Luhansk also get Ukrainian passports to travel to Europe without visa?

Absolutely not. If they have a 2014 or earlier passport (non-biometric) they would need to apply for a visa. In doing so, they'd have to provide an address amongst other details and would certainly be denied if they were living in the rebel occupied territory.

[Horny Monger]

First, a big shoutout to Vitera for all his help and posts. After two days with an excellent guide, Andreii, who introduced me to amazing private apartments, I have found the Kiev experience to be underwhelming. I had read about the beauty of Ukrainian women but they are nowhere as beautiful as their Russian counterparts or Brazilian women in So Paulo or the south of Brazil. The women in Kiev have a lot of tude, one informed me today "I have a biometric passport and can travel all over Europe". It has been an interesting trip sightseeing and going to different clubs but anyone coming just for mongering is better served by looking at alternative options. Caveat Emptor applies in a big way here. I had three wonderful encounters but they did not come at a discounted price as some expect or have written in previous reports.

Happy hunting.

That's right. Ukrainian beauty is overly exaggerated on this thread!

[Gopnik]

Kyiv is amazing in spring. The streets are flooded with beauties now. Having dinner with some friends last night when I saw two girls working on Prospekt Peremohy near the Shuliavska Metro station, very near iL Molino. One was OK and the other was surprisingly attractive. At first, I thought maybe they were hitchhiking but after observing them for some time from the café, it was apparent they were working girls. That area, especially if one can speak a little Russian, is a great place to meet university girls as KPI is very near. I've met a few in that area in the past, especially in the park around the university. Great place to take a girl for a walk, too. This isn't an area tourists ever go to but locals know about it.

I got a lot of negative PM's from members about my last post not wanting to hear about sponsoring girls but about strip clubs and the quality of girls at Rio and if Rio is any good etc. As I never go to strip clubs, for a variety of reasons, I have no opinion to share so I will stop posting about sponsorship and how I meet these girls and just about things I see in around the city of interest to our hobby or any girls who are online and obviously trouble.

[Jonathan Pine]

Can girls in Donetsk and Luhansk also get Ukrainian passports to travel to Europe without visa?

[AlpBora]

Hello all,

This morning I was sending messages to chicks and suddenly I took this message ' your IP Address have been blocked ' now I can't enter my mamba account even though I have VIP membership.

So what can I do for this problem?

Could you help me please? I need your recommends.

Happy hunting.

[John Corey]

First, a big shoutout to Vitera for all his help and posts. After two days with an excellent guide, Andreii, who introduced me to amazing private apartments, I have found the Kiev experience to be underwhelming. I had read about the beauty of Ukrainian women but they are nowhere as beautiful as their Russian counterparts or Brazilian women in So Paulo or the south of Brazil. The women in Kiev have a lot of tude, one informed me today "I have a biometric passport and can travel all over Europe". It has been an interesting trip sightseeing and going to different clubs but anyone coming just for mongering is better served by looking at alternative options. Caveat Emptor applies in a big way here. I had three wonderful encounters but they did not come at a discounted price as some expect or have written in previous reports.

Happy hunting.

[Harry Hardman]

I SECOND YOUR VIEWS of Kiev from early last year till now. I agree completely from experience. Nothing has changed.

If anything, it's gotten more difficult and more expensive.

Couldn't put in any better myself: "There is very little happening. For purely mongering it is hard work with little reward. ".

Great advise: "If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else. ".

Hello all,

First-timer to this forum, or actually I did read some threads here without signing up during my visit to South-east Asia, but didn't put any of it into action.

Did a trip to Riga earlier this year, and forgot to check this forum. Got tricked by a online ad, the woman changed her photos and I saw it was the same woman so I stupidly believed that it was safe. It was her in the photos all right, but old photos. My guess 7-8 years ago, but I was too new in this game to send her away. Sex wasn't good either, but luckily I can look back at it now and laugh about it as a weird experience.

Kiev up next! First time in Kiev so I will do a lot of tourist activities, but I do want to spice it up with some more action too.

Can't say I have read the whole thread, but enough to get several people's opinions about Rio, Gia and more. Have gotten Andrei's number.

Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.

If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else.

Interesting city though, with lots to see.

[Tomek123]

Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.

My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.

I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls..

Absolutely agree with you friend. I never show superiority because I'm from Europe. You need to be simple cheerful and positive. And money is just a small pleasant surprise. A girl in Ukraine should not feel like a prostitute and a sperm swallower. I also often do not discuss intimate details before the meeting. A few days ago I finished in the mouth of beautiful Oksana 21 year old with long legs and white beautiful skin. It happened spontaneously. I asked her to suck my cock a bit during a hard fuck in different positions. But then my excitement was great and I did not I was able to contain my cum. While I was holding her by the hair. It was damn nice. But But I did not write her boring phrases about what she should do and for what kind of money, we generally met on Kharkov street. Like some guys from Europe who write -you should swallow my sperm, or other. The girl is ready to suck their dick and even swallow cum but then she thinks - "hell Come on, this American does not respect me. I will not sleep with him. , and often so.

Thanks for the great post amigo. I hope someday we will drink beer together in Kiev or Kharkov) God bless USA!

[LuisVega11]

Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.

My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.

I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls..

Forget online game. Is a scam, low quality. Built a good style, dress well, understand their mentality more than spending money. Sure if you have 4 days go to rio or gia, no waste time.

I have a friend from Ukraine. He has literally zero gryvna, but he is super guy, funny I like his company. It's like my son, I pay all for him because I feel like doing this, not a lot just some money here and there. But what he teach me everyday is more important that this little sum.

He literally a master in stopping girl, and most of all stop girl in really strong way. I always told him that if h behaves like that in Europe everybody would kill him. But I am fascinated by his manner. They look offensive, but at the end girl, clearly not gold digger style, respect and like him. Overtime I arrive in Kiev, first week aim kind of shy or some girl told me, then after some day mongering with him I become behaving like Ukraine. Strong approach, direct, touching end after a bit.

My suggest find a good Ukraine mate, good looking, maybe help him financially, I'm talking of 100 200 gryvan day and learn how to behave with Ukraine girl. I want add that this guy never asked me anything, it's me who considering he not have money find good to help him, as I said is kind of father son relation.

[LuisVega11]

I would take it a step further there are no 7, 8, 9 or 10. They are just not available to tourist anymore. You need a lot of local knowledge, to meet attractive girls, even then it is extremely difficult.

I disagree but you need a lot of skill, a solid day game and time. And most of all credibility, do something that give you accreditation to their eyes.

I went last time 2 weeks, fuck not a lot but make solid contact with high quality student and girl with good family mostly. Next time I will pick the fruit of the work but you need time, go back often.

I think 7 and 8 can be had also paying but is not that easy.

By the way I once has been presented to that guide. He showed me some photos of girls available. I saw a bunch of 6 7 maximum. The problem is that without photo you can have a solid 9 for you, even considering that a 6 7 in Kiev well dressed with high heels can be easily a 9 in USA. Anyway important is having fun.

But I said this because those kind of post will only inflate market.

I have a superb friend I would consider her 10 attitude but 5 6 maximum, mostly for he got a bit fat due to lifestyle, but attitude is superb. She'is really a girl who love me and I like her. We had such relation that if he's busy at Hyatt with rich man, and I sent a message to her just to say I'm in Kiev, she leave him and come to meet just to hug and say Hello,. Well, that said, this girl last month earned more than 5000 dollar. With high end tourist let her sleep in Hyatt and paying her 500 dollar night.

[Member #4722]

Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.

My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.

I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls.

Also one very important thing for me in my mongering hunts is to not let the girls try and take advantage of me. I let them know right off the bat that I'm not rich and just a normal guy that's into traveling. It's the truth, I have to save up for a long time to afford to travel the way I do (I have a decent budget for this trip so if my plans fall through I can meet with a GIA or RIO girl at a higher rate once or twice). I rarely get these requests to help financially, I have one girl I have been friends with for four years that I met on my first visit. I bring her a few small gifts that she asks for. But in a recent Whatsapp exchange she asked me for a $300 T-shirt when I visit. I shot that shit down real quick!

Also wanted to mention that, yes, working Mamba like this takes some time. But anything good in life takes some work. It's not TOO hard of work to look through profiles of hot Ukranians and think which of these girls I might fuck soon. I think that if you put in the time in advance that you will have the most success in Kiev. I had a friend take some pictures of me all around town last week so I have some good current profile pics. Also I plan on using Tinder on this trip my buddy scored off it with zero effort last trip (she wasn't good looking but she bought HIM drinks all day and fucked him silly).

Also when I meet with a lady I always treat it like a real date. Try to impress even if you are paying for her time. I always treat the ladies with respect (without being a pushover) and in all my worldwide travels I rarely have to worry about a blowjob with condom or lack of DFK. It's definitely not what I'm looking for but have had BBFS on more than one occasion when it happens in the heat of the moment. I would never recommend this and always got tested soon afterwards, but it feels so fucking good and it really pays to treat the ladies well and like a real human being (not a hooker).

[NorthK]

OK, thanks. I will not get my expectations up too much in regards of the women.

Hello all,

Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.

If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else.

Interesting city though, with lots to see.