Kyiv

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Is it worthy to go to Kyiv? Are the best times over? Questions and answers continue coming in. IMO every opportunity in every country is a gamble, yet with different chances. What factors affect our chances for better outcome? Length of stay, being prepared in a meaningful way, speaking local language. BTW, every girl speaks Russian, and now younger ones increasingly use Ukrainian, which is fun to learn. To some degree money helps.

What is the magic formula to measure perceived happiness per unit of funds invested in entertainment? It is somewhat subjective, yet your own attitude determines quite a bit. If one visibly suspects a cheater in every beauty walking into his life, and allows this to come across in a rather obvious way, then it's difficult to expect the above mentioned "Oscar-level GFE performance" in return. I am far from the thought of idolizing, and rules of engagement must be established rather firm from the very beginning. At the same time, sincerely enjoying the company of new acquaintance goes a long way in unfolding the true potential.

It is still possible to like this City a lot, it keeps changing, evolving, just like most of us do.

[LuisVega11]

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[John]

This was my second trip to Kiev. In short will I return. Definitely yes. Trip started Oct 9 and ends tomorrow October 14. I have done about 4 really nice looking girls this trip. Rest of them were average. It takes time to navigate Kiev. In Short if you staying or walking on Karshchatek street look out for agents. Don't settle on one agent. Look for different agents who will introduce you to different apartments. Normal cost is 2000 hrivna which is about $75 approx for nicer looking girls. Mamba girls mostly will ask $130 for one hours but I offered $100 to $130 for 2 hrs and those who accepted I saw them. There were girls on Mamba asking $300 and up but I did not partake. That is mostly guys who feel that there is better quality of girls for higher price. I beg to defer.

Rest if some one says that Kiev is not worth coming over IMHO they can stay away. I am definitely coming back. As per sharing numbers best thing I can do for you guys is share numbers of the agents as most girls will not give me their personal numbers and those who do I rather not forward as there is no need.

From 2000 + 100 taxi. Girls will only receive 600 to 700 hrivnas. Rest 400 to 500 hrivna goes to agent. And balance in my opinion is shared between owner of the house and public officials. I wish this country prostitution will become legal. If that was to happen we can see significant increase of working girls in mamba and social media.

Regards,

John.

[Rugan]

This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.

I'm not going to go into details about how I managed it. I've already shared more than perhaps I should in such a public forum. But I learned a lot from the posts here and felt it right to share back. I do hope the people reading this don't make a mess you're making me nervous about sharing the good stuff. Overenthusiastic mongers!

I'm still understanding the people here but subtlety and taking your time certainly seems to be key.

It took time and diligence. It seems Kiev is a flower that opens slowly. It took me about three weeks to put this together. If you're not coming for a significant period. Forget about it.

[Rugan]

Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?

Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady.

I'll be here for two months, maybe more if I can survive the weather. Although there's a plus side to that weather as the heating bill for a winter month is 4000 uah. Which is a months salary for your basic jobs. So I expect there to be even more interest in earning some extra cash from the girls in winter.

I'd be happy to chat more in private with you.

[Jonathan Pine]

I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. That worked out as a very sweet deal.

This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.

[Stevie69]

Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?

When I go, I go for up to 3 weeks, but I have never had the foresight to hire a sexy "assistant". I bet the "interviews" were interesting in themselves.

I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. ....

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[Member #4722]

Thanks for your contribution!

[Rugan]

I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. That worked out as a very sweet deal. (So far. I do agree with something I read somewhere that Kiev girls are only around until a better deal comes along. Often from an overpaying monger giving a months wages for a session).

I'd agree that Kiev isn't a good place to come on a budget for a short or even medium term stay. There are strata (s) in Kiev with very different economics. If you're an English speaker looking on the internet on relaxkiev to find girls you'll be assaulted with with fake profiles and girls who aren't attractive. You might find they give great service however, or not.

If you're happy to pay foreigner rates of $100-300 then you can have a good time I'm sure.

Looking at the economics: wages in Kiev vary between 4 k-20 k uah per month (127 eur-650 eur / mo). 4 k is your shop girl and 20 k is your lower management level.

I managed to shoulder surf my PA's facebook and see that see is charging the locals 350 uah for sex. Personally I think she is a solid 8, you could argue me down to a 7 but not below. I believe that was also an increase in her rates shortly after I started paying her. So your local's rate for a cute and diligent girl is less than 350 grivna.

What I'm paying her is an attractive rate by local standards of 8 k / mo for 8 h / day as a PA (250 euro / mo) and an optional additional 8 k for blowjobs. 400 uah (14 euros) per blowjob, and she's darn good at them. I've got quite good data on local pay rates. She's pretty, she could be smarter as a PA but the overlap between girls willing to give BJs for bonuses and the girls with high intelligence is small.

Before I came I saw a lot of what seemed like contradictory reports. You've definitely got the mongers inflating prices. Anything above about 1000 uah for sex is laughable - 1000 uah is a weeks wages for most girls. But what we are willing to pay defines the market. We only have ourselves to blame.

I've seen some people biting at people who say having game is key in Kiev. Saying this is a forum for pay 4 play. This is I think where people make the mistake. If you have enough about you to offer the local shop girl 1000 uah. Probably via suggesting a coffee first. You'll be on to a winner in most cases. I'm still struggling to see how the economics even fits together here. From my back of an envelope figures most girls can't pay rent, heating and eat. Nevermind buy clothes. Without a sponsor. The price of a 16 pack of toilet roll is a day's wages for a checkout girl.

If you're approaching Kiev from a "turn up and search on the internet" perspective. I would say you're fucked. You'll probably have a bad time unless budget / time is no issue. The internet doesn't seem to be a particularly good way to find girls here. If you think 200+ euros for the girls on Gai is a good deal you may disagree of course. But you'd find a waitress who was just as hot for 10% of the price.

If you have the looks and social skills to pick up your local waitress / checkout girl you can have a great time.

That will be my focus. Still p4 p most likely, because I like things simple. But avoiding the internet and going for in person random introductions.

I think we do have people on the forum here who put so much time into naysaying Kiev that it's obviously suspicious. But interestingly I do find myself agreeing that it probably isn't a great mongering destination unless you have one of: money / game / connections / time.

If anyone has local girls they would like to swap contacts for by PM that would be great. I'll keep them at local rates and I'll be here a couple of months and happy to swap back contacts at the end.

[LilJoey]

Gentlemen, (using the term loosely),

In the midst of all the nay-saying and yay-saying about the merits of Kiev mongering, which are all mere opinions, and not supported with facts / photos, it might be interesting for you to read about a dream I had about meeting this hot-body Ukrainian woman in Kiev. She remains the most sexually incredible woman you could ever be with. And I just thought it would be useful to illustrate the possibilities in Kiev with actual facts. You can draw your own conclusions and opinions.

I will not go into detail about many dream sessions, except to tell about how she is exceptionally good as a sexual partner. While fucking, she will very quickly reach an orgasm. Her orgasms are intense and overwhelm her body. She squirts when she orgasms, or rather she gushes a lot of cum. And she can keep going, and has multiple orgasms, one after the other, if you have the ability to keep fucking her.

And for those of you who know how to use your tongue with great skill to pleasure a woman, this girl's body rocks when she explodes from good oral, and it takes her to levels of orgasmic ecstasy hardly even imagined by a guy.

What can I say? This girl is truly unique among most women, in that she very quickly reaches orgasm, has multiple orgasms one after another with a little respite in between, and gushes like a faucet cumming all over you if she is fucking you cowgirl or reverse cowgirl, or cumming all over the bed, couch or floor, as the case may be, in other positions.

I'm going to post a link to her current mamba. Ru profile here, so that all you sexually starved guys can see how sexy she is.

Mamba. Ru / mb1752312478/ albums.

Her personality is very conservative and Ukrainian good old fashioned family oriented. She has a sensitive heart. She is really a good girl. She is not a wild girl, or a hardened cynical prostitute who goes to nightclubs, and knows the professional prostitute scene. She is somewhere between a novice, and a semi-pro. But she is a sexual Amazon. A real Ukrainian woman. She needs some economic help. So she has turned to the opportunities in mamba, to find a sugar daddy or rich boyfriend to help with her needs.

Don't write to her if you are an abusive asshole who likes to demean women, or if you are a sexual pervert who thinks of women as chattel. Only gentleman should write to her, considerate and generous men whose only desire in the bedroom is to give great pleasure to the woman they are with.

Only men who want to experience an encounter with a woman who will make them feel like a sexual god, because she will orgasm so much from you, that your head will spin. And you will know that you have never been with a woman who could make you feel so glorious like this before.

No, I say, there are still wonderful gems to be found in Kiev. I share with you, this one. (The others I keep to myself to enjoy. You must prepare and put in the necessary preparation time and effort, if you want to achieve success in a Kiev visit.).

Enjoy.

LJ.

[Stevie69]

Yes, that is called regular dating.

However, I just read a new definition of sexual assault, I think in Canada, whereby it is considered to be sexual assault if the woman is deceived into having sex with a man. Imagine if the law is applied to its fullest extent. If you promise to marry her, tell her you live her, or simply that you are the quarterback of the New England patriots, and she has sex with you because of that, then technically, it is sexual assault. That is why Eastern Europe is still the best; if a girl has sex with you told her that you are an astronaut, the last man who walked in the moon, then it is her problem.

When dealing with professionals or semi-pros, all you have to do is maintain control, not overpay, and use your brain.

I'd like to slightly edit this: "Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex and don't pay however they promise to with all kind of BS-stories and the girl has a normal trust in people so she gives the benefit of the doubt by giving the sex but later they run away, aka scammers / aferists / cheaters".

To me it wouldn't sound as complaining in that case, but as a warning indeed.

[Stevie69]

The version I have seen is similar but not quite like that. A guy will rush past you and drop a think wad of cash. They count on your good will and honesty and expect that you will pick it up, walk quickly after him, and warn return it he dropped a wad of cash. He will then thank you and then point out that there weer TWO wads of cash, or that some of it is missing. Then it can take many forms: searching your belongings, calling upon "witnesses" who will swear you picked up two wads of cash, calling a "policeman" who is conveniently standing near-by, or other variations. It happens to me at least once per week. I just keep walking, and smile at the guy as he turns around after a few steps when he "realizes" that he dropped his money. I wish I had the courage to "accidentally" kick the wad of cash into traffic or into a crowd.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g...ine:Scams.html

[BlissDps]

Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.

I'd like to slightly edit this: "Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex and don't pay however they promise to with all kind of BS-stories and the girl has a normal trust in people so she gives the benefit of the doubt by giving the sex but later they run away, aka scammers / aferists / cheaters".

To me it wouldn't sound as complaining in that case, but as a warning indeed.

[Jojosun]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?

Read all about it aucasus / topics / how-does-this-scam-play-out Lonely Planet.

Never seen it myself.

[BlissDps]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g...ine:Scams.html