Kyiv

[Misterxxx]

Hi all,

Going Kiev tommorow and need some advise as follows if anyone can help.

1. is it common to ask girls for ID, I want to make sure they are over 18, also is the ID in english?

2. what bars are best to pick up semi pro's? Daytime and nighttime spots would be great.

I have been on mamba and found a few girls but it seems after a week or two they are gone both on mobile and mamba.

Thank.

Deepak.

1. ID? NO!! Most girls do not come from Kiev. They are originally from small towns. There they are also registered. Re-applying for a lost ID in Ukraine is very complicated. That's why most girls will not have IDs in their pockets. Even in hotels, girls are not asked for an ID.

I also had meetings with girls under 18. But I did not realize it in that moment. Student cards are also available for girls unter 18. Or they come with a 18+ student card of the friend/sister. And on Mamba you can not trust the age anyway. Some girls are younger than 18. But most girls are much older than written in profile. As a rule, add 4 to 7 years to the Mamba age. Then you will not be disappointed.

2. The most important locations are listed here in the forum. Please read back 10 pages. But I think it only takes three or four pages to find the most important locations for a newbie.

3. Girls come and go. It is urgently needed money (for rent or a new phone). After that, the emergency is gone. The girls delete the profile. Or just do not go to the Mamba site anymore. Sometimes they are also fake profiles of agencies. Or there are complaints. Then Mamba deletes the profiles.

[DeepakPateluk]

Hi all,

Going Kiev tommorow and need some advise as follows if anyone can help.

1. is it common to ask girls for ID, I want to make sure they are over 18, also is the ID in english?

2. what bars are best to pick up semi pro's? Daytime and nighttime spots would be great.

I have been on mamba and found a few girls but it seems after a week or two they are gone both on mobile and mamba.

Thank.

Deepak.

[PassinThrough]

Thanks for the advice I got here on the forum and from Dave. I recently spent two nights in Kiev, here is what I did. The first night I was pretty wiped so I just ordered a massage to my AirBnB. The girl that came was cute and pretty much matched the pictures on the site. She started by stripping naked and giving me a nice body to body rub down. Touching was certainly allowed and she seems to enjoy my fingers deep inside her. The only thing I didn't try was putting a finger up her bum, not sure if that would have been OK or not. She got pretty wet with my thumb deep inside her. She finished with a hand job and then got cleaned up and left. Nothing too exciting.

The next night a friend an I decided to check out the apartments. We went to 93 K after getting all the detains from Dave. There were 3 girls and none very attractive so we left and said we would be back later when they said there would be 8 girls. I decided to try to find other apartments and was pretty successful. Here is how you can fine apartments easily:

Go to Kievlady.com.

Filter by the metro stop closest to you.

Contact some of the girls by viber and ask if it is an apartment and how many girls are there.

Most seem to be apartments and they will give you the address, you can also ask for photos of the girls which they are willing to send (faces blanked out).

Using this method we found three other apartments close by and checked them out, ending up getting two girls from one apartment.

Service was OK, mine seemed to be new and shy which my friends was an old pro. Upsell on everything which is to be expected.

It was a pretty tame trip and not as exciting as I had hoped. There is still a lot of fun to be had in Kiev but it takes longer to find it and can be hit and miss. I will say I miss the old River Palace, but it is gone and nothing seems to have replaced it well.

Happy Hunting.

PIT.

[PhotoSlider]

Firstly, I will be leaving Dec. 15th, so that will be a 9 wk stay

Some lucky people have a life!

Most of the girls I have experienced so far have had faces ranging from 5-7. Bodies began at range 7/8, and lately as low as 4/5 for a 1200 girl.

Looking back at my September / October 2018 personal record-setting visit, when I had 50 girls in 5 weeks, I see that there was a higher percentage of 7's, with occasional 5 here and there when I was drunk, requested an hourly prostitute strictly for massage, and then fucked her anyway.

Photo's contact provided a girl with an 8 face, body 8.

After some thought I realized that "Photo" means me, PhotoSlider, not a photo of some girl. And the girl must have been gorgeous Mika.

Mika has been had by myself, and two other members of the Forum (Vitrea and David). I gave her 8 face, 9 body, and 10 performance. Will not argue with anybody, as I keep these ratings for myself, in case the girl is offered to me again, and I have no recollection after so many others.

The crazy thing about experience is that it always offers you something, if you are open to growth.

I began with strict criteria: average / ugly face ok, body must be low bodyfat, big boobs not important, prefer lighter skin over dark.

IMHO it is a mistake to tell the dispatcher that average / ugly face is ok. Hopefully you didn't, and used it more as a criteria during casting at the apartment, or when the girl arrived to your door. That's the way I try to operate. I never said to dispatchers that mediocre face is OK, likewise I didn't demand beautiful faces, or fit bodies. Actually towards the end of my last stay I asked specifically for a full-bodied woman. She was shy, lacked self-confidence in the beginning, but then progressed to very passionate and satisfying performance in bed.

My criteria is: good manners, classy, good taste in hair, cloths, lingerie, clean skin. 18-22, no children, no smoking. I do not care about height. I do look at BMI and age. Viber photos give some idea, even when they are photoshopped. Curbside casting works better for quick assessment. I look at the attitude and how tired the girls appear.

One more question: what is your rejection percentage across few weeks?

After about 5/6 girls, I began experiencing bigger girls and liking the different experience. Often larger girls come with prettier faces, and an eager to please attitude (more services available).

So I may go through moments of feeling 'WTF! This is another bait and switch. But the girl that arrives surprises me with something the skinny girls were not giving me, so when the girl leaves, I rarely feel cheated.

Nothing wrong with your approach.

Considering this is the first visit to Kiev, I would say there's huge progress. The fact that it took you 3 weeks to ramp up the primary activity says a lot about your sincerity. I started 15 years ago with short 2-3-5 days visits, had variability in success, and gradually increased my length of stay.

In 2008 had one particular girl 8 times. Elina moved to Kiev from Simpheropol. On her last arrival I extended once, and then told her:

- I am out of money!

And she exclaimed:

- Why didn't you tell me beforehand? I would have taken my own with. I like being with you sooo much!

And then told the story how one of the girls from her base went MIA, - Missing in Action. She disappeared with the client without notifying mamasan, incommunicado for over 24 hours, and then quit. That was a long time ago. Don't think management allows such freedoms these days.

[David42]

Very welcome. I do not help everybody. You showed stamina, persistence in the face of difficulties, and ability to succeed.

Staying in Kiev long term (6 weeks) is your major advantage.

Subjectively speaking, what is your rating distribution? Do you score mostly 6-7? Are there occasional 8's and 9's? Do you feel mostly cheated out and scammed or satisfied with more than half of your girls? I am simply curious.

Firstly, I will be leaving Dec. 15th, so that will be a 9 wk stay.

Cost breakdown-.

Roughly 1200 accommodation, 2000 girls, 1200 all other costs. I will probably get through at least 30 girls, not including repeats (I started from week 3).

Note- I came here for an opposite / different experience to what I experienced in the Dominican Republic where I spent about 6 mnths overall.

I didn't want to talk about myself too much, wanting to just spread info about the girls, but ultimately my actions in this environment always reveal who / what I am.

I was a good-looking guy with an average / chubby, 5 ft 8 in body, in my younger years (I did a decade and half of clubbing, so I prioritise body over face.

Most of the girls I have experienced so far have had faces ranging from 5-7. Bodies began at range 7/8, and lately as low as 4/5 for a 1200 girl.

Photo's contact provided a girl with an 8 face, body 8.

The crazy thing about experience is that it always offers you something, if you are open to growth.

I began with strict criteria: average / ugly face ok, body must be low bodyfat, big boobs not important, prefer lighter skin over dark.

After about 5/6 girls, I began experiencing bigger girls and liking the different experience. Often larger girls come with prettier faces, and an eager to please attitude (more services available).

So I may go through moments of feeling 'WTF! This is another bait and switch. But the girl that arrives surprises me with something the skinny girls were not giving me, so when the girl leaves, I rarely feel cheated.

[David42]

Nonsense. That place will crack down super fast on any suggestion by a girl. Just view there FB page and you'll quickly see it's all kids. Like Rog says, it's good eye candy.

I'm new to the Ukraine, and I have been to this bar only once.

Semi-pros to me is a grey area (ATM to me this means quick sex, money involved). I guess at my age (49), when I'm with a young girl, I accept that there's always payment in some form.

Maybe I shouldn't have used the term semi-pros.

Those who have been there many times will have a better understanding.

If Rog and yourself disagree, then your'e probably right.

[PhotoSlider]

P.S. Many thanks to PhotoSlider for his advice and patience.

Very welcome. I do not help everybody. You showed stamina, persistence in the face of difficulties, and ability to succeed.

Staying in Kiev long term (6 weeks) is your major advantage.

Subjectively speaking, what is your rating distribution? Do you score mostly 6-7? Are there occasional 8's and 9's? Do you feel mostly cheated out and scammed or satisfied with more than half of your girls? I am simply curious.

[Riina]

Good mix of normal, semi-pros.

Nonsense. That place will crack down super fast on any suggestion by a girl. Just view there FB page and you'll quickly see it's all kids. Like Rog says, it's good eye candy.

[David42]

APPS.

Badoo- least successful, but the best at extracting my money.

Tinder- average.

Mamba- most success with contacts, although my bank saw Mamba ru as dodgy, so beware.

Websites..

RelaxKiev- not a bad website to begin with, as its easier to interact with, got some girls from here too.

Ukrgo- interesting website as its updated by the second!! Lots of trial and error is required here, but it yielded plenty of contacts.

General. Until experienced with online mongering, never expect the girl in the picture (after the first 5/6 disappointments I don't operate that way anymore). That picture is used as a hook to get you to connect and that's ok, it leads to another contact / girl / agent.

Through the emotional process of the hits and misses, I have realised that you get gems throughout the price spectrum, from 1200 to 3000. Lower priced girls can be humble and more enthusiastic in bed, but communication, hygiene, time-keeping is often worse.

P.S. Many thanks to PhotoSlider for his advice and patience.

[David42]

1200 Price level.

Checked it out today.

At that price level I wasnt expecting a lot.

10 pm Wednesday. 3 girls working.

Brunette, blond, redhead. All big busted, average height, and a bit overweight. Age range 22-28.

I took the brunette Adelina, who claimed I was her first punt!! (because its hard to tell, I don't take that comment too seriously).

Sex was great as she was a bit of a tiger in bed. Boobs bit saggy, body big and chunky but not that flabby.

I think 1200 was good value.

Door no3 (through archway left of Lviv Croissants, then left again), apartment 33 Floor 4.

If your are into big busted, chunky women, then the price is a bargain.

PM me for phone number.

[Member #4722]

Nr KLOVSKA metro. Walking distance from my apartment.

Went 1130 pm. 75% full, 190 uah cheapest ticket, includes one drink.

Music. Loud electronic / dance Russian half of the time, good English stuff the other half.

Lots of dancing!

Girls. Good mix of normal, semi-pros.

Good enough ratio.

Not a bad place, as long as your not there only for the music.

I left at 1 am, and it was getting busier.

I went there on a Wednesday night around 1 am the place was empty the bouncer said it's normally more crowded I had one drink and left. Some good eye candy from the very hot female bartenders though!

[Kater100]

Nr KLOVSKA metro. Walking distance from my apartment.

Went 1130 pm. 75% full, 190 uah cheapest ticket, includes one drink.

Music. Loud electronic / dance Russian half of the time, good English stuff the other half.

Lots of dancing!

Girls. Good mix of normal, semi-pros.

Good enough ratio.

Not a bad place, as long as your not there only for the music.

I left at 1 am, and it was getting busier.

Interesting. Did not even know that there are semi pros. I had always thought about going there. But I didn't know if I would find WG there.

If this is true I will go there next time.

Thanks for the tip. Highly appreciated.

[Riina]

Some of the fine scotch I tasted last week in Ukraine.

Beauty is subjective, but I don't feel these girls meet the standard of beauty expected in Ukraine. More like cheap beer.

[Arkiloko]

Maidan area.

Sofiv'ska St 4-.

Haven't been there yet, but had an outcall from there, 1700+100 taxi. So maybe a 1500 level place. Pm me for a number.

KLOVSKA.

Mechnycova St, 7 A. 9 be Floor 2, Apartment 9. 1500 place.

Mechnycova St, 10/2. Entrance 2, 4th floor apartment 33.1200 place. I have a number, haven't checked it out yet.

PERCHERKSY.

Henerala Almazova St 14 1600 place. I have a number, haven't been there yet.

Thanks David, I like apartments!!

When I'll be back in Kiev I'll write you. Maybe I can try some to complete our reviews))).

[SkinnyMan]

Forgot to add pics. Some of the fine scotch I tasted last week in Ukraine. Promised all no face / identity will be shared.

OMG, SuperLove, better stick to the MILF's who prepare your tandori tikky massala, because you have no taste.

Those women are too ugly, even for only talking with.

And you even graded one of those women a 10. LOL.

These women range from 3 up to 4.