Kyiv

[Tomek123]

Jonathan Pine,

Yes. But how can you prove it? You'll tell her-dear, I know that yesterday you sucked a member of a 45-year-old guy with a Lexus. You can not blame the girl without solid proofs. Also the girl can tell the sponsor that she has a permanent BF for relationships. To avoid ridiculous situations and phone calls. You underestimate the insidiousness and wit of women. My friend. Besides, today you have a regular guy. And tomorrow you quarrelled and parted. An ordinary situation for Ukraine or Russia. And you are a little lonely and free for a while. Looking for a new guy can last a month, maybe half a year. If you are demanding. And find a good guy in Ukraine is not very easy. The competition between the girls is high, because the guys are few Girls are more than boys. In Ukraine. And in Russia. Ukraine and Russia are women's countries. It's not China where men fight for every girl and pussy is valued.

A man in Europe and the United States is not appreciated.

Why? Because around you there are millions of guys and most of them have a job and a salary. So a beautiful girl in the US or Europe refers to a man as a piece of shit. In Ukraine and Russia there is no such concept popular in the United States as the word,loser, if you have not died at 37 years old from vodka or drugs in Ukraine then you are already a successful successful person. You have already achieved success because you are alive and do not lie under the gravestone in the cemetery.

While the guys in Ukraine love to change their girls and fuck other girls. Society refers to this as normal. If you are a man, then you can sometimes fuck another girl. I knew the story when a guy fucked his bride's sister and then fucked her best friend and wanted to fuck her several other girlfriends too.

Maybe in the US it would be the reason for the divorce. But she continues to live with this guy. If she throws this guy, then who will she find in his place? She will find about the same guy. So why then change the blue dog to a green crocodile? If the result is the same. Maybe she will find a guy who will not fuck all the women around. Yeah. But he will have other drawbacks. For example, drinking. Or a tendency to violence. Or to gambling. Better to live with a fucker than with a loodoman or boxer on Kitchen or narkoman.

And now you broke up with your boyfriend. Who did not have money. And who often drank beer for your money. This is often in Ukraine. It's a country of gigolos and parasites. So why do not you suck a few American or Turkish dicks until Do you have free time? I recently had a relationship with a girl in Kharkov. She was not ready to have sex with me. But I liked her beauty and the age of 18 years. I really wanted to fuck her and several times masturbating remembering her. She has a fantastic ass. And cool breasts. Its only drawback is a rude little male voice and a birthmark on her cheek. Then I offered her just oral sex and nothing more. No penetration into her pussy or anal.

She refused. But then she told me she was ready to give me oral sex but only in condom. I gave her 500 hryvnia. She earned about 20 bucks in about 15 minutes. She works in a supermarket. This is a small salary. About 4000 hryvnia per month. She came to my apartment. We drank coffee and talked a bit. Then I went to the shower and went naked. I rubbed her breast a little.

She massaged and masturbated my dick / Then she put on a condom and started sucking. I massaged her tits at this time. In 15 or 20 minutes I finished. She received 15% of her monthly salary for 20 minutes of work with her mouth! She could at home alone dressing a condom on a banana or cucumber and sucking it 20 minutes for fun. She did the same thing only instead of a cucumber or a banana it was my cock and she got for it 20 bucks!!

Twice she sucked my cock in the condom and twice she masturbated my cock until the end. One time I finished her on the chest.

20 minutes to suck latex condom without contact with male sperm. Just latex. All clean and sterile. And a little masturbate a man's hand. Get for it 500 hryvnia and go to a cafe with his boyfriend. Is it bad. It's absolutely easy money. This is not anal sex. It's fast and sterile. She's a good girl. But if she lives in such a poor country how can we blame her? How you can work and live for such scanty money. It's a meager salary for a person. We can not blame her and insult her. If a Swedish or Norwegian girl does so, then this is a completely different situation. Norvegia is a rich country. But how can we blame this poor girl / For her boyfriend 500 hryvnia is a lot of money. But for me it's not a lot of money. Why can not I help her? I'm cultured and polite.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi gentlemen,

This is my first detailed report in this forum.

Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.

I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste. So generally speaking she was an absolutely valid 10 to my eyes.

She is a university student in Kiev and speak only little English and I speak a little Russian, so with the help of google translate we could communicate quite well. She had a quite nice personality and smiled a lot. She was also quite educated and we even talked about poetry. I invited her to dinner and than came back to hotel. She stayed whole night for, I don't remember precisely, no more than 8000 grivnas. We fucked really hard. By the way, I'm young and not very experienced in sex, but she knew quite well how to guide me. An absolutely unforgettable night. For the remaining night in Kiev of that visit, she, of course, became my only choice.

During my second trip to Kiev in May, I bought a nice laptop to Zhanna as a gift which costed me about 3000 dollars. She was really happy and asked if I want to be her sponsor. I really liked her so we talked about sponsorship and made a deal of 30000 grivnas per month.

I also tried clubs just out of curiosity, because I've never been to any clubs before. Went to Rio which I knew from this site. Nothing interesting worth reporting. Watched strip dances, bribed a manager, chose a girl available to take out, 300 usd 3 hours, and that's all. That night I was tired and drunk and not really in the mood. And the girl looked not really hot once her walked out of the club. So after about half an hour I let her go.

Also tried some apartments mentioned by other members in this forum before as well as new ones that I found with the help of taxi drivers. In some places they have girls raged from 6 to 8 but in others the girls looked ugly or fat and just unfuckable. So it to a large extent depends on your luck. Prices were about 1000 to 2000 grv depending on the quality of the girl. Also when I walked on K street near Arena some guy approached and gave a card to me inviting me to his "salon", but I didn't try this.

So what I'm planning to do next is to visit Zhanna in Kiev more frequently and also invite her to my country. She is such a nice girl, I think I already fell in love with her.

So my advise would be as follows:

1. Pick a number on an escort website (but don't believe the photos, mostly fake).

2. Contact the agency behind the number.

3. Ask for real photos of their girls and choose one you like (if none of them is to your taste, move on and try again, you will find one).

4. Meet the girl.

5. If you really like the girl, hold her tight. You may like to consider sponsoring her if you are a frequent visitor to Ukraine, otherwise you may just try to get her personal contact and arrange another meeting when you visit Ukraine next time.

Please notice that the truly hot girls on the website ads under control of agencies are very little, but still exist. Don't get upset if you don't success in your first few times. All you need to do is to try more (and also a little good luck).

My humble opinions.

If you have any questions please ask.

Also many thanks and respect to fellow forum members who contribute to the forum and have helped me a lot.

Lastly I would like to apologise again for my limited English skills as English is not my native language. Hope you could understand me.

Good luck to you all!

Anthony.

[Jonathan Pine]

Tomek,

I've been reading your reports with great interests because as you said you speak the local language and understand local mentality.

From your reports I'm under the impression that many girls, or most of the girls in Ukraine have local boyfriends, have sex with some random guys on the side, while have some older local or foreign sponsors all the the same time.

I have two questions and I'd be very interested to know your thoughts. First, are the girls in Ukraine really this classy (I'm being sarcastic here)? Because basically from what you're saying is that most of them are practically [Deleted by Admin].

Secondly, if this is true, how do local guys feel about this? After all local guys are the ones that marry these girls and have families with them.

[Tomek123]

Good advice thanks. Whoa all the 10's are in Dubai. Damn so its over. Poltava and Kharkiv and Livi?

All the 10's are in Dubai-It's a bit weird. It means that all beautiful Ukrainian girls are elite prostitutes (You can call such a nation where all the most beautiful women work in the sex industry? It's just fantastic. I suggest just making an experiment-to arrive in Kharkov in the afternoon to the city center where there are many universities and students and offices, and use a camera or smartphone. You just need to stand in the city center for several hours and shoot all the people on the video. You will see a large number of very different girls-6's-7's-9-10's. Etc. This is not a very complicated experiment.

What they do in Kharkov in the daytime? They should suck Arab dicks? Yes or not?

Also you can become with the camera near the entrance to a large university near the park Shevchenko. The high famous building.

[LuisVega11]

All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.

Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.

In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.

It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.

Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?

I complete agree with you. Going in Kiev and deal with mamba back page is a total waste of time and rip off.

Just walk and do your work.

Be strong and decisive. Last time I met a nice girl, super body, face good. After 5 minutes I said you want sponsor- it's important you put emphasis on this kind of paid relation and not treat them like cheap prostitutes_ she agreed to 1000 gr meeting 2 hours 3 hours.

I was not really on her so I didn't call her. But I do another one and she agreed for 40 dollar meet. She always go in Buddha bar asking much more per night but she said like me want kind of relation bla bla. Clearly not all girl end up with relation, but just a fuck and bye bye.

Kiev is super good for meeting nice normal girl, go out, deal friendship and maybe bang for free.

[BobSmith1]

All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.

Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.

In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.

It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.

Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?

Good advice thanks. Whoa all the 10's are in Dubai. Damn so its over. Poltava and Kharkiv and Livi?

[Tomek123]

Guys,

I'm an old veteran of the Ukrainian sex front and I want you all to be a bit easier. You do not need to be too pretentious or complicated. I just need to be trivial. We just need to be active and approach these girls and communicate with them. This is all that is needed. You do not need complicated solutions and brilliant flirting. You do not need to be a Casanova. This does not mean that we should behave with Ukrainians chicks as Arabs or the guys from Turkey. No. You do not need.

I have known a girl in Kharkov for a long time. She is pretty nice, not a miss universe, she has a little short legs but her face is beautiful as well as her ability to work tonque around the penis.

She lived 3 years in the hostel for students and knows a lot of funny and very spicy stories. This is a story about the relationship of Ukrainian female students with guys from Arab countries and Turkey. And also even with blacks. So I know quite well about the,inaccessibility, of Ukrainian beauties. Next to her room lived two girlfriends girls. One is pretty. The other is also not bad. They were from another city and studied in Kharkiv.

In this hostel lived a lot of guys from Arab countries and also guys from Ukraine. This girl loved to dress sexy. She had a beautiful ass and she often wore short shorts. In the hostel common to all the kitchen. My friend Elena as it said to her, so that the Arabs do not finish (cum) looking at you, Inna)). Or that these guys did not [CodeWord123] you. Also several Ukrainian guys wanted to have a relationship with her. There is nothing strange about the fact that the Arab guys very soon noticed her and began to pay attention to her. She understood her power and a little teased them. They made her compliments in the kitchen and admired her beautiful body. She was flirting with them. Once Elena saw in the corridor how one of these guys took this Inna by the hand and tries to invite her to visit her on some Arab holiday. He was a little drunk and a bit sexually aroused. Next to this hostel was a large disco for students. Once Elena saw how this Arab invited Inna to dance and began to iron her. Then these Arabs invited Inna and her roommate to a restaurant. Elena tells them with a sense of humor. You understand that soon they will demand that you sleep with them. Sometimes these girlfriends made parties in their room and invited other students to a glass of wine. This Inna had an affair with one Ukrainian guy who lived in this hostel and this guy once started fighting the Arab. But she was from that breed of women who like to tease many men. But she kept these guys from Jordan or Syria in the distance to play with them. Then like these two Arabs came to these girls (who invited them to a restaurant).

Probably they wanted a little more than just a conversation. Lena came to them in the room to give an electric kettle or something and witnessed an emotional scene-On the table stood an expensive wine-One of these guys was sitting on the bed near Inna and tried to put her hand on her thigh and the other Arab was already beginning to stroke her friend's breasts. Inna's girlfriend tried to take his hand away but in vain. Inna saw Elena and told the Arabs that they were leaving. We need to sleep. Elena left the room and, near the door of her room, heard that these guys did not want to leave. Their voices were rude and insistent. Then it became quiet and lena thought that the Arabs had left. After an hour or two she went out of her room to the toilet or shower. She passed the door of the room of these girls-Inna and another girl. She heard that playing music but apart from the music she heard something else)) The beds in the hostel are old and so they creak loudly. She heard the sounds of male orgasm. Also loud groans of Inna and the voice of her friend who was also close to orgasm. And also spanking on the pope. Or some of these guys have already finished, but someone fucked hard. She also learned the voices of these Arab guys. A few days Elena forgot to knock on the room to Inna and went in. She saw how Inna kisses with an Arab and his cock sticks out. Then she often heard how the sounds of hard sex were heard in the room of the Inna and loud moaning Inna during sex.

Once she had drunk wine with her girlfriend. And Lena asked her-how could these Arabs seduce you? Because you probably had an affair with them? Confess. How are they in bed? Good lovers or not? This girl confessed that they wanted to drive out the Arabs, but one of them hit Inna (. But not much. She said that she herself was already wet between her legs. She heard that Inna cried. The Arabs turned off the light and stroked them. She said that 10 minutes later she saw how Inna sucks a dick of this guy on the bed. I told her-Inna, I was so scared. I thought that Arab would kill you. Then Inna confessed to her the next day that she had finished during sex in that night. Then Lena saw expensive boots in Inna's shoes. Inna admitted that she and her friend found a sweet sponsor of the pope. She said that this guy lives in Israel but has a business in Kharkov. Sometimes he fucks them but basically licking them pussy. She told -Lena-imagine, we lie together with Jana 2 hours on the bed. He licks and licks our pussy. I have already finished two times. Yana ends. I'm thinking about where we'll go to dinner and about shopping. And he's all Licks and licks. Well let him lick. Just easy money. But sometimes he is under cocaine.

This is the story that she told me. She characterizes a little the character and mentality of Slavic women and features of the Arabian flirtation haha.

[Stavvrrooss]

I finally got backpage working by proxy. I see a lot of beautiful girls OMG! All 10+ models. Are you going to meet the girls look like those photos Are they real or only half of them are real? These are all 10+ in San Francisco bay area standard. If I can tap on those ass, I'll be super man.

All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.

Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.

In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.

It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.

Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?

[Poker Player 2]

Certainly, this development is positive for inviting girls to visit you in your home country but I am not sure how it can be good for price and availability of girls in Kiev.

Open visa is very good in some way.

1- those who have already gone are a lot of girl who wanted a lot of money and already were impossible to bang.

2- visa free open chance to normal girl to travel behind invitation.

3- 2 weeks in Europe cost them 1400 euro. Practically 1% of girl can have this sum working or by family. Now you can meet the girl in Kiev and even if you not bang them you can invite just paying flight. (I read somewhere they need to show money for the period of stay abroad and hotel reservation anyway, so it must be understood how this will impact invitation. If I invite a girl 2 weeks, I pay flight, but if she not have money, she need to show for europe at least 500 600 euro, near 50 euro day of holiday, so at this point was better old visa method for them also.

4- in case they need only flight many will come without problem if they get you in Kiev, and once at your place they bang like crazy, more than in Kiev for sure.

5- once visa scheme was mostly a rip off from usr girls or agency who asked a lot of money to do visa and buy ticket and at the end didn't even come to Europe. Now they can't steal any money. Biometric passport cost 40 50 euro. That's it.

6- Schengen will de fact change the flux of tourism to turkey to europe. Most girl travel to turkey and deal with turkish cause turkish men could invite them to sea easily. Now that in europe is the same, most of girl will be more interested to european who goes Kiev.

Personally I already have three girl, one a model very beautiful, line up to come summer. But I want understand everything before invite. If they can only come with flight ticket, I will cut my cost and reduce staying in Kiev by half.

Most girl will dream to spend lot off money on holiday when they come, thinking a lot of gift also. I don't care. When they arrive I will cook at home, sometimes dinner, beach all day, and one gift only, and from first night bang them like hell, if they not bang I open the door and kick them in the road. I'm sure they decide to fuck.

I repeat be strong with these girl. Ukrainian man who pay for holiday fuck the hell out of them. If they come to your place and act like princess put them in the road with their suitcase and tell them pay hotel. They will be back in room in 12 nanoseconds.

[DramaFree11]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348

For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.

Let us hope I'm wrong.

Sorry, Kiev has been dead for a couple of years now. It is very easy to get Visa's, my friend provides Visa's for girls and has 95% approval rate, to the States and Europe. (Multi Entry) Mostly all fake financial information, they just pay someone to do the face financial statements.

[LuisVega11]

Open visa is very good in some way.

1- those who have already gone are a lot of girl who wanted a lot of money and already were impossible to bang.

2- visa free open chance to normal girl to travel behind invitation.

3- 2 weeks in Europe cost them 1400 euro. Practically 1% of girl can have this sum working or by family. Now you can meet the girl in Kiev and even if you not bang them you can invite just paying flight. (I read somewhere they need to show money for the period of stay abroad and hotel reservation anyway, so it must be understood how this will impact invitation. If I invite a girl 2 weeks, I pay flight, but if she not have money, she need to show for europe at least 500 600 euro, near 50 euro day of holiday, so at this point was better old visa method for them also.

4- in case they need only flight many will come without problem if they get you in Kiev, and once at your place they bang like crazy, more than in Kiev for sure.

5- once visa scheme was mostly a rip off from usr girls or agency who asked a lot of money to do visa and buy ticket and at the end didn't even come to Europe. Now they can't steal any money. Biometric passport cost 40 50 euro. That's it.

6- Schengen will de fact change the flux of tourism to turkey to europe. Most girl travel to turkey and deal with turkish cause turkish men could invite them to sea easily. Now that in europe is the same, most of girl will be more interested to european who goes Kiev.

Personally I already have three girl, one a model very beautiful, line up to come summer. But I want understand everything before invite. If they can only come with flight ticket, I will cut my cost and reduce staying in Kiev by half.

Most girl will dream to spend lot off money on holiday when they come, thinking a lot of gift also. I don't care. When they arrive I will cook at home, sometimes dinner, beach all day, and one gift only, and from first night bang them like hell, if they not bang I open the door and kick them in the road. I'm sure they decide to fuck.

I repeat be strong with these girl. Ukrainian man who pay for holiday fuck the hell out of them. If they come to your place and act like princess put them in the road with their suitcase and tell them pay hotel. They will be back in room in 12 nanoseconds.

[Normal Guy 2]

I will be visiting the Caribbean again this year and was wondering what it was like now-a-days. Posts that I read seem to say that it is slow. Slow, but still possible -- or gone?

I was used to 2000 UAH plus a small extra for Security to let the girl leave. Is that still the case?

What are the going rates? Recommendations always welcome.

My favorite was Annaitchka.

Norm.

[DramaFree11]

To be honest, it's not a great idea. Kiev itself is a wonderful city, and the nightlife is pretty damn good but the monger scene is not suitable for first time visitors unless you have spent time and energy cultivating contacts on the ground. You'll be able to get by without Russian, but it will limit your ability to communicate when contacting service providers.

My advice would be fish where the fish are, and the fish aren't in Kiev (at least not without the right level of groundwork).

Good post, Kiev is a great place to visit, but I have to respectfully disagree the nightlife is pretty bad with the exception of Friday night. The rest of the week is not very good, even Saturday night is hit or miss. I would not go to Kiev for the girls or the nightlife. If you do not have local knowledge you will probably be disappointed. Money will help a little, but not much.

[Poker Player 2]

I raised this issue some time ago and was advised by some senior members that visa free travel by Ukraine Citizens will make no difference to our hobby as those who want to go, have already gone. No matter how much I wish this to be true, my mind tells me otherwise. At the very least, I think it will affect the price and may well affect availability as well. According to the piece below, they expect an increase of 30% for Ukraine citizens armed with bio metric passports, going abroad. Certainly, they have will have no work visa but when did that stop working girls? They pay no tax anyway and what they do is not legal in all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXw3Vf8n10

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348

For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.

Let us hope I'm wrong.

[BobSmith1]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348

For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.

Let us hope I'm wrong.

For the Ukrainians who have the money to travel and the desire to travel to EU, they would have done it even no visa-free. No all women have the desire to travel to EU to sell their bodies while they can wait for guys like us to go there to buy their bodies in their homeland. Its safer for them. But ya some may go and slowly their economy will pick up and they won't be as desperate. Altho I know Ukrainians are not that desperate anyways to begin with. Kiev maybe done but we can try 2nd and 3rd tier cities. I live in San Francisco but I usually travel to poor cities like Sacramento, Vallejo, Stockton etc for girls.