Kyiv

[Muddy7]

Best girl I met at RIO, Rose was awesome, bare back blowjob, CIM, met her 3 years ago, every time I visit Kiev I call her and see her, save money and time, don't have to spend time and visit Rio, pretty face 8, and body 8, she's worth it because of her looks and super service, gave me her number the 2nd time I took her home from RIO, she's right, "why pay commission to the fucking club if you don't have to", since I have seen her too many times I don't mind sharing with you guys.

I saw her too about 4 years ago, she's cool, didn't know she sees guys outside of the club.

[PhotoSlider]

The open secret is: Ukrainian men do not accept sex with a condom. You can ask all women. No matter if the sex is private or for money.

Sex is treated like all other things in Ukraine as well. People do not think about what can be in one or ten years. No money for rent and food. But the latest iPhone in the bag.

With your ideas you think like a man from the west. With house. Money in the bank. Safe job. Not like a person living in ukraine.

You probably are right about me. However, out of more than at least a 100 women that I had in Ukraine, only one, more than 15 years ago, went for unprotected sex, and I was stupid enough to proceed. Another one few months ago suggested BBFS in a very persistent manner, and I politely got rid of her. The other 98+ wanted protected without any discussion. Maybe that's the level of my relationships with them, and I am OK with not going any further. Maybe it is the level of girls that I engage.

There was one 18 years old beauty over 5 years ago, that I ran out of condoms with. As it turned out later in our email exchange prior to Viber era, she was actually counting them, and asked:

- Why there was only 11? The pack should have 12.

She took me by the hand, led to the nearby pharmacy, and explained which brand she prefers. Something like "Romantic strawberry".

I do not feel less desirable for not going bare back. My Ukrainian friends go protected within their harem. Again, maybe they are are more educated.

Important aspect here. Girls do want to get pregnant with the right guy. That's their ticket to insured sponsorship. It is an interesting game of them balancing on the wire, tempting, luring in, making evasive maneuvers, and going for continuous seduction again and again. One trick is to pull the condom off of you in the process. And many more are invented over the centuries.

AFAIK, the law in Ukraine says that for the first child the court may force the female partner to have her child DNA tested per male's partner request. The second child she may get from anybody, and Ukrainian law prevents the father from legally requesting the DNA test. It could be anybody's kid, and husband would pay for support.

Dedicated sponsors do go bareback, and one of the girls complained to me that before leaving her alone in Kiev for a week, her sponsor gave her a stack of condoms, caring about himself. She felt insulted. I felt he was stupid. Because she can buy them anywhere, and with his money. She didn't stay faithful to that jerk. I used my own. Then we went for a night on the town. She was driving his SUV. My hand was on her nylon pantyhose thigh.

[Misterxxx]

Not sure what is the correlation between iPhones, regular visits to gym and infection rate.

There is however direct and significant risk increase from having unprotected sex, especially downstream from boys to girls.

Who would have unprotected sex? The following categories come to mind:

1. ...

The open secret is: Ukrainian men do not accept sex with a condom. You can ask all women. No matter if the sex is private or for money.

Sex is treated like all other things in Ukraine as well. People do not think about what can be in one or ten years. No money for rent and food. But the latest iPhone in the bag.

With your ideas you think like a man from the west. With house. Money in the bank. Safe job. Not like a person living in ukraine.

[PhotoSlider]

My guess is that infection rates are correlated with poverty. And the war displaces very poor populations to new areas.

However, educated girls that have sex for iPhones, also are health conscious and go to the gym regularly. Thus lower risk.

Not sure what is the correlation between iPhones, regular visits to gym and infection rate.

There is however direct and significant risk increase from having unprotected sex, especially downstream from boys to girls.

Who would have unprotected sex? The following categories come to mind:

1. Desperate person that needs money badly. Basically the same as selling their kidney for cash.

2. Uneducated person. Doesn't matter what model of smartphone he or she has, how well she dresses, and how frequently visits the gym. HIV doesn't care. Hepatitis eventually is as deadly.

3. Already infected person.

4. A couple in a strictly monogamous relationship.

1st and 2nd category, and subsequently the 3rd, are more widespread in the Eastern Ukraine affected by war.

Ensuring category 4 is almost impossible in Kiev. Promise means nothing. One partner may be strict, and the other one free as a bird. I, honestly, do not care with my GFs, because the chance of them staying faithful is much less than 1%. My favorite one said literally:

- I want 3 husbands. One for money, one to have kids with, and you.

- What is my role?

- You are my joy and delight.

Testing yourself and GF on a monthly basis helps but doesn't guarantee. GIA / KEC tests once in 3-6 months, sometimes even less frequently, and tells fairy tales how it is more than enough.

Western society rejects Ukrainian life style for this very reason. Need for stability. It is extremely easy for anybody in Kiev to cheat on anybody, level of tolerance is high in many ways. As a result the existing and new infections rate are among highest in the world.

My largest concern is category 3. Person already knows that he or she is infected, and doesn't care anymore. And of course there are so many explanations how bare back is much more pleasant and risk is non-existent. Tell it to half a million HIV-positive Ukrainians and a dozen dying from it daily.

We all are going to end up 3 feet under or deeper. It is about probability. Oral versus Vaginal versus Anal versus no sex at all.

Gentlemen, stay safe, and enjoy Ukrainian beauties!

[Misterxxx]

You are right:

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...in-europe.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0115151605.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Ukraine

My guess is that infection rates are correlated with poverty. And the war displaces very poor populations to new areas.

However, educated girls that have sex for iPhones, also are health conscious and go to the gym regularly. Thus lower risk.

Bareback is rather normal. For the most working girls in Kyiv. Especially for girl with iphones and cool photos in the gym.

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[Bimbo Boy]

Just talked to a friend of mine over lunch concerning my trips To Kiev.

Je mentioned to me that the STD rate is incredibly high apparently. I don't find resources confirming this though.

What is your take? Especially enjoying some BBBJ.

You are right:

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...in-europe.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0115151605.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Ukraine

My guess is that infection rates are correlated with poverty. And the war displaces very poor populations to new areas.

However, educated girls that have sex for iPhones, also are health conscious and go to the gym regularly. Thus lower risk.

[Bimbo Boy]

Hey,

I know that girl! When I met her, she called herself Vicki. Great oral skills, but I think she is used to quick performers, and started developing an attitude after I passed the 15 minute mark without signs of finishing. She claimed that she did not like oral sex (on her). She was not fat, but she was solid. I prefer them a little slimmer. Repeat? Maybe. I will see next time.

Hello Stevie,

Yes you are right. She is Vicky. And yes she is a little fatter than in her pictures, but still good looking, I would not call her solid.

My experiences were better than yours, she performed very well all the time with no complaints. Yes, she has great oral skills.

I understand that she might be jaded from some of her rough local clients, but with me she was sweet and kind.

She even wanted to spend more time with me outside of sex, which I was not interested in, as I have other options.

[Riina]

I travel all over the world and guys who pay more than market rate always seem to justify it the same way. It's my money I'll do what I want and they always subtly imply that it's too bad you can't keep up. All markets have expected norms, all of them, I don't care if it's for sweet crude oil or sweet tasty pussy, all markets have market rates. If you're paying more than market rate then you're being played. When I talk to guys who do it they always seem to be the simps that are trying to purchase affection more than sex. Not saying you are but just like you say "your choice if you want to go that route" I think it's yours to go your way. Why in the hell would you ever pay two hundred bucks for a pair of shoes you can buy for 80. I even know guys who insist on paying the chicks more than they charge.

As to the guys complaining, what he pays doesn't change what you pay, the chicks know the guys that do this are really buying financial domination and it won't effect your price so stop complaining about it.

Mis dos centavos.

A2.

Admin2 posted a report today on the USASG that I feel is relevant to the recent discussion.

[InDonetsk19]

No rocket science needed. You can get std's just by getting BJ's. Think of it.

[Stevie69]

I don't see the point of me lying about my age or ethnicity or the amount of cash I pay here on this forum, so please educate me if you have any ideas.

And also congratulations if you have managed to have more fun in Kiev with less amount of cash. You have to understand that people differ in their experiences, lifestyles, etc. In the Kiev mongering scene, and some just want to pay more to their favourite ladies. I personally don't feel paying a 9/10 5000 usd is a waste of money. Of course many would argue that there are no 9's and 10's in Kiev mongering scene, that sort of cliche. And again, "Beauty is in the eyes of beholder", people do have different tastes.

Ummmmmm IMHO average wages are not even remotely relevant to the amount of cash people willing to pay for sex, especially in the famous international sex tourist spots like Kiev.

It may not be relevant to how much people are willing to pay, but it is definitely relevant to how much girls are willing to accept. And you are wasting money. With a little charisma, you could get many more girls, or without offering so much money, you might find a girls who actually likes you, not only your money. AS you mentioned before, this girl treats you like a total loser. It is clear that she has no respect for you at all.

[Stevie69]

Bareback everything except anal.

Very sweet. She'll do everything for you even cooking, washing dishes and errands.

If you take her out to restaurants and cinemas, and you have a little conversation, then she is in heaven.

She is OK with threesomes and other adventures.

Hey,

I know that girl! When I met her, she called herself Vicki. Great oral skills, but I think she is used to quick performers, and started developing an attitude after I passed the 15 minute mark without signs of finishing. She claimed that she did not like oral sex (on her). She was not fat, but she was solid. I prefer them a little slimmer. Repeat? Maybe. I will see next time.

[Stevie69]

5000 usd a month is my offer. I don't stay in Kiev all the time though. Sometimes I stay for two weeks, sometimes three, each month. This time I decide to stay a bit longer, around one month.

I prefer a monogamous relationship. She told me she doesn't have any boyfriend, which is true according to my intel. The reasons why I prefer monogamy are twofolds. First of all, it makes both of us more emotionally devoted to the relationship. Sex is not the only thing I need in Kiev. Second is about safety concerns. Since we do barebacks a lot, monogamy keeps the risk of getting STDs to a low level.

I will try not to get too insulting, and do it politely, but someone should take you aside and slap some sense into you. The fact that you are only having sex with here does not mean that she is only having sex with you. Maybe she is having "monogamous sex" without protection, by your definition, with 20 other guys. Even if she is having sex only with you while you are there, or rather, from what I can tell, she is not having sex only with you while you are there, she is probably having sex with other men when you are not there.

Again, $5000 USD is enough to cover 6 months of a regular salary.

[Riina]

Dnipro hotel, Premier Palace hotel, Hotel Ukraine (at least use to), there are several more. But, the first two options are really expensive and the girls won't always look the part. But, it won't be as bad as the strip clubs at arena city bad. Which is really terrifying how ugly the girls at a strip club are. Something changed. You could find several gems at various strip clubs. Now? You are lucky to even find one in one strip club at most places. Maybe it was just the time (close to summer)? But I won't be visiting Kiev again due to how ugly the women have become. And the scams are just too much. Not even from the strip clubs, but from the people in general. Total scammers.

I'll say it again, the scene has moved behind closed doors. The quality girls will not compromise their privacy. Only the bottom of the barrel will work in an environment where a staff knows they are prostitutes. That open level of commercial sex found in clubs is junk. Gems can be found through the agencies, but it's a grind. Most tourists can't make it work because of the lack of time.

I understand the frustration with Kiev as a scam city. The girls are like addicts, they size you up as to what they can take from you. You have to reciprocate the behavior. I like a good slam bam thank you mam, but I also like girls hanging out with me. It's an extension of normal mongering. The chance of fucking them bareback becomes exponential. I enjoy cumming on their faces in the morning before they wake.

Be a sneaky fucker and you will not be the member on the forum calling out Ukrainians as scum.

[Tomster99]

Just talked to a friend of mine over lunch concerning my trips To Kiev.

Je mentioned to me that the STD rate is incredibly high apparently. I don't find resources confirming this though.

What is your take? Especially enjoying some BBBJ.

[PhotoSlider]

Bakkara as you mentioned. Hotel Dnipro does. According to reviews on trip advisor hotel Rus, hotel salute and premier palace do as well. I do not know if those are 100% current or not. I know hotel Lybid used to but they got raided, shut down and after reopening the strip club was closed.

There were complaints about extorting charges for girls drinks from unsuspecting customers at Premier Palace Night Club.