Kyiv

[Sorbonne]

Is it better than Mandarin?

Mandarin is closed. Scarlet indeed took place of Mandarin, with similar but more modern acts.

To answer your question, yes, I do think Scarlet is better. Mandarin was actually somewhat outdated stylistically...Call it Soviet.

I may be partial to Scarlet, because I took a girl there to Turkey.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

Anyone who have taken girls home from Dolls Club or Harem?

I have visited the clubs many times. I like it. Harem is nice.

I know it is possible to take girls home from this club but I never tried because of the 300 $ price.

Scarlet Club.

[Jekalat]

Hi all,

Rio club. I think the best.

http://rioclub.kiev.ua/en/

Scarlette. Second most interesting club.

http://scarlette.kiev.ua/en/

All these clubs have more than 100 dancers.

Mandarin Club is closed now.

In other clubs in Kyiv, a maximum of 15-20 girls. Bad choice.

Now I'm in Kyiv, if you have questions, ask. I'm going to be in Rio.

[PhotoSlider]

Scarlet Club.

Is it better than Mandarin?

[Sorbonne]

What is a better option for a short term visitor?

Scarlet Club.

[PhotoSlider]

What is a better option for a short term visitor?

Rio can be boring sometimes: sitting there one hour after another, watching them ladies go through their routine. Then noticing Albina, realizing that in June 2014 she was so marvelous in bed, the best of 6 ladies in 36 hours from landing at Borispyl until departure to Amsterdam. And now she gained few pounds, and there's no spark in her eyes tonight. For some reasons asking her: "Do you remember? And she honestly says: "Nope" - not even a hint of an emotion. And I respect her honesty.

Then the next night around 2-3 am, saying goodbye to redhead freelancer Maya at my apartment, with brut champagne inspiring for more adventures, saying to Maya: "I'll go for a walk. " and she says: "Not a good idea. ", after which I am even more motivated. Going on foot around the corner to Rio, and the second pick looks straight eye-to-eye, there's chemistry, and 20 minutes after I see her wide smile in my kitchen, making acquaintance.

And then a year later we are still friends, because she has such a great personality, and is so much fun! Her stage name was Valentina, she quit Rio in 2015-2016.

Rio is not bad at all, but can get expensive. To be continued.

[Stevie69]

Two comments. First, are you sure that when you said "gift" they did not just assume cold hard cash? Even if agreed-upon after extensive negotiations, semi-pros tend to refer to the money as a "gift". That, way, they avoid thinking of themselves as prostitutes. Second, and someone else already mentioned this, you definitely went overboard on your own suggestions for a reasonable price.

.........So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly...............mes as much as the gift was worth.

[John]

Going rate is 1800 for decently looking girls.

So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly.

They were plying a big game about how the 'minimum price' at the places they would take me to was 100 $. I noticed one of the recent posts said the price in the apartments is 75 $.

What was interesting to me was the taxi driver after a bit of chat to show I had some knowledge of local prices is that he said "I know places with different prices". And gave me the option to say if I wanted expensive girls or cheaper girls.

He took me first to a place where he said the price was 3000 (uah) for an hour. There were four girls, all a similar level. 6-8. Nothing especially hot, or less than hot either. I took one girl there who was a student from another town, new to Kiev. She said she was 19 - so I'd guess a fresher.

Service was pretty in line with my experience in Kiev so far. She knew how to suck a cock and she wasn't in any hurry to finish up oral and move on to sex like the girls I've experienced in other countries. Is it normal in Ukraine for the girls to just happily suck away until told otherwise? That's my experience so far and I must say I like it.

The rate for an uncovered BJ was negotiated in the room and she pulled a bit of a fast one on me. Before my driver left she said 3000 no condom. But once I was in the room it was now 1500 extra for BBBJ. I told her was too much and I would leave, and she went out to tell the host I'd cancelled. But I caved and said OK.

So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

[Member #4722]

Great advice. Met a guy on my last trip it was his first visit to Ukraine. He was looking for love on real dating sites and brought this girl her requested $1000 coach bag on thier first and only date and he didn't get any more than a kiss.

That being said I met a girl that rocked my world and we have been messaging pretty regularly. She hasn't asked me for anything so I think I'm going to send her an amazon uk gift card for her bday as a surprise and to hopefully cement my position when I come to Kiev next time.

Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you.

.

[Jonathan Pine]

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you.

[PhotoSlider]

...So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?...

You are contradicting your own prior statement of "Anything over 1000 UAH is laughable". Either you were too horny (and she played well enough with your other head to extort this much), or too drunk, or you made up this story to see how Forum would react.

I myself have been in similar circumstances before departure to the airport, when after already having two different ones that day, I insisted on absolutely definitely having yet another right this very moment, just because. Didn't have enough time to think it through, and paid rather dearly. As it is random stochastic process, - they may not be the most beautiful and accommodating, but their handlers and dispatchers are great psychologists.

[Rugan]

So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly.

They were plying a big game about how the 'minimum price' at the places they would take me to was 100 $. I noticed one of the recent posts said the price in the apartments is 75 $.

What was interesting to me was the taxi driver after a bit of chat to show I had some knowledge of local prices is that he said "I know places with different prices". And gave me the option to say if I wanted expensive girls or cheaper girls.

He took me first to a place where he said the price was 3000 (uah) for an hour. There were four girls, all a similar level. 6-8. Nothing especially hot, or less than hot either. I took one girl there who was a student from another town, new to Kiev. She said she was 19 - so I'd guess a fresher.

Service was pretty in line with my experience in Kiev so far. She knew how to suck a cock and she wasn't in any hurry to finish up oral and move on to sex like the girls I've experienced in other countries. Is it normal in Ukraine for the girls to just happily suck away until told otherwise? That's my experience so far and I must say I like it.

The rate for an uncovered BJ was negotiated in the room and she pulled a bit of a fast one on me. Before my driver left she said 3000 no condom. But once I was in the room it was now 1500 extra for BBBJ. I told her was too much and I would leave, and she went out to tell the host I'd cancelled. But I caved and said OK.

So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

[Rugan]

Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?

Heh, no, I came with a bunch of vouchers for pedicures. Did the interviews in a cafe just next to my place. I was advised by mr HR girl that it was a good idea to do the interviews somewhere public, or the girls would get uncomfortable about turning up for the interview. I was planning to offer the girls the vouchers to come back to mine and demonstrate their skills. I think it's probably going a bit far though. The mindset the girls were in was interview mode, bit hard to switch over to cock sucking mode from that. I was giving them tests of their research skills. One girl was up for it but she wasn't someone I would hire, or particularly fuck.

[PhotoSlider]

Sometimes after the initial encounter ladies decide to stay overnight on their own accord, and not because of my hot looks, or for some other altruistic reasons. This doesn't happen too frequently, yet it did. More so in Kiev and Rio-de-Janeiro (the real one, not the strip club on Khmelnitskogo), also in few Latin American localities.

Individual undertakers have more freedom to do so, rather than salon employees. Why do they stay? -- For more variety in life and good fun, of course! For better accommodations, food and drinks, romance, champagne in jacuzzi, certain entertainment, intelligent conversation (with those capable of it), and especially for us gentlemen treating them ladies as human beings, not as commodities.

In Brazil, for example, it was as simple as desire of a girl to stay in a nice place instead of taking a long way back to favela the Rocinha. Same happened in Rio Club Kiev, instead of the shared room in the dorm, mademoiselle decided to relax right here and now, sleep in, and for the next 10 days refused to go back to work altogether. Management called her repeatedly, perhaps advertising availability of one of ISG members reading this now (yes, some of you are my "tunnel brothers") and she replied in a whimsical tone: "I don't want too. I'm with my friend".

This is not to dismiss the joys of finding a rare diamond in the rough for just one or two hours by pure luck, or by persistence in trial and error process. Make no mistake, I did have my share or misfortunes, when girl was not smart, not polite or just plain lazy. On 2-3 occasions I kicked the less than qualified ones directly from the bed and out the door, - certainly allowing to put their clothes on. Now you decide if the above justifies a trip to Kiev.

[Tomek123]

Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady..

Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?